Lucus And The Return Of Planet X!

reply to post by luxordelphi


How many scientists do you know? How many scientific meetings have you attended? These sorts of blanket statements are tossed out rather frivolously. The Greeks knew the Earth could not be flat because they knew that the position of the stars changed as you moved north-south. They reasoned that the Earth could not be flat. This turned into an important navigation method for seafarers. To claim that this was not known verges on the silly. Take a look at this:
Astrolabe

An early astrolabe was invented in the Hellenistic world in 150 BC and is often attributed to Hipparchus. A marriage of the planisphere and dioptra, the astrolabe was effectively an analog calculator capable of working out several different kinds of problems in spherical astronomy. Theon of Alexandria wrote a detailed treatise on the astrolabe, and Lewis (2001) argues that Ptolemy used an astrolabe to make the astronomical observations recorded in the Tetrabiblos.

reply to post by Xcalibur254

Didn't know - live & learn.

reply to post by stereologist

My father was a scientist, as an example of one of the scientists that I knew and know. He taught me about Euclidian and hyperbolic space when I was 6. When I was 7 or 8 he took me to play tic-tac-toe with the first computer at the university where he worked - a piece of machinery that took up an entire office. I'm not going to further refute your callous statement with a list because this is not a social networking site and I prefer my observations and posts to be taken in the moment, without background.

I was taught in school that in the middle ages people believed the earth to be flat. At the time I was shown maps to prove this. I had no idea before xcaliber's comment that this was created history. My point to you was that in the middle ages, as now, scientists were/are terrorized. For different reasons. Astronomers, then as now, particularly, were/are under close scrutiny. The church then wanted the people to believe that the earth was the center and the church head the law. Just like now. Exchange the word church with state.

And, BTB, reading the PDF link that Unity supplied gives some insight into the very real terror that the scientific community experiences when contemplating disclosure and the lengths, codes, secret messages etc. that have to be endured in order to get any real information to the public.

reply to post by luxordelphi


I apologize. You certainly are acquainted with people that have been in scientific fields.

Your description of the tic-tac-toe game reminds me of playing the game on a computer back in the days of the Mercury program. Thanks for bringing that memory back.

Although you certainly have been around scientists I can state that my experience has been that scientists are not terrorized. There are scientists in private industry and in government. I have worked with both. I have worked people in universities. I have worked with people in secret government labs.

Here's a funny story. Driving out of the base there was a small hand painted sign pointing out into the desert and it said, "Alien landing strip this way." Almost went off the road I laughed so hard.

Scientists are not terrorized. They wouldn't all stay where they are if they were terrorized. If you can get to a meeting where there are posters and you can get in without paying an exorbitant entry fee. Conferences at universities are usually open to the public. The discussions can be anywhere from amicable to heated. If someone has a reputation based on 30 years of research and some upstart shows up and claims otherwise it can be - shall we say - a spectacle.

It's too bad that notions such as people in the Middle Ages thought the world was flat ends up being taught. On the other hand, these incorrect ideas get ferreted out and fixed. It is a slow process at times. The ancient Greeks spent over a 100 years deciding that the morning star and evening star were the same planet.

Anyways, I apologize for my callous comments. Cheers.

reply to post by stereologist


Speaking of conferences, I presented at one of the major psychology ones in May and one of the symposiums was on alien abduction. They had two of the major skeptics who originally presented the sleep paralysis theory, another psychologist who believed there was more to abductions, and Budd Hopkins. So, if scientists were being terrorized there shouldn't have been any believers, and there certainly shouldn't have been a discussion on alien abductions at a major conference.

reply to post by stereologist

Thankyou for that then and I'm certainly glad that was settled with a bit of engineering humor.

Back to the original topic of the thread which was a radio broadcast with guests Lucus and a Dr. Jason Rand. The reason for the broadcast was to discuss why, as of August 6 of this year, NEO tracking had been on stand down or had been ordered to stand down. Other statements were made that in 2009 space rocks had been classified top secret and seismologists had been told not to release information without first checking with the NSA.

The discussion opened with a bit of historical data noting that it was NASA, itself, that in 1983, using IRIS, spotted something big; it was NASA who said at the time where it was and it was NASA that said it was heading our way. It was NASA that called it Planet X and it was NASA that in 1984 called it a brown dwarf. Just saying.

reply to post by luxordelphi


Actually it was an astronomer that was studying the IRAS data that said there were interesting parts of the data that could not be explained. The reason for that was that this was a new type of instrument.

1. "spotted something big" - yup, a galaxy
   
2. "it was NASA who said at the time where it was" Actually all they gave was a direction since they did not know the distance.
   
3. "and it was NASA that said it was heading our way" - No, that was the report, not the astronomer.
   
4. "It was NASA that called it Planet X" - No again. That was a name given to a possible planet before NASA even existed.
   
5. "it was NASA that in 1984 called it a brown dwarf" Not to my knowledge. In 1984 it was reported as a galaxy.
   

So all of these claims seem to hinge on the ability of a reporter to report what was told to them. Wow. That's pitiful. So another reporter gets the story a bit off. Wow. Hard to believe - NOT!

Nothing has to do with IRAS. This is a discussion of the ability of a report to report. Heaven's sakes. Nothing has to do with astronomy or the results of the peer reviewed journals or anything about the amazing galaxies discovered by IRAS.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


That must have been exciting at times. I've seen people really put out by such studies as the neurogenesis in rats. In essence, is there a dramatic reorganization of the rat brain in the first few days in the development of the embryo.

That was probably a heated discussion at times.

I recall a heated discussion once on the issue of measurement through the oculars of the microscope. It may seem trivial, but there were a stack of published papers, i.e. careers, in the balance.

reply to post by stereologist

Your statements, A through E, are hearsay since I'm assuming you were neither the reporter nor the astronomer. Your interpretation of their hearts and minds is neither accurate nor incaccurate - it's just your interpretation.

But perhaps you were a fly on the wall with insider information on the latest stand down and I would be interested to hear that. This was the order to stand down regarding tracking of NEO's.

Reading through the PDF file that Unity presented I found an interesting statement by the Boeing contractor, "...being called back for 1430..."

A preliminary search of 1430BC brought up the Exodus, the Flood and some interesting earth changes, rivers and lakes exploding and overflowing and spontaneously coming into existence, in Ireland, as described in the 'Annals of the Masters.' Maybe Don Yeomans with his 55 ephemerides was right and the search for a cyclical recurrence should be expanded to cover 3200, 3400 and 3800 years.

On again about the PDF file and the lack of electrons - this probably means that my generator is not going to do me any good.

hey stereo,

More evidence just merged and proof the great world flood happened. It is called the Sumerian kings list.



It shows kings before and after the flood. Even shows the tablets so people won't say no pictures of tablets it is just a hoax.

enjoy =)

reply to post by luxordelphi


It really makes you think did the church know of these events as well? They have a vast library of secret knowledge. They also know the true truth as well and they probably feared it. But those bastards are hypocrites and now they have that telescope now or should I say a giant observatory and it is nicknamed Lucifer.

lol how ironic.



[edit on 28-8-2010 by dragnet53]

reply to post by luxordelphi


You'd be mistaken.
A. Published in a series of articles in the mid 80's.
B. In the newspaper article.
C. The astronomer is not quoted as saying that. Read the newspaper article.
D. Again you are wrong. This was a name coined by Lowell in the mid 1800s and NASA was formed in 1958 some 100 years later.
E. Please show us where NASA called it a brown dwarf in 1984.

reply to post by luxordelphi


This PDF is by a supposed Boeing contractor.

There is no archaeological evidence for Exodus - nothing. Hard to date something when there is zero evidence for the event. There is no evidence for a global flood. Hard to date something when there is zero evidence for the event.

reply to post by dragnet53

More evidence just merged and proof the great world flood happened.

There is zero geological evidence for a global flood. The archaeological evidence makes it impossible for a global flood. For all times there is a place where people lived continuously across the time. That excludes a flood as described in the bible.

The interesting part of the flood dates is that it gets placed all over the time line. There is no agreement as to when it happened. A lot of people place it right across the Middle Kingdom of Egypt.

reply to post by dragnet53

Search YouTube for 'Project Camelot interviews Leo Zagami.' It is in 3 parts. I have watched 1.7 of them over the past evening and it is riveting to learn from an Illuminati whistleblower about the inner workings of this church. Like a spider, weaving a web of lies, the church seems to have an agenda with this telescope in Vatican City and Zagami offers some explanation of this.

reply to post by stereologist

When I first started to read your post I thought you were going to say there is no archeological evidence for the Boeing contractor. Lol...that is a true statement. BUT, we, you and me, are on a virtual site - "be all that you can be" rah rah rah and there is no archeological evidence for us either.

There was a show I watched on 'National Geographic' or the 'History Channel' or 'PBS' very recently stating a case for a world wide flood event. Something about waters coming out of the deeps. Based on a study which involved a serious grant. I'll see if I can find it. Although I don't think The Flood is the cycle we're looking to discredit here. I'm not a Bible buff but I am fortunate in having a friend who is and he tells me that The Flood had a special purpose outside of other cycles and it was to purge the earth of undesireable elements and make the neighborhood safe again for human beings.

Your statement about archeological evidence for The Exodus...I'm going to go with the Boeing contractor on this one with that persons' reference to 1430. In the past 10 years anomalies in constants are at a point where, like a person, beyond a certain number of years, looks in the mirror one day and realizes they are a wreck, I want to revisit all presuppositions.

reply to post by luxordelphi


There are a number of problems with the exodus. Here are some.

1. The bible never mentions the pyramids
2. The Egyptians never mention a large Hebrew slave population
3. The loss of such a large number of people was not reported by the Egyptians
4. There is no loss in economic power due to the loss of slave labor
5. There is no loss of military power due to the loss of an Egyptian army
6. There is no evidence of a large number of people living in the desert
7. There is no evidence that an outside force conquered the cities named in the bible.

Even David was without evidence until the Dan stela was unearthed in 1998 I believe. It was put up by a conqueror that states they were victorious over a king of the house of David. I'm not saying that something won't be found. I'm saying that there is no evidence to date supporting this event other than the bible.

The reason for the flood is given in the bible. But the event does not appear to have happened. It appears to be a bronze age myth reworked from earlier stories.

reply to post by stereologist


LOL the broken record speaketh.

give it a rest please.