School District Demanding to Enter My Home!!!

thats got to be the most retarded thing i have ever heard in my entire life...ok i've heard dumber things but still thats pretty up there.

When i went to school they only ever called cause i was behind on homework or i skipped school, unless there is some strange behaviour in your child which has them wondering of his secrity there is no reason for them to do it, unless they are child services then you have to if you want to keep your kid.

There has to be a logical reason behind it...there are 2 sides to every story i want to hear thiers.

Ps show them your damn house, its not like they will steal your stuff or rape you, slamming the door in someones face is real shifty and you seem overly concerned about it, i mean your not hiding anything, are you?

As an educator and coach in Indiana I know they take these situations quite seriously. In Indiana a student athlete is not allowed to move out of district for athletic purposes. This doesn't sound like the case in hand. In many districts residency is a huge concern because schools are often overcrowded and with the current education funds being cut by the millions this situation is all the more important. You'd be surprised to find the number of students that use family members addresses to go to a school for a better education or sports program. It's the tax payers money that's paying for the education of students who may not even live in the district. And to take gambles on move in who can potentially bring down istep scores causing a school not to reach their AYP is a huge deal. And for the ignorant individuals that keep saying they should be teaching get a clue. First, it's summer and few schools are in progress and second they have attendance officers whose responsibility is to confirm residency and yeah...they don't teach. To me it sounds like someone reported you and I'm sure they've already done their background research by asking neighbors if the kid lives there.

Originally posted by stephanies-chase
As an educator and coach in Indiana I know they take these situations quite seriously. In Indiana a student athlete is not allowed to move out of district for athletic purposes.

Yes it's a big deal.

Because the "rich" schools will pay under the table to get athletes from other schools to come join their school. Kinda like a illegal style free-agency thing.

Like "come play at our school, and we got a house for you in a good neighborhood, a new car for you, and any job in town you want we can get you in" type pay-offs. But if your kid can't play for some reason, well get outta town now... lol!

It got so bad, and certain schools were stealing the good players from all over the nearby areas, that they had no choice but to become anal about making these rules and checks.

It's the price you have to pay to play sports in communities that are uber obsessed with it.

It's all about winning the game to them! A lot of them have 'booster clubs' and all types of things like this as well. And if the team starts sucking, the team can loose tons of support from adult fans/supporters. This in turn can harm the school very bad.

It's extremely cut throat. I've got tons of stories I could tell but it would take hours to get through them LOL.

[edit on 18-8-2010 by muzzleflash]

Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the children! (Sorry had to do it.)

Property taxes are paid to the state who redistributes them to the schools based on need. So saying people pay taxes to their school district is misleading. Property tax also does not only pay public schooling services.

You are not paying for your kid's school. You are paying part of the overall cost of everyone's schooling including community colleges and state universities that adults attend. Education is a socialized benefit because of the old proverb that it takes a village to raise a kid. You as an adult can avail yourself of private colleges or private schools for your kids, but you still pay for public schools too.

Just an example of how psychopathic this stuff REALLY can become, here is one quick little story. Just FYI.

The school I was at PHS, played a game against the cross town rivals OHS, and they had beat OHS for 32 years straight. And then suddenly, OHS beat PHS and the winning streak had ended in dismal failure.

That night, tons of locals went to vandalize the PHS coach's home. They lit cow manure on fire in his front yard, painted his house with explicatives, and basically RAN HIM OUTTA TOWN that WEEK!

He was a great coach but his job ended over that 1 game. 32 years of wins makes people psychopathic I suppose.

The kids on the team were then harassed by old men, adults, who would put them down for losing the game. Treating them all like scum. Their lives were ruined over this one stupid game. A whole team of kids.

These 16-18year old boys were so ostracized, I saw them later that night and they were crying like babies. Wailing and crying. A whole team of muscle bound guys.

Needless to say the took on the role of alcoholics that night.

Their reputations were pretty shot at that point.

People would walk by in a local restaurant and just talk crap on them right to their faces. Everyone knew the players etc. City pop over 100,000 even. It was Nuts!

Anyways, I would be posting here forever if I told you even half the stories that I know of lol. Football isn't a game, its LIFE to these folks!

I'm Australian, so I'm at a loss to understand how a School or its representatives have any rights to come into a private home and search private belongings for any reason... even if you signed something while signing you kids into that school.

It seems insane to me that a school could have such "legal power".

So does this mean that you Americans are already living in a Dictatorship?

reply to post by dbloch7986


Correction...property taxes are paid to the town you live in...not the state...thus the reason why the mils per home/land ownership are different from town to town...THIS is the reason I should NOT have to pay for little Johnny who lives in a different district to "freeload" and take away school funding from my child, or the children of legitamate taxpayers in MY district...I commend the schools who find the freeloaders and kick'em out...If you want to send your child to a certain school, then LIVE and pay town taxes in the proper district to do so!!

reply to post by lostviking


Weird story.. I will strive to keep my children away from anything to do with Government.. no public schools for them, they will get a proper private school education.

reply to post by dbloch7986

That is incorrect. The take our school budget, divide it by the district's total assessed valuation to come up with a mill rate, and that is the school tax rate every property owner here pays.

Yes we do have local school funding. There is some state supplement for the poorer districts, but there is a large degree of local control and home rule.

You may be one of those who wishes it weren't true, but tough.

reply to post by muzzleflash


It's funny, we're on two different tracks here. It seems there is a picture that the kid in question:

(1) probably lives out of district, so it matters
(2) is not an academic star, maybe below average academically for the district
(3) is a sports star

and some people are saying because of (2) and funding, the district wants to keep out the kid. Other people are saying because of (3) the district wants to steal the kid.

Whatever, this sort of verification is surely legal, otherwise anyone could show up at school and demand to play sports, attend classes, etc.

Originally posted by rockhndr
reply to post by dbloch7986

 

Correction...property taxes are paid to the town you live in...not the state...thus the reason why the mils per home/land ownership are different from town to town...THIS is the reason I should NOT have to pay for little Johnny who lives in a different district to "freeload" and take away school funding from my child, or the children of legitamate taxpayers in MY district...I commend the schools who find the freeloaders and kick'em out...If you want to send your child to a certain school, then LIVE and pay town taxes in the proper district to do so!!

Does that mean I don't have to pay school taxes since I don't have any kids? Why should I have to pay for yours.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
Oh won't somebody PLEASE think of the children! (Sorry had to do it.)

Property taxes are paid to the state who redistributes them to the schools based on need. So saying people pay taxes to their school district is misleading. Property tax also does not only pay public schooling services.

You are not paying for your kid's school. You are paying part of the overall cost of everyone's schooling including community colleges and state universities that adults attend. Education is a socialized benefit because of the old proverb that it takes a village to raise a kid. You as an adult can avail yourself of private colleges or private schools for your kids, but you still pay for public schools too.

Maybe true in your state of California, but not in mine of Connecticut. My town (and the town next to it) have a shared seperate school budget that we vote on every year and supports the schools (kindergarden thru high school) that only children from our two towns attend. We do not support the other couple hundred town schools in the state and those other towns do not pay money to support our local schools.

State taxes pay for state colleges, but NOT grammer/middle/high schools.

Personally, I think this whole thread is a ploy by the OP, he/she seems to have disappeared.

reply to post by hoagy1199


Well you have to pay because that's the law. The question isn't what "should" be but what is.

In my area we pay a lot of school taxes. But then after kids are out of school, people often sell out and move out of the district. And likewise when you bought property in the district, you had an idea what the property taxes would be the following year. So presumably you thought it was a good deal for you, considering everything.

People pay for good schools because they have kids in the schools, and/or because it tends to support their property values whether or not they have kids in the schools.

This leads to clustering of people who are willing to pay for good schools and clustering of people who are not. And that is a good thing, because it allow people the freedom to choose from more than a single lifestyle, family-with-kids-oriented or less family-with-kids-oriented.

reply to post by oniongrass


Actually it was more of a retorical to another poster. I'm a product of public schools, I just don't have any kids in school. My wife passed away in March. She had 2 kids previously but they are grown and live out of town.

Thanks for the post, it was just a pointless question I guess.

Me again, going off topic for a minute.

As far as I know here in Australia, State Schools (Public Education) are funded primarily from the National Government's Education Department. It then funnels funds to each State in the Country, which have their own Education Departments.

The National funding also pays more to Private Schools than to the Public Schools.

Because of this you can see some coastal State Schools that are doing well, while others don't even have air-conditioning for their hot districts. And yet all Private schools are modern, fully equipped and fully air-conditioned.

Each school is also responsible for fund raising with it's own extra projects. My daughter's first school took out a loan to build a giant hall, and paid it off in 4 years with the proceeds from renting it out to groups and sporting clubs.

Back on topic though...

How is it that an education unit of some sort has the power to investigate and search your property and personal belongings?

And, therefore do you live in a Dictatorship?

Hoping for an answer this time

[edit on 18-8-2010 by Tayesin]

reply to post by Tayesin


The school has a right to determine that the kids attending the school live within the district. That's necessary because the district taxpayers pay a large part of the school's cost. Maybe it would not be necessary in a system where schools were not locally funded.

Does it mean we live in a Dictatorship? Sure, it's one of 100 proofs of that, I guess.

Worse than that is if the school thinks you are not raising your kids properly (e.g. contributor earlier in the thread who had the social workers come to his/her house for ridiculous reasons) they can evaluate your home and if they decide the kid should be removed, they'll remove the kid. They'll take your child away from you.

I don't know how often the child is removed.

That to me seems a lot worse than making sure the family isn't ripping off district taxpayers by simply making sure the kid lives in the district.

[edit on 18-8-2010 by oniongrass]

8 pages of responses and questions after questions from ATS members and NOT 1
reply from the OP. Like some of us stated in the early stages of this thread, we are not
getting the full story here. At this point all this thread is, just a story.

Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by mattifikation

 

Remove sports from schools? Say thats a pretty good idea, until you actually sit and think about it.

How many children have gotten opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have because of extra curricular activities? College scholarships, professional contracts, etc.

How many kids have been kept away from gangs and violence because they're involved with a sports team?

How many kids have been kept off drugs due to schools drug testing their athletes?

I'm very sorry that you feel the way you do, because it's a sad state of mind. Sports and other activities provide physical fitness, opportunities and a release for some kids who cannot find it elsewhere.

How many kids have been given better grades than they earned because the teacher didn't want to be blamed for getting them kicked off the team? How many wedgies, noogies, wet willies, swirlies, and punches to the face were handed out by jocks trying to assert their dominance over the kids who aren't on the team? How much money gets wasted so that Billy Braindead and his friends can run around in a field playing games while hardworking students put twice the effort into getting half the grade? How many stories just like this thread unfold because schools want better players on their teams?

I didn't say kids shouldn't be allowed to play sports. I said it shouldn't be done by the public school system. My tax dollars help pay for schools, and I want them to be used to make kids smarter, not bigger and dumber.

reply to post by Unst0ppable0ne


This is obviously a shill or agent provocateur or something (the person who wrote this ridiculous reply, totally victimizing and dehumanizing the original poster).

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ENTER YOUR PRIVATE HOME -- PERIOD.

And we all know how school districts are in bed with the NWO federal government.

There is NOTHING paranoid or mentally wrong with you Original Poster!! You have EVERY RIGHT to defend yourself and ON PRINCIPLE ALONE do everything you can to keep these vermin from entering your home!

I've had the same issue with Census workers banging on my door. The only thing required by law to give the Census is ENUMERATION which is how many people are in your home. I DID that. I sent it in on the form, and they have no business asking me anything else about me.

So what happens? Months later, I now have a Census worker harassing the hell out of me, almost giving me a heart attack banging on my door no less than FIVE TIMES yesterday! Even after I shut the door the day before and told her I already sent in my enumeration.

What's happening is that the NWO/ILLUMINATI/DARK CABAL are LOSING AND FALLING from power, and they are getting DESPERATE!!!

So on every level, we have these a-holes banging on our doors and trying to dehumanize us and act like a bunch of Nazis.

STAND FIRM AND TRUTH & LIGHT WILL PREVAIL.

Don't give in to these people who serve the dark. Their days in power are OVER!

reply to post by formernewager


Oh weird, too. We had the same thing with the census--had sent it in. Someone showed up at the door saying they didn't receive it and then a follow up "research" phone call last month basically to reiterate the same info again. Think the fed is worried about doling out monies to states without an accurate count in these times of severe budgetary constraints.