School Rejects Lesbian Couple's Daughter

reply to post by Christian Voice


I don't think this thread is the place to argue the theology of homosexuality

I found this article which clarified the matter for me:

Though the school's handbook and website say that the school is non-discriminatory as to race, color, religion and national or ethnic origin, it doesn't stipulate that they won't discriminate based on the sexual orientation of a child's parents.

And the bit that had really confused me, since the Episcopal Church does accept homosexuality, was clarified by this:

Even though the sign at the church says Episcopal, they said they have parted with that church and are now Anglican. The Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth confirmed this in a press release Saturday afternoon, stating the church has been deposed by the Episocpal church. The diocese says they have non-discrimination admission policies at all their schools.

So, I think the school is within its rights to refuse enrollment (though it would have been a whole lot better if the admissions office had noticed that the girl had two mothers listed rather than her having to try and find another school at this late date).

I do think it's rather odd to not discriminate based on religion, but discriminate based on marital status of the parents.

Seems these lesbians were out to cause trouble.

fair play to the school to sticking to their values and not bowing to some ridiculous politically correct agenda.

I have nothing against lesbians, but two lesbians aren't normal parents. If they wish to make a choice to love another woman then fine, but they should accept the fact that it isn't normal for two women to be parents. Parents = mother + father.

reply to post by Violater1


Sadly I agree with you. This whole thing reminds me of the Muslim madarsa found in many parts of tribal areas of Pakistan which I think follow same kind of thing.





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Originally posted by yellowcard
I am all for gay rights, but this is a private school and they can do whatever the hell they want...and I doubt them being a lesbian couple was a huge factor, but saying it was makes for an easy lawsuit and free publicity.

How do gays and minorities ever hope to get over discrimination when some of them keep raising stupid lawsuits that perpetuate people's fears of hiring or admitting them?

[edit on 21-8-2010 by yellowcard]

Thats all well and good but the school did make the point that the child was not welcome due to the sexual orientation of the parents. They even went as far to say that parents in de facto relationships were not welcome at the school.

Now, if thats not religious based discrimination...

reply to post by Violater1

private Episcopal school

Good. Im glad some places in this country still have the balls to stick up for what THEY believe in.

You can be gay if you want to be, but don't get pissed off at a PRIVATE ORGANIZATION if they disagree with you.

It's total hypocrisy.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

So in who's name do these administrators speak?

Their own. They're a private business.

Why are you for gay rights only? Why can't other people have rights, as you see them, in this country too?

reply to post by Mike_A


Try being a mason and being atheist or believing in more than one God. You will not be allowed into that organization either. Try being a boy and being a girl scout or a girl and being a boy scout. Some times it is nice to allow people to have their space with those like themselves.

The religious should be allowed to have their own places as well. Often times these Christian schools are also churches. They do, at least the ones I know of, have service that the children attend once a week. Parents choose to send and pay to send their kids to this form of school. They pay this as well as tax for schools they do not send their kids to. Why? Because we (yes I send my child to such a school) feel that the public schools are full of garbage that we do not wish to have our children around. In order to have your children in such a school we must agree with the doctrine of the church.

We want our schools to be left in peace. If you and those around you do not agree with the doctrine, you do not have to join. It is after all strictly voluntary. Race has nothing to do with this; this is only about religious beliefs. If gays have a problem with what a church teaches they have the right not to go. If parents wish to be gay they should understand that their families values will not be accepted by all. Their values should not be forcefully accepted by all either. This sort of thing happens at least once a year. I remember this same sort of thing taking place last year or the year prior.

Raist

Kudos for the school.

They have rights, too.

If gay couples want to have a family, hey rock on...

I don't like the fact that the school turned the little girl away...but as a private concern, that's their right and privilege to do just that.

IMHO, these parents have no case.

I can't help but be just a little suspicious of the motives behind this, though...

Originally posted by GunzCoty

Go home see mommy kissing mommy go to school learn how they will burn in hell go back home mommy says they are lairs go back to school they say mommy is a jezzabel lair who will be the Devils prostitute.

Yep, this is what I see and then the couple will complain that the schools lesson plans are not sensitive to gays and demand they change them, so on and so on…

reply to post by Raist


So then why not a white school for white children only?

Pointing out discrimination elsewhere does not justify discrimination.

You can’t push the question aside, it is perfectly valid. What is the difference between denying someone a place in school based on their parents sexuality and doing to same because of their race?

Why should religions be allowed to discriminate?

If parents wish to be gay

It’s not a wish.

reply to post by Mike_A


I think the point here Mike, is that the fact that its a private school, meaning its a private organisation, means they have their rights to acccept or reject whoever they want. So the parents have no case

I do think its disgraceful that they take this approach, but thats based on my opinion, on the religious point of view on homosexuals. Unfortunate that this occurs, but its not illegal

reply to post by LAinhabitant


I put nothing into the writings of Paul. Like I said he did not know Jesus. Anyone can claim divine inspiration.

"private Episcopal school"

"private"

meaning they can do whatever they want. meaning there's nothing to talk aboot. /thread

I find it ironic that a Christian school is turning away lesbian parents. After all, those lesbian parents more than likely met at an "all-girls" Catholic school whilst playing Lacrosse or soccer

Any who, I don't mind when lesbians cause trouble for Christians.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by harrytuttle]

Just another example of religion legally dividing. Religion is a scourge and a curse upon humanity. When are people going to wake up and realize this?

Just sad and shameful.

Maybe the school district is horrible, like mine Jefferson County Kentucky. My son was MUGGED in school, and I am too poor to even try a private school. But say I scraped the money and did go that route. It would have been done for my childs safety, and to be turned away from a private school that takes non church going students, I would be pissed off.

If it is a church school, St Whoever, the school has a Church St Whoever it is attatched to. Thus if the school takes kids who do NOT attend that church, then imo they open the door for lawsuits of discrimination.

Don't want to turn kids away? Dont accept kids from outside your church or religion, period.

Why do most private religious schools accept nonchurch member kids?

MONEY.

Well, my first reaction to this was like many others, "It's a private school, they can admit who they want." and "It's a christian school, and they aren't following the schools beliefs".

But then I thought...hold on a second...the two lesbian mothers aren't trying to attend school here...THE DAUGHTER is. She isn't a lesbian (well as far as we know she isn't). And the mother's are sending her to this school with the understanding that she will be taught the church's teachings.

Shouldn't the school be happy to educate a child who has done nothing wrong?

Is the child supposed to be responsible for the parents choices?

This child is innocent and has done nothing wrong, why should it be denied because of the lifestyle of the parents?

Shouldn't a religious school be accepting and willing to educate any child if the parents are wanting them too...regardless of the parents lifestyle?

So my original thoughts of siding with the school has turned around...I don't think they did the right thing in this case.



Oh, and one other thing:

This is like the muslims who want to build a mosque next to ground zero. They are both sticking their thumbs into the eyes of the American people!

No...this is nothing like the "near to the location of ground zero Muslim community center".

Unless you are talking about this being another example of Christians being hypocrits...then yes...I could see this being like that.

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reply to post by groingrinder


I figured you would disclaim Paul that's why I also included the words of Jesus in Mat 19: Jesus said" 4And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’' 5and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.."

Originally posted by Violater1


A lesbian couple circumvents Christian doctrine, attempts to have their adopted child admitted into a Christian school, get rejected, and now feel disappointed? This is like the muslims who want to build a mosque next to ground zero. They are both sticking their thumbs into the eyes of the American people!

While I can see that it wasn't the smartest move, on their behalf, to enroll their child at that particular school (were they naiive?) to say that they are sticking their thumbs into the eyes of the American people is laughable. surely they are American people too.
It is really heartening, however, to see that prejudice, discrimination and intolerance are being embraced. Well done

Originally posted by intrepid

They want a better education for their kid. They have the money, what's the problem? Are you saying that if you could put your kids through a private school you wouldn't?

I know this wasn't directed toward me, but I must say that, for the record, even if I could afford it there would be no way that I would send my children to a private school. I disagree with the whole concept and still insist that public education providers are funded appropriately and to the same or greater level than private schools, and that no money is allocated to defense until this is achieved....but then I'm a haggard old socialist with a bee in my bonnet about the military and its expenditure and nowadays, with the rise of the young folk and their technological love affair and 'Me-ism" more and more people will choose the private path and there will be an increasingly large gap between the haves and have nots....

I disagree that Private Schools are not subject to the same checks and balances that public schools are, and that they can discriminate, even if they are 'allowed' to.

Did I say I loathe private schools?

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Pinke

 

No they cannot. That very concept is an oxymoron. That is the same thing as saying a serial killer can still be Christian.

So, obviously, God isn't a Christian.