War of 1812 was fought over Hemp!

Please note that my source offers a $100,000 reward for anyone that can prove them wrong!

(Mods note: I put this in the General Conspiracies instead of the Alt. Substance forum because it is a conspiracy in the fact that this is not mentioned in our history classes.)

This is a piece of history that you may have been a bit hazy on when you were taught about it in school. You might well have asked,” What the heck were they fighting about, anyway?” Here we present the events that led up to the Battle of New Orleans, which, due to slow communications, was accidentally fought on January 8, 1815, two weeks after the War of 1812 had officially ended on December 24, 1814 by the signing of a peace treaty in Belgium.

The Emperor Wears No Clothes
By: Jack Herer

The chapter in this book is over how the war over 1812 was over hemp.

Jack Herer posted this on the internet before he died because he felt that everyone should know it. It's a great book and I recommend that everyone reads it.

This chapter is over how Napoleon demanded that no one will trade to the UK during the Napoleonic Wars. The reason why the british made the U.S. sailors trade for them was that they NEEDED RUSSIAN HEMP in order for their military to even operate. Back in those days Hemp was used for nearly everything.

This chapter only takes 10 minutes to read so I recommend everyone read it and comment on it. Even read some of the other chapters in this book, it is enlightening.

I put this in the general conspiracy forum because it was a major part of a reason why we went to war that was omitted from our history classes. It should not be in the Alt Substance forum. It has only been labeled a "substance" since the 1960s and has been a major part of the human industrial agricultural and other aspects for thousands of years.

Thoughts on this chapter greatly appreciated. Take the time to read some others too and put your input on those.

I'll contribute an extra $3000 to anyone who can disprove ANY FACT from this book along with their generous award. I don't want this thread to die, this is something that at least U.S. Citizens should be taught in history class through out their grade school years.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by elfulanozutan0]

S & F

Thank you so much for this.

reply to post by elfulanozutan0

not to disagree hemp was a factor but

The First Bank of the United States: 1791-1811
The Constitution itself prohibited state governments from issuing their own currency. The Bank of the United States was conceived in 1790 to deal with the war debt and to put the government on sound financial footing. It was intended to help fund the government's debt and issue currency notes. Hamilton, then President George Washington's Treasury secretary, was the architect of the Bank, which he modeled after the Bank of England.

this bank was not controlled by the city of london and so had to be destroyed

The Bank was to have start-up capital of $10 million, financed by selling stock. This was quite a large sum at the time. The federal government would own $2 million, giving it substantial control, with the remainder owned by private investors. In addition to the main office in Philadelphia, the Bank had eight branches, one in each of the nation's major cities.

the colonies were quite successfull, and this couldn't be allowed to continue.

Though the intent of the Bank was to facilitate government finances, Hamilton had another goal in mind—to function as a commercial bank. At the time of the revolution, there were barely any banks in the colonies; Britain had used its authority to protect its own banks and prevent the development of financial rivals. Hamilton's vision was to create a central source of capital that could be lent to new businesses and thereby develop the nation's economy. So while in some ways the First Bank prefigured the Federal Reserve, it also differed from it significantly by offering commercial loans, which the Fed, along with most modern central banks, does not do.

The Second Bank of the United States: 1816-1836...

www.minneapolisfed.org...

Fluctuations in the value of money because of the return to a gold-based currency after the end of the Napoleonic wars (1815)

www.answers.com...

The rotheshilds lied about napoleon winning at Waterloo, bought up control of England in the panic and created their version of the central bank in America with the end of the war of 1812.

All the wars have been caused and funded by these bankers who have been gaining more wealth and control with each war.
The civil war centralized power even more...
There is a huge amount of evidence that puts them behind the British empire, the Bolshevics, the Maoists, the Hitlerian, and the Zionist and American imperialist movements and wars.
All the presidents who made there own currencies were assinated except Jackson whom they tried to kill.
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."
-Mayer Amschel Rothschild

There is no reason the think 1812 was not caused by the bankers agents too.
hemp or cotton in 1812 was no different then the misdirection that the civil war was about slavery, which it was clearly by Lincolns quotes not.



[edit on 17-8-2010 by Danbones]

reply to post by elfulanozutan0

elfulanozutan0,

What is there to prove?? I'll take his word for it. Hemp was a very important resource back in those days.

they NEEDED RUSSIAN HEMP in order for their military to even operate

Being from the Netherlands and consuming marijuana frequently, I can tell you that no army will "operate" (in any conventional way) after having consumed marijuana.....

But did you know that during the first world war, the Netherlands was the main supplier of coc aine (because of their colony in Indonesia) to both the allied troops and German troops??

They sold it to countries involved in the war and those would supply it to their troops across the front so they would be willing to leave their trenches and face certain death while running into enemy fire...

They even made arrangements with all party's that they would be the only supplier of the coc aine.

All while remaining neutral in this conflict...

History can be fun!!

Big S+F for the thread.

Peace

[edit on 17-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

you should do a thread on the conspiracy surrounding Jacks recent death.

i still have emails from his wife jeanie when it was going down, he flew out to a hemp rally in oregon and had a stroke. it is believed that he may have been drugged by a few of the promoters, and while drugged they convinced him that his wife wanted to leave him, and forged power of attorney documents with a few other known shady individuals in the hemp-activist scene.

with power of attorney they were able to keep jeanie from seeing him for quite some time while he was in the hospital. During his time at the hospital 2 individuals ran around the country "playing jack" while consolidating all of his assets, including rights to his new DVD film "the emperor wears no clothes".

it truely was a heartbreaking thing to witness happening, specially to his wife.

RIP Jack

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Wow, dude I never knew that. I'm going to research it, I'll make thread on it if I compile enough, if not you should.

ah, the emperor wears no clothes. my favorite part is the department of agro.. detailed growing and cultivating manual. plus the story of the monkeys and gasmasks and columbian gold. good read

Yeah the Brit Empire would have been slightly less intimitading without all that hemp rope,used in their fleets as rigging etc.

It used to be mandatory for farmers in the UK to grow the stuff.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by elfulanozutan0

 

elfulanozutan0,

What is there to prove?? I'll take his word for it. Hemp was a very important resource back in those days.

they NEEDED RUSSIAN HEMP in order for their military to even operate

Being from the Netherlands and consuming marijuana frequently, I can tell you that no army will "operate" (in any conventional way) after having consumed marijuana.....

[edit on 17-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

We're not talking marijuana we're talking hemp. Hemp isn't normally smoked. Smoking hemp probably wouldn't even get you very high, but you might get a nasty headache. Hemp back in the day was used to create cloth and ropes. the oil from the hemp seed was used to light lamps. Hemp had a variety of different uses and I'm sure many of them would greatly benefit an army.

[edit on 17-8-2010 by jacktherer]

The British invaded America and burned Washington DC to the ground over hemp. Sorry I'm not buying that. Sounds like revisionist history.


Where is my $100,000 reward............

Whilst very important to many economies, the War of 1812 was not merely over hemp... Come on now...

What it was about, in very large part, was the United States inability, due to economic warfare being practiced by the British Empire against us, to trade in the very lucrative European markets.

The French tried very much the same sort of thing earlier which resulted in a short, though fierce, naval war.

There was also the practice of impressment by the Royal Navy that had the United States very angry as well. To say it was only over hemp is to over simplify the matter by several orders of magnitude.

Yeah.. So maybe it was about Hemp...

Or maybe it was about the fact that the underlying conflict between the colonies/later US and Great Britain didn't just disappear once the United States had won the revolutionary war.

Many of the interatlantic questions that ultimately led to the American Revolution were not solved by it - the right to do business with belligerents, the payment of debts, questions concerning the law of the sea, questions concerning repossession and the enforcing of deed warrants etc.

In other words: The war of 1812 is best understood if looked at as a continuation of the American-British conflict that began after the Seven Year War. There was a political side to it; this was the question of independence which was resolved with the end of the war. The economic and geostrategic roots of the Anglo-American conflicts, on the other sides, were never finally cleared.

During the years after 1783 up to 1812 these conflicts were fought by proxy (like at Fallen Timbers and the like) in a protracted drole de guerre or in the courts or by diplomatic missions such as Jay's treaty of 1794. The question of the northern and western borders of the United States, the question of the freedom of the seas, the question of impressment, the question of free trade, the question of hemispheric hegemony all were problems yet to be resolved. And most of them were resolved by the events of 1812.

It's always useful to distinguish the underlying reasons for a war from the actual cause. While the cause may seem to be causally more potent than these underlying reasons, without such reasons the spark that is the cause of war would never be able to ignite its souroundings into a state of war.

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If you can disprove it with a youtube video then by all means contact them with your proof and you'll get $100,000.

But ever since the 1990s no one has been able to do so. You would be the first.

Edit to add:

Did you even read the link? Or did you just jump to conclusions?

[edit on 17-8-2010 by elfulanozutan0]

As far as I have understood the Herer challenge up to now, it has nothing to do with the war of 1812. So I clicked on the link you provided...

And this is the contention that must be proved wrong, not 1812...

If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the Greenhouse Effect and stop deforestation...



Then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world’s paper and textiles; meeting all of the world’s transportation, industrial and home energy needs; simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil, and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time…



And that substance is—the same one that did it all before—



Cannabis Hemp…Marijuana!

But yeah, anyways, whatever.

I've got to agree with most of the people on here and say that there was a lot more than hemp that lead to the war of 1812.

I really see it as a second war of independence for the United States, and of course the entire reason the British Empire wanted the United States back in the fold so to speak was economic.

Hemp was big business back then, and a vital component in defense. Imagine how much hemp rope was needed to rig one of those massive ships of the line, now think about how many of those GB had!

There were a great many other resources the US had that GB wanted as well, just look at what the US has! At that point in time it was a barely touched treasure trove.

Originally posted by elfulanozutan0
reply to post by zzombie

Did you even read the link? Or did you just jump to conclusions?

I'll ask the same question, did you watch the youtube video or just jump to conclusions

1811: The charter for the Rothschilds Bank of the United States runs out and Congress votes against its renewal. Nathan Mayer Rothschild is not amused and he states, "Either the application for renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war."

However the United States stands firm and the Charter is not renewed, which causes Nathan Mayer Rothschild to issue another threat,
"Teach those impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to colonial status."

1812: Backed by Rothschild money, and Nathan Mayer Rothschild's orders, the British declare war on the United States. The Rothschilds plan was to cause the United States to build up such a debt in fighting this war that they would have to surrender to the Rothschilds and allow the charter for the Rothschild owned First Bank of the United States to be renewed.

www.iamthewitness.com...

I can't get over the fact that even the guy who posted this thread didn't even read the link. I fail to find any challenge as to 1812 in the link.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
Being from the Netherlands and consuming marijuana frequently, I can tell you that no army will "operate" (in any conventional way) after having consumed marijuana.....

But did you know that during the first world war, the Netherlands was the main supplier of coc aine (because of their colony in Indonesia) to both the allied troops and German troops??

They sold it to countries involved in the war and those would supply it to their troops across the front so they would be willing to leave their trenches and face certain death while running into enemy fire...

They even made arrangements with all party's that they would be the only supplier of the coc aine.

All while remaining neutral in this conflict...

History can be fun!!

Oh....MY....God..

I feel it's appropriate to apologize to the OP for the completely off-topic, incoherent and ignorant post I created.

Boys and Girls,

Listen to uncle Mindcrime when I say:" Drugs and social interaction do not mix!!"

(Incidentally the product name that made my brain go loopy yesterday was "Jack Herer".... )

Peace

I am sorry, but this is ridiculous. Go look at the history of the War of 1812. Hell, look at it on Wikepedia even. I know much of wikepedia can be false, but most is not.

The bttom line is to claim that the war was fought over hemp is an outright lie, or at the very least a MAJOR exageration. A main factor, but no the only factor, was trade between the US and everyone (especially France) besides England. Engalnd wanted to restrict the trade.

Naturally, part of the trade was hemp, but so were MANY other products. They were not the reason for the war, it was Britain trying to supress the US's legal right to free trade with other nations; whether it be hemp or any other product.


The REAL thing you should be writing or posting about is WHY hemp plants are illegal and why hemp is not thriving in the agriculture community today. I do not smoke weed but I think it should be legal and I think hemp should be utilized. It is a very effective and efficient crop.