What is the Intent of the Liberal Conspiracy?

I grew up with conservatives. I know they have a conspiracy. They told me. They want to keep the US and the wealthy on top. They will lie and say things like "there are weapons of mass destruction there" or "Bin Ladin is hiding". The intent is clear. They are conserving the values of their ancestors. The conservative agenda does not respect anyone outside of its members. The objective is to win and prosper without regard for others.
I have known liberals also. They certainly do have an agenda. They want change. They want a big government that takes care of the poor. They want an isolationist foreign policy. Socialistic programs are their friend. It sounds like a noble undertaking to me, but many think they are evil.
What do liberals want? What is the goal of liberalism? Do they want the USA to suffer? Is there a liberal conspiracy? I know the media is not liberal, as it supports the conservative viewpoint 99% of the time.

reply to post by earthdude


Conservatives want WAR, WAR, WAR, and MORE, MORE, MORE money for the WEALTHY and CORPORATIONS.

Liberals have compassion and try to help the little guy (middle class & lower class) who should know by now that the conservatives are their enemy.

The true DEVILS of the middle class are the conservative right wing agenda klan.

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When I see a conservative bumper sticker on a poor person's car I think "Poor guy got deceived". When I see a conservative bumper sticker on a rich man's car I think " He is in on the conspiracy". So I pity most conservatives and the rest are evil conspirators.
When I see a liberal bumper sticker I always think "how nice of that person to be willing to sacrifice for the good of all." Am I wrong? Is there a liberal conspiracy?

Do you REALLY want to know what the liberal conspiracy is?

For one, they have no clue. They just hate the system as it is. They want to destroy it. They attempt to point to an idea, but the idea has NEVER existed. And as we can see, the Socialist heavy system implemented back during the GD has come to a FIERY end. Do not tell me the current system for the last 40 years was capitalistic, do not even attempt to go there.

Every communistic, socialistic, marxist, fascist system has FAILED. Period.

The BEST system ever devised, the US, has lasted the test of time. No, Rome does not count because that was a parasitic system also. The only reason it lasted was expansion. When it could no longer expand, the system broke down.

Anarchism based upon laws is the only system that has actually worked. ALA the US. Yes, it was a libertarian society but based upon a Anarchist/Capitalist society enforced by a rule of LAW.

When did it start breaking down? When tweaks were made to favor the entrenched companies enforced by the government.

No matter how many times the utopian idealistic endeavors of the marxists/collectivists begin, they have to ultimately turn to tyranny and totalitarian ideals. Because the system is flawed, they have to use force to come to their end, CONTROL.

asta la vista baby

Liberal and Conservative are not conspiracies, but ideologies. Very, very broad ones too.

Since they are so broad, I will make broad, sweeping generalizations about each.

Conservatives are less "well-meaning" about global issues, but tend to be more in touch with reality and how things work. They tend to work in the productive (a.k.a. private) sector, and so get touchy about how much taxes they pay and what they go toward. Also for this reason they find less time for activism than liberals. Many are pushy about their religion.

Liberals are well-meaning but out of touch with reality and almost never think through the practical results and unintended consequences of their plans. They are particularly naive when it comes to human nature. They are also more activistic, and often get time off for this purpose as they often work in the predatory (a.k.a. "public") sector which often encourages activism. This all combines to make them generally more "dangerous" than conservatives, if you actually think voters are dangerous.

Neither are conspiracies. Generally speaking, if you don't have a lot of wealth or influence, you don't get to be part of a conspiracy.

Feel free to hack away at my sweeping generalizations. They're so vague and from-the-gut that I'm not sure I care enough about them to defend them.



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Typical BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS from half truths and full lies! The Liberals want to destroy us and ruin everything BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! I do not have to ask where you obtain this silliness, as most folks already know.

WATCH OUT FOLKS, the Liberals are trying to clone a Godzilla beast and a King Kong to devour the planet because they already have a space ship to live on mars!

The Liberals are the reason that the DINOSAURS became extinct folks! Thats RIGHT!!

The Aliens are really good pals with the Liberals and they have a plan snatch our VERY SOULS. Ohhh GOSH folks, look out its the LIBERALS!!!

Everythings because of the liberals!!

WATCH OUT!! Behind you was a Liberal GHOST looking to GET YA!!!

the American Left's Master Plan is to re-interpret and thus nullify the US Constitution so they can rule the country as a semi-socialist nation. what they cannot gain with fair elections they take via the courts (the Prop 8 decision in California shows how a single judge can overrule the public will).
the Amercan Left wants to emascualte business and industry and empower liberal special interest groups, esp unions.
The AL's biggest weapon is the media (news and also entertainment) which is hopelessly out of touch with mainstream American. their next biggest strength is in the education system. generally, 90% of the people in the news media, and 90% of the folks in the education system, are very liberal (voted for Obama and Clinton, etc).
the AL uses environmentalism to erode liberty. ultimately they would like us to live in centrally-planned concrete box apartments where our thermostats (and ourselves) are easily controlled. needless to say, the Al Gores and Dan Rathers will continue to live luxuriously in estates and vacation retreats.
the AL wants a huge omnipotent beauracracy that will control every aspect of our lives. these government workers will all be making 50k a year with four weeks paid vacation and health benefits. the rest of us will be wage slaves working for 20-30k (plus part time jobs) and few benefits.
the AL would like to neutralize Christianity by promoting anti-Christian policies (gay marriage) and demonizing as racist/homophobe/hateful anyone opposing these policies and respecting Christian values. Eventually they will try to impoverish the (Christian) church in America with lawsuits and tax codes (multiple attempts now to start taxing churches).
the AL wants to force increased reliance on government (at every level), which will encourage/force people to vote for the left, giving them more power to increase dependence, in a cycle.
I don't know that there's a conspiracy where Al Gore and Dan Rather and Nancy Pelosi and others meet and share notes, but the indoctrination is so deep that the effect is there. just about any graduate of a major (and most minor) university is going to share the AL's world view and beliefs.

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I can't see how one can construe taking care of others as "evil".

But I do tire of hearing fox news pundits use progressive as an insult.

But what is their conspiracy? I don't know.

Easy.....

1: To make laws that give the criminal more rights than the victim and then to make it a hate crime to talk about it....

2: To destroy the infrastructure of a civil society...

3: To help the worthless of society by throwing money at them at the expense of the people who built the country...

4: To make everyone feel guilty for not enjoying this so called multi-cultured society...

5: To make everyone feel guilty for wishing that we could go back to when woman were not beat-up or handed around like meat to who-ever has the most gold chains and killed the most people that week...

6 To kill the music charts and any positive music production and instead fill it with "how to act like a twat" for permanent under-achievers to listen to...

7: To destroy old ideals that kept us safe and kept the scum in order, so that decent law-abiding citizens could enjoy their inner-cities at night...

8: To give them and their kids a better future by keeping them as far away as possible from the areas that contain the product of their laws, this way they can call anyone who cries over the breakdown of society's values as non-progressive and backward because they just don't understand what the average joe has to put up with everyday from the scum they help...

9: To bankrupt America by giving the worthless all of our hard earned money, at least we get some bang for our buck with the republicans...

And finally...

10: To tax anyone who has worked hard, then give it to the people who don't play by the rules...

That's about it, oh! I almost forgot...To look weak in the eyes of the people who want to end our way of life, they are brilliant at that....

Hope this helps...........

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You’ve been noticing a change in the conspiracies on here in the net uh?

Well, it’s always reassuring to see some people acknowledging the difference between the party line conspiracies.

The liberal conspiracies you often see derived from an ideology that is ultimately an impossible utopia, which is why they always fall short of success. Change doesn’t come easy and progress is fragile and of course not all liberals are the compassionate progressists they claime to be.
Conservatives in general go with the law of the jungle because that’s what the system really is, which is why the liberal idealism is doomed to fail, giving more confidence and renewable energy to the conservative ideology. Only a new paradigm will give prosperity to the liberal idealism.


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reply to post by strangleholder1

The ten points you make will make it just as easy to stigmatise what conservatives are as:

-xenophobic
-racist
-backward
-Close-minded
-authoritarian
-greedy
-uncreative
-arrogant
-tyrannical
-Just as weak as they think liberals are when courage for them means bullying.





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reply to post by Baloney


Where the HELL did I mention liberal?

I talked about economic systems, not ideological systems.

Tell me, what type of system of economics does the US have now?

Do you know the difference between Anarchist and Totalitarian?

Do you know the difference between Socialist, Communist, and Capitalist systems? This is ECONOMICS, not your ingrained conceptions I am speaking about here.

Hell, even Marx admitted NO other system can compete with pure capitalism. It has to be destroyed by implementing socialist or communist endeavors to make it fail.

Capitalism, pure and simple is a system of economics where the individual owns property. The exchange of products is done by pure trade, be it barter or a trade of a fixed currency.

You can blather on about the liberal system that you were taught, or you can actually open your mind to the truth.

Any system of economics that is NOT all about free trade has some type of control. Tell me, do you understand that to have control, you have to supply that control with some system of finance? Where does THAT come from?

You are being disingenuous and ignorant of the discussion. Planned economics MUST be financed by the market. Tell me, do you know that management distracts from the production of any system?

If you do not agree to this, you are not only ignorant, you are being stupid.

Free enterprise and pure capitalism is the most efficient form of economic system. You do not have to agree with the system, you just have to realize that 1+1=2. Where as any other system has this type .75 + .75 + .5(system enforcement cut/could be more, could be less)=2

This is a NO brainer. The only thing keeping the USSR operating in the end was the black markets. Black markets are PURE capitalism in a free market. Because they are not regulated by the system. They are not regulated by anything except the pure trade of one product for another.

I am tired of attempting to teach things to those that have no clue.

Tell me, have you even read Marx? Have you even attempted to understand these systems or are you just here to propagate ignorance? Why not question what you have been ingrained to spew?

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So liberals are masochists bent of destroying thier own life? I seriously doubt that.

reply to post by Exv8densez


Those were some mind opening statements. Change? We are not ready for change. I do see the powers that be using the two ideologies against each other to gain more power. Myself, I gather my ideas from both sides. I was waiting for a conservative to say that liberals want us to join the Soviet Union and be homosexual abortionists.

reply to post by earthdude


The Progressive (not Liberal, nothing wrong with Liberalism) conspiracy is simple:

Destroy national, ethnic, religious identity and merge all borders into a single entity to allow (heres the part they never admit) free trade and migration for the sake of the ultra powerful corporations to profit from cheaper pools of labor, lower international tariffs and fewer government restrictions.

Progressives are Fascist, as are Neocons.. different types of Fascist perhaps, but Fascist none the less..

Liberalism embraces the failed assumption that man is perfectible by his own efforts. This leads to the idea of the elite, well intentioned, all powerful leadership class, who will provide for the poor helpless masses out of the goodness of his heart. They promulgate the idea of wealth redistribution as the panacea for all societal ills. Of course to achieve the man made utopia requires an all encompassing, beneficent state.

The truth is of course that self interest prevails in all systems, and the elite leadership is only there to serve their interests and those who pay them well. All societies based on this kind of utopian idealism have failed, and the extreme versions, aka communists have personally killed more people than probably all the worlds wars. Their systems encourage pathological and paranoid control freaks to rise to the top. Thus evil triumphs in all liberal states. Look at the demogogues in the US democratic party. They need to create poverty because it increases their power base. They desire everyone to be back on the plantation so that they can control you and all your economic activity. I see them as the object manifestation of societal evil, like scum bubbling to the surface of a cesspool.

American conservatives, on the other hand wish to conserve or preserve the principles of freedom that made America a great country. This is primarily codified in the US constitution. They are your common folk and your entrepreneurs and the salt of the earth. Note that the liberal elite are usually Hollywood types or trust fund babies, immersed in immoral and failed idealogies. The ultra rich love liberalism because it enforces their monopolies. True conservatives love competition, because it improves business, provides jobs and enriches everyone.

The hopeless brainwashed, raised in government controlled education camps are completely clueless about basic economic principles. They see the economy as a fixed pie, that the evil business types have sliced up in their favor, leaving only a sliver for everyone else. Liberals foster this belief since it entrenches their power, as they exercise their greatest tool, the lie of class envy. The fact is the economy is not a pie of fixed size. It's a pie that gets bigger the more people are eating from it. The more economic activity, the more innovation, the more there is for everyone to enjoy. The poorest American enjoys greater wealth and personal freedom than any king from ancient times, who was lucky if he made it past 30 and probably never traveled further than the confines of his tiny realm. This is all due to the miracle of innovation, industrialization and improvements in efficiency.

That is why every penny you pay to the corrupt government is destroying your prospects for the future and the prospects of your children. The government produces nothing. It is what is called overhead, a type of parasite. Any good business wants to keep overhead to a minimum in order to survive. In recent times, thanks to liberal insanity, the government's purpose is to steal from the producers and give it to the laggards and wastrels.

After 6 trillion dollars spent on the war on poverty, the number of poor have increased. This will always be the case if you restrict the freedoms of the citizens, steal from them, and demoralize them, with evil philosophies. You will create poverty. Government spending on the poor provably increases poverty.

In fact the only provable way to make a dent in poverty is to change the values of the poor. But that my friends is another story.

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It is simple really you will get post after post saying the other side is wrong and their side is correct. It is all LIES.


We have a two party system for one reason control. One one side leans to far the other side gains power. Wash rinse and repeat over and over again. We are all sheep asleep at the wheel of our very future.



Think about it---the very same money controls both sides. Why is that? Because it is a control measure plain and simple.



We all want common things like jobs and freedom. But they place wedges to keep us looking at the right hand while all along the left hand does whatever it wants.



Whenever you hear someone say my side is right they are being played. There truly is no side---- TPTB control them both.



The IMF and like organizations hold the real power. We are nothing but the labor that keeps them in power. And we are to stupid and lazy and apathetic to ever do anything about it. This is the truth like it or not.

The hidden agenda of the politics of envy is to WIN, to be the main player in the reconstructed global hegemonic entrapment system.

Their ultimate goal is the same as each of the players, to DOMINATE.

There is an ATS Thread entitled, 'Communist Goals of 1963'. This gives information about how the West's post WW2 ideological nemesis drafted strategic psycho-warfare programmes to instal a socialist NWO.

Originally posted by teapot
The hidden agenda of the politics of envy is to WIN, to be the main player in the reconstructed global hegemonic entrapment system.

Their ultimate goal is the same as each of the players, to DOMINATE.

There is an ATS Thread entitled, 'Communist Goals of 1963'. This gives information about how the West's post WW2 ideological nemesis drafted strategic psycho-warfare programmes to instal a socialist NWO.

With the intent being to put power into the hands of a few? Maybe the intent was to prevent starvation. I'm trying to find the intent of both ideologies, really. Some great information has been provided. Hopefully we will realize that our intent is the same and we are only arguing over how to accomplish our goals. Once we have a goal, we can compromise on how to achieve it.

Originally posted by earthdude
Hopefully we will realize that our intent is the same and we are only arguing over how to accomplish our goals. Once we have a goal, we can compromise on how to achieve it.

That's nice and all but compromise is doomed to failure, since failed ideas based on faulty premises will prevail over common sense, since the vested interests will promote their monopoly over all other ideas. What we need rather is evidence based leadership. That is the state should make economic decisions based on what historically and provably has benefited the masses throughout American history.

I submit that history demonstrates that limited government and laissez faire capitalism have provided the most concrete gains. Moreover these gains were realized during the period of unprecedented expansion during the 19th century up until the disastrous creation of the federal reserve around 1913 or so.

It is clear to me what needs to be done.