The Last Philosophy You Need to Know.

reply to post by itsallmaya


and I trust that you base this on "personal experience"
thanks for your comments

reply to post by The Endtime Warrior


too many cliches for me to relate...keep trying we are all on to something very big!! lol

reply to post by jazabel51


this reply actually says a lot about you. the "said" cliches can be replaced with whatever feels more comfortable to you, it still doesn't change the importance of the point what I was trying to get across. My advice to you? try looking at it again in a year and see if you gained any perspective on yourself.

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reply to post by kowalskil


First of all Tarrok didn't write that, I did. Your "opinion" proves my point. Everyone has a different opinion(circle) of what life is and how it relates to them. So thanks for proving my point, also thanks for the links ill take a gander.

Like your original post.

Are you basing your ideas on Plato? i.e. Epistemology

Plato thought (as far as I can remember) that as your reality is always changing then any observations made based upon your own experience must always be just opinions and can never be fact.

I seem to remember the idea of Archetypes from a few philosophy books also fitting in pretty well with your theory.

What is life and truth outside of positive time? I know i know, time isn't real. But seriously. How are you defining life for yourself?

I define life as creation. Life is the act of creation rather then life being a state of being, although, life is also a state of being as a creator.

reply to post by davespanners


Thanks for your reply dave. As far as Plato goes.....not sure. Like I said I learned this idea in philosophy class, which was about 2 or 3 classes in. Our professor had mentioned it, and it just kinda stuck. I dont know a whole lot about Plato's teachings or anyone else's. It would seem I share some things with Rene Descartes but most of what I identify was found through my own thinking. Which further reinforces my point, that we all have that innate idea of perfection. It just becomes altered through external forces.

I really wish I would've stuck in school, but that is a whole other thread in and of itself.

reply to post by onequestion


Thanks for your reply, I will do my best to answer. Since the very beginning I took a solipsist view of everything. The universe did not exist until I existed in order to perceive it. For all I know the universe ends when I do.... I struggled with this for many years. This is the truth as I saw it fit.

I then came to the conclusion after many years of paranormal encounters and "divine" intervention, that I don't define the universe...I am but one point of view. One man's red is another man's pink. So why I now understand that the problem of interpretation gets in the way of the "Truth" it is now my goal to carefully weigh everything in order to see through all the lies....I hope that makes sense?

If you want a really enjoyable, easy to understand, short philosophy course then I would recommend reading the book "Sophies World" by Jostein Gaarder, It covers just about every major philosophical movement in history and wraps it in a fictional mystery story, it's a really fun to read and amazingly informative for a fairly short book.

reply to post by davespanners


Interesting, just read the synopsis about it on wikipedia. Norweigan huh? I am part norweigan....things starting to fit into my circle as we speak...

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep it in mind next time I'm at a bookstore

reply to post by The Endtime Warrior


I like to think of it more as a Higher Dimensional (n > 4) structure... or Object (Timeless) intruding partially into 4th dimensional space (with motion.... I mean "Time")

We (Our universe) would be... like... a little toe, or something...




It would certainly explain the fractals...

-Edrick

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reply to post by The Endtime Warrior


Great thread The Endtime Warrior,

This entity is infinite

According to my definition if the entity is infinite it is also not able to differentiate between two things for it takes a finite outlook to conclude that something is either one thing or the other.

After all, infinite is exactly that, everything and nothing. It is not either one thing or the other. Truth and the lie are the same for infinity. Our finite perspective makes it either one or the other.

Good and evil do not exist in the infinite, people create good and evil. For infinity good and evil are merely different sides of the same coin.

An infinite entity living "outside" our universe is contradictory in terms. If it is infinite then it also encompasses our universe. The fact that you can play with the thought of separating an infinite entity from the rest and picture it as looking down on us clearly shows the finite nature of our reasoning.

Truth is relative no matter how you slice it!!

The "truth" you are talking about is merely the sum of the truth and the lie, which really doesn't help us.

Peace

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reply to post by Edrick


Whoa deep. I can't even begin to explain fractals. I have a new take on this considering I wrote this about a few weeks ago....

I happen to think that Time is the Truth. Time started (I think time is finite, relative to our universe) and is continuing in a straight line. It is the truth because it cares not anything about good or evil. and it will continue on, regardless or our opinion. and so our idea of what time is, however close to the truth it is...is still a "lie" because we can't claim to know what the relevance of this "time" is. our opinions are offshoots of this "truth" the inevitable properties of Time. Thanks for your reply. can't comment on the fractals though!

reply to post by operation mindcrime


OM, thanks for the response.. see above reply to Edrick for my new understanding of the Truth. Apparently my definition likes to evolve, much like everyone elses. I see what you are saying, personal definitions aside, contradictory or not, when posting stuff like this it lends itself open to criticism and I realize that. Maybe my definition was closer to what I said above. Either way, thanks for your reply. I felt it insightful.

btw I love Queensryche. If that is indeed relative to your name, if not then I stand dumbfounded!

reply to post by The Endtime Warrior

Whoa deep. I can't even begin to explain fractals. I have a new take on this considering I wrote this about a few weeks ago....

I happen to think that Time is the Truth. Time started (I think time is finite, relative to our universe) and is continuing in a straight line. It is the truth because it cares not anything about good or evil. and it will continue on, regardless or our opinion. and so our idea of what time is, however close to the truth it is...is still a "lie" because we can't claim to know what the relevance of this "time" is.

Time is the Cyclical Expression of Motion.

This implies 2 things... Distance, and Relative Motion.


Time is merely an arbitrary classification of other factors of reality, and thus, is not a "Real" thing, as it were.


We have motion... occurring at regular intervals.

This is what we describe as "Time"


The perspective of Time occurs in our Day and Night cycles... the Phases of the Moon... and the position of the sun in the sky, as it arcs across the horizon, throughout the year.

These are gravitational and inertial events... taking place through space, over distance, with a non-infinite speed.

Currently, Our "Time" is based upon the microwave resonance frequency of Cesium 133.

en.wikipedia.org...

our opinions are offshoots of this "truth" the inevitable properties of Time.

Yup!

Thanks for your reply.

You are quite welcome... Thanks for the Thread!

can't comment on the fractals though!

Oh, I was talking about the inherent difficulties in resolving geometric mathematical problems where one set exists in n dimensions, and the other exists in n+ dimensions.

Like PI, for example...

3.1415926535 89793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944............

The Ratio between the Diameter and the Circumference of a circle?

Well, the Measurement across (Diameter) is a 1 dimensional measurement.

While the Measurement AROUND (Circumference) is a 2 dimensional measurement.

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by The Endtime Warrior

 

can't comment on the fractals though!

Oh, I was talking about the inherent difficulties in resolving geometric mathematical problems where one set exists in n dimensions, and the other exists in n+ dimensions.

Like PI, for example...

Another thread, another time!
star for the clarification

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Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior

There can be only one truth.

There may only be one objective truth, but if there is, I suspect strongly that the human mind is unable to know it. It is very likely that this objective truth is non-dual while the human mind is only capable of processing in dualistic terms.

So, while there may only be one objective truth, human "truths" will always be very subjective and open for legitimate debate.

I suspect that is the reason it was a "sin" or "mistake" for the humans in the creation story to think they could know good from evil. Our minds are not the minds of God. Our lives are short, our physical limits many, and there is no way we could know if something was in "truth" good or evil in the long run. All we can say is how we feel or think about it in the short run.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


It really is a "myth of progression". Although I believe the "link" is there....mind/universe however it may be as you say, unable to comprehend.
like two realities unable to converge due to different "languages"

nice post

Somewhere there is one truth but it is hard to put a label on what is true. We all have separate reality tunnels that we look through. Our comprehension of the data our mind receives from our eyes is based off of the collective knowledge of the Family/tribe/society that is passed down through time orally or written. Which is how religions can shape viewpoints or those with racist beliefs can interpret situations differently. Robert Anton Wilson and Timothy Leary talk a lot about our views or reality and how the language we use dictates what we see and process. Quite interesting stuff.

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