Hollywood lied to you about Russians being cold and grim! Total proof!

Originally posted by WWu777
In contrast, look what happened to my friend Kairosan when he tried to talk to strangers in Philadelphia. lol

Hmm, well, I could come in the thread to say alot and maybe later I will. Was the guy talking the one greeting? I mean, he sounded angry and cynical as hell in his tone in a way that reminded me of a certain drunken and frustrated family member.

I'll quickly summarized what all this is: it's the result of mental abuse, and America is the abuser. Sometimes the victim is too afraid to leave or say anything bad about the abuser.

Any reason why happierabroad.com is all about "foreign" hotties? (Oh, yeah, everyone everywhere else is a "foreigner" even when you're in their native lands)


[edit on 8/16/2010 by EnlightenUp]

Originally posted by anthbes
The media has turned me into a prude? Your argument has no backing. I am friendly and outgoing and meet girls on a daily basis. I am just not creeping around with a camera panning up and down saying these women are hot and have nice legs. Perhaps you should just learn how to approach people properly and you will find it much easier to meet people in Japan or America. I am from Canada and go to the States regularly and people are easy to talk to as long as your not filming them when they don't want to be.

Yes it does. It is your argument that has no backing. Just cause I like to meet girls and film them doesn't make me bad. There is nothing wrong with it unless you're a paranoid prude. If I didn't film them you wouldn't see them here. Duh. In Russia, the standards and vibe is totally different. What's creepish to you isn't creepish there. It's a different matrix.

Don't apply your puritanical standards to the rest of the world.

You don't know the deprivation people like me suffered.

I have approached more people than you imagine. I've tried it all. My European friends say women in the US are harder to approach than anywhere in Europe.

It's a fact. Deal with it.

I have a TON of real testimonies to back up these real claims. Look here:

www.happierabroad.com...

Undeniable.

Btw, you can't compare US and Canada. People in those countries chat with you casually about the weather, etc. very polite stuff. But they aren't going to invite you to do stuff or go out with you.

Example, in Seattle you talk to a girl about sailing. She will talk a little about it back. But if you say "let's go sailing together sometime" then you're a creep in her eyes. You've broken the social boundary. That's the truth.

Look here at this short documentary about the Seattle Freeze and how hard it is to make friends there:



Also, here is my friend Steve in Ohio admitting that I was right, and that Americans are so socially disconnected, no matter how much you try to deny it.



[edit on 16-8-2010 by WWu777]

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by WWu777
In contrast, look what happened to my friend Kairosan when he tried to talk to strangers in Philadelphia. lol

Hmm, well, I could come in the thread to say alot and maybe later I will. Was the guy talking the one greeting? I mean, he sounded angry and cynical as hell in his tone in a way that reminded me of a certain drunken and frustrated family member.

I'll quickly summarized what all this is: it's the result of mental abuse, and America is the abuser. Sometimes the victim is too afraid to leave or say anything bad about the abuser.

Any reason why happierabroad.com is all about "foreign" hotties? (Oh, yeah, everyone everywhere else is a "foreigner" even when you're in their native lands)


[edit on 8/16/2010 by EnlightenUp]

Happier Abroad is not all about foreign hotties. Where did you get that idea? It's about international dating, living and freedom beyond America. Also about better mental health, fulfillment and social connection overseas, which many HAVE experienced, but is a taboo subject to talk about publicly. (because people like you get mad and offended if it's discussed openly, that's why truth is such a taboo)

He was angry and frustrated cause the people were antisocial. Accept the truth.

If you'd like to challenge this, then use your own hidden cam and film yourself approaching strangers in America and see how YOU do! Prove it. Or you are all talk.

There are many cheap hidden cams here on Ebay:

shop.ebay.com...

[edit on 16-8-2010 by WWu777]

Listen to this heartfelt rant about why we experience REAL FREEDOM in the third world. This is authentic and unlike anything you've ever seen before. Certainly nothing you'd ever see in mainstream media.

www.happierabroad.com...

“As many know here, we could list several third world spots where you can much more easily go up to strangers and talk to them. I think most would agree that doing so in France, Germany, Spain, etc. can be more difficult. Definitely not as tense as the U.S. but still not as easy as third world spots.

Put me in Paraguay for a week then put me in France for a week. Guarantee I will make way more friends and girlfriends in Paraguay.

A good deal of Western lands are infamous for tighter cliques, and they are taking life at times way too seriously, as well as judging and analyzing too much.
The irony is that people in third world lands tend to have tougher times, tougher conditions, yet seem warmer in ways and more open.

I would add, as an aside, I myself know of a large amount of various Europeans who were also fed up in their native lands and moved on to southeast asia and latin america, so this has to say something of sorts, the same as the fleeing from the U.S.

Some at this forum have done ok in western & northern Europe, but I think they would also agree, third world lands can be much easier with less of the barriers for meeting others, and relationships seem less complicated.

Something I would like Larry (or someone else) to discuss in the next interview, is the actual freedom they experience in the non-Western lands.

I've experienced it, but I'm not the one being interviewed.
To let listeners know that there is much less judgement in third world lands.

Humans judge, it's natural and part of a survival skill, but we see people in Western lands going too far. Maybe it has helped their societies to weed out the "losers". Who only knows.

Certainly though there is high judgement. We've all heard others around us making fun of someone else. I've heard and noticed all sorts of terrible, unnecessary things, from all ages and all classes. Whether it's the U.S., Canada, western/northern Europe, etc.

Someone is made fun of because they sit at their table "oddly". I saw them - they were only resting their chin on the back of their hands. Who cares!
Or someone was made fun of because they had swirls on their collar of their shirt. My word! Who cares! I thought overall they looked fine.
The list could go on and on.

Now, what this can tend to do to individuals who are not badboy, jerks & bold not caring what anyone thinks, it can make your average joe (or even sally) feel that if everything is not perfectly in place, or if they are not sitting or walking just right, they will be judged and of course in ways outcasted.
Whether or not they are actually being judged, they will still feel as if so simply because we've learned over and over that people actually do this!

Transport yourself to a third world land and the change is amazing! Sure, you're being judged, but it's an overall general action of you being simply an outsider. They either pay no mind, or simply don't care if you sit at the table a little differently or have swirls in your collar, etc.

THIS is freedom!

I think aside from the other perks such as more easily meeting people, and females of course, many expats are lured by other things, some they are not aware of, and I would bet, this feeling of more freedom I just described, is one of them.
As a human. As a social being, this is very important!

Even when in relations with women from third world lands, it seems to flow better, more free, because you know you are not being analyzed as heavily, and if they do find something out of place, it's not a big deal. As well, there are way less hoops to jump through.

Let's say you kiss your lady. I've heard too many times from Western girls talking to others, or to myself, of how their man was too sloppy, came in at an odd angle, kissed too long, and on and on. Even if you are a secure guy, knowing all this judgement is out there when no one is perfect, still can make a person feel on edge as if always being judged.
Kiss a lady from a third world area and you really know they are not thinking like this so heavily! Yes they may notice some things, but they just let it go and it doesn't get in the way of the flow. Or they simply do not even notice.

Here again are more feelings of freedom, less to no inhibitions.

Please, one your guys being interviewed, touch on this. It is part of the lure of others going abroad and part of what keeps them there. I don't think all realize it. They're just enjoying themselves and the large weight lifted, but don't know specifically why.

If you agree, then please discuss some of these differences between Western and non-Western lands.
This is not just an American or anglo-land issue.
It is definitely a step up going from the U.S. or Canada to western/northern Europe for example, but once you go to several of these third world lands, it's easy to get hooked to the feeling of higher freedom, easier flow (not referring to infrastructure), simplicity, humble natures, etc. and therefore desire less to return to even Europe and most definitely not to the U.S. Lower cost of living also is a lure as well.

Appreciate the interviews. Keep them up!”

reply to post by WWu777

Why should the truth, fun and hot young girls make you feel creepy? Are you a prude?

I thought we came to ATS to learn the truth about everything? Are you now saying we should be censored and apply taboos to certain topics?

There is nothing wrong with liking hot girls. It's natural.

It's the media that suppresses that, so you remain a weak slave.

Don't fall for it.

the truth, fun and hot young girls do not make me feel creepy... its your attitude that makes me feel creepy... sorry

I am not a prude... i appreciate the female form as much as any red blooded male...

However, i also repesct them.

Dont mean to be rude... but some aspects of the thread sound a little immature...

I feel that you have a very valid point regarding holywood stereotyping... but you fail to make that point if you simply treat people as sex objects for your personal gratification and then say words to the effect of...

"look everyone, these girls are great because they will sleep with me!!!"

It almost sounds as if you are saying...

Russian girls are great because they will have sex with me

American girls are crap because they think I’m an idiot

Nothing to do with me being a prude... everything to do with this video and your attitude seeming to be sexist, immature, manipulative, exploitative and showing a lack of respect.

Everything, it seems, you would accuse Hollywood of being...

Which is why i can’t help but wonder if this is some warped piece of satire of sarcasm.

I've said my piece... i shall leave it at that.

Peace






[edit on 16-8-2010 by Muckster]

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by WWu777

 

Why should the truth, fun and hot young girls make you feel creepy? Are you a prude?

I thought we came to ATS to learn the truth about everything? Are you now saying we should be censored and apply taboos to certain topics?

There is nothing wrong with liking hot girls. It's natural.

It's the media that suppresses that, so you remain a weak slave.

Don't fall for it.

the truth, fun and hot young girls do not make me feel creepy... its your attitude that makes me feel creepy... sorry

I am not a prude... i appreciate the female form as much as any red blooded male...

However, i also repesct them.

Dont mean to be rude... but some aspects of the thread sound a little immature...

I feel that you have a very valid point regarding holywood stereotyping... but you fail to make that point if you simply treat people as sex objects for your personal gratification and then say...

"look everyone, these girls are great because they will sleep with me!!!"

It almost sounds as if you are saying...

Russian girls are great because they will have sex with me

American girls are crap because they think I’m an idiot

Nothing to do with me being a prude... everything to do with this video and your attitude seeming to be sexist, immature, manipulative, exploitative and showing a lack of respect.

Everything, it seems, you would accuse Hollywood of being...

Which is why i can’t help but wonder if this is some warped piece of satire of sarcasm.

I've said my piece... i shall leave it at that.

Peace




[edit on 16-8-2010 by Muckster]

But I DIDN'T say that Russian girls are great cause they'll sleep with me. I said they're great cause they are APPROACHABLE and not stuck up. That was made clear in the video.

You are only hearing an edited version of what your mind wants to hear. The misinterpretation is on your end, not mine. You are putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting me.

That's not right dude. At least I don't misrepresent people.

its true about people in the big cities not saying hi to everyone but i think this would be true in any big city in the world. the only exception would be that a lot of people around the world go goo goo ga ga for americans or anyone with an english accent due to the fact that the majority of people even though they might be against our foreign policy, are in love with our culture, baseball, movies, music etc etc...

its also true that we have crappy food for the most part in the us, due to the frantic pursuit of the almighty dollar we have less time to make a decent homecooked meal even then our groceries are probably corrupted as well.

on the other hand women for the most part in america are approachable as long as they are not married or taken + you just gotta have the right swagger as they say nowadays. putting a camera in girls faces will not work in the us unless you are at daytona beach, have a wad of cash behind the camera, and are working for girls gone wild! lol

sorry about your experience in the states, but for the most part i would say the majority of us are nice, and even though not everyone will exchange pleasentries, i try to keep my attitude up and say hi to people who make eye contact with me on the street.

I am from Russia and now living in the United States in New York. Everything that Hollywood portrays of Russians is left overs from the times of Communism when people were not so friendly to one another and especially weary of strangers. People were cold and if you smiled at a stranger they would think you were crazy and possible report you to the authorities for being on drugs, being crazy, or being up to something! I know first hand how it was during these times...However now Russia is full of happy bright people and they are just like they are here in the U.S. When asked of the differences between Russia and the United States, I often say "The only difference is that they speak a different language and there are few to no black people there." The movies portray a ridiculous image that should be ignored as a past generations ways of life. America and Russia are no different other than our languages, ethnicity, and some other minor things...

LifENcircleS

reply to post by WWu777


No, it's not taboo to me. I'm not mad (why are you projecting that onto me? the filmer's tone would not warm the cockles my heart though). I get a different feeling just staying in Puerto Rico, which I wouldn't label as all fuzzy and coochie-coochie, but it feels fairly decent and yet it's part of the U.S. of course.

My current girlfriend who I have been with for over a decade now is from there and has also lived in Norway (primarily), Sweden and The Soviet Union (which also enlightens one in other ways regarding Democratic Socialism vs. Communism which many Americans cannot properly distinguish).

Actually, I always hold the door for people if I am able. People do it for me quite often as well. Noone seems shocked and awed. It's not all terribly rude through-and-through. I should also point out that where I am is not a "big city".

Sometimes though, I want to hide. I don't want to talk to anyone. It could be depression exacerbated by the sort of culture I live in, one that you are conditioned to be afraid to venture outside of. I'm not afraid to, but it is sort of grim and cold and have considered leaving if anyone would take me! Other times, I'm thinking too much about a thing and it disrupts that.

One way they trap you is not teaching second or third languages, at least not until you're fairly old which makes the whole task more laborious for most. And that's if you have a decent school system and alot of cash to live within its boundaries. Otherwise, being a polyglot (esp. using it) is implicitly frowned upon as taboo.

There is also the conditioning received, which I suspect is common except among the "elites": If you don't like it, go live in another country and see how you like it which is intended to imply that everwhere else in the world is a trash-infested ghetto where you'll be skinned alive-- only in the U.S. could you possibly be free!

Terrible, terrible brainwashing, I'm tellin' ya!

So, yeah, I agree on the overall message of the OP.

The site seemed geared towards attracting "desperate males" though (Can't get a date?...run away j/k). Of course, if you've honestly tried here in the U.S. and found the people just plain unsettling, I can understand the need for a change of venue.

I am friends with a handful of Russians and a Bulgarian.

Yes, their disposition is a bit different than that of your typical, upper-middle class American. They all have a difficult time relating to their co-workers and neighbors, thus they tend to socialize mostly within a close circle. One very easily could classify most of them as "cold or grim." They have a different perspective on life than your typical suburban American upbringing. Let's take my Bulgarian friend as an example:

She grew up in Bulgaria. Her father was a General in the army, her mother a doctor. They were considered quite wealthy by Bulgarian standards. Designer clothes and vacations overseas. Despite that life was still very grim at times. She and her brother would frequently get mugged for their clothing. Power to the house was cut off more than once by gangsters. One time they were even drugged in their sleep while the house was torn apart. All intimidation tactics for protection money. .

Quite a different upbringing than her lackadaisical American counterpart! Yes, Russians and Eastern Europeans seem a bit more "grim" or serious than the typical spoiled American. And for good reason.

reply to post by WWu777


Sorry dude... you are correct... you didn’t say that.

Forgive my poor writting... what i ment was "words to the effect of" but for some reason i didnt type that... Sorry

the shame here is that i agree with your OP... i star + flagged it... But i feel uncomfortable with your attitude towards women so, while i agree with your overall message, i do not like the arguments you use to make your point.

As someone else pointed out... it sounds like an advert for desperate perverts, showing them where to go to get an easy lay... which is surely detrimental to reputation of the country you are trying to defend?

Well that how i see it... oh... ive edited my last post to show what i meant.

Apologies again... i did not mean to misrepresent you but was trying to show how it seemed in my mind (and maybe others)

Peace


[edit on 16-8-2010 by Muckster]

Id have to agree.....to an extent.

I went to Russian in 1993 just after the fall of communism. I flew in to Moscow and drove days down to Tolyatti stayed awhile and drove back. Spent a month total in Russia. Im sure Russia back then is VERY VERY VERY different than it is now.

Before I left for Russia I viewed - in my mind - it to look and seem a certain way. I thought it would all appear black and white, almost literally. I expected very cold bitter people who never smiled.

I didnt go as a tourist. I visited non-touristy places. I went into the locals homes and ate with them, rather than restaurants. I got a good feeling of Russians on a personal level.

I was right and I was wrong. Being just after the fall of communism there was a combination of the cold bitter non smiling people that many expected to see and the happy hopeful people. I experienced warmth and love from majority I met. But also experienced the cold bitterness that probably developed over the years of living in such an environment as USSR was.

Outside of Moscow and driving south the countryside was absolutely beautiful. Untouched landscapes. Some of the towns I stopped in were so poor they had no running water or electricity. Yet the people came out of their homes and wanted to invite us in and feed us.

In Tolyatti at that time was overrun by Armenian "mafia" (for lack of better words). The streets were filled with children runaways/throwaways. And I wont even get into the condition they were living in and how they supported themselves.

Now. In 2010, I do not think that Hollywood or the media portrays Russia to be anything but a trendy modern country. What I see on the news and in movies is wealthy young trendy beautiful people who are sucessful and living life to the fullest.

I hope to go back someday so I can see the huge changes. Russia was one of the best experiences of my life.

[edit on August 16th 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Two or three years ago, Russia planted a flag, under water on their continental shelf, in the Arctic near the north pole, to place a claim on resources.

Shortly after that, one of our comedy shows (I think it was Air Farce) went over and planted a flag in Moscow, on the Red Square, and started handing out Cdn flags to everyone that walked past while filming the show.

They got a lot of laughs from the Russians, and the tourists that were there. Many happily took a Cdn flag also. They definitely seemed like a very friendly bunch of people.

Can you provide some background to what is going on at 2:33 in the second video on this thread. Why are you getting her to kiss on camera? Seems rather exploitative to me.

reply to post by Muckster


"As someone else pointed out... it sounds like an advert for desperate perverts, showing them where to go to get an easy lay... which is surely detrimental to reputation of the country you are trying to defend?"

or goto 3rd world countries where people are easy to chat up?

I have a friend that is a retired officer from the Russian military. He's a former communist SOB who recently became an America citizen. Graduated from Moscow university at height of cold war in the early 60's. We have interesting discussions and I must admit, he has changed my mind about post communist Russia. My thoughts against communism, in general, will never be changed.

I find him friendly, slightly extroverted, and generally interesting to be around. He has a deep seated hatred towards Jews I have never understood. I have often told him, the only difference between him and the nazies was language.

I have a high respect for the old the communist guard that fought WW2, little respect for those who followed. Does Val represent all Russians, I doubt it. But he is an indicator of the Russian people. So I do have hope for them.

years ago I owned a Tattoo shop in Seattle and fro a few years seasonally we would get Russian Seamen , laugh haha you have to hear them say it so funny !they spoke no English and we would communicate in sign language, and gestures

so anyway they would always, always pass out!!! and I mean every last one of them and I don't mean just go out for a second I mean pass out stay out soil themselves the whole nine

It got so we dreaded seeing them because of this

Our joke became this ,..Okay I longer believe the stories of torture in the Gulags, how can you torture such a woozy people? All you have to do is give them a manicure and they're passing out and puking

okay I realize you had to be there , but it is true

other than that they seemed nice enough

Muckster,
If that last video offended you, perhaps these parts before it will be more tame for you

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
its true about people in the big cities not saying hi to everyone but i think this would be true in any big city in the world. the only exception would be that a lot of people around the world go goo goo ga ga for americans or anyone with an english accent due to the fact that the majority of people even though they might be against our foreign policy, are in love with our culture, baseball, movies, music etc etc...

its also true that we have crappy food for the most part in the us, due to the frantic pursuit of the almighty dollar we have less time to make a decent homecooked meal even then our groceries are probably corrupted as well.

on the other hand women for the most part in america are approachable as long as they are not married or taken + you just gotta have the right swagger as they say nowadays. putting a camera in girls faces will not work in the us unless you are at daytona beach, have a wad of cash behind the camera, and are working for girls gone wild! lol

sorry about your experience in the states, but for the most part i would say the majority of us are nice, and even though not everyone will exchange pleasentries, i try to keep my attitude up and say hi to people who make eye contact with me on the street.

That's not true at all. People are different everywhere depending on location. Your response is that of a typical American who never travels for long.

Location is everything. Here is proof from many real people:

www.happierabroad.com...

I was in Moscow a lot, and it was VERY easy to chat up people there, not like NYC. The Russians have no paranoia toward strangers. The difference was HUGE. I swear to God.

Here is firsthand proof from a girl I stopped by the river in Moscow.



Try that in NYC and get it on camera.

The incident you see above in the video was NOT unique. I met THOUSANDS of people in Russia during the year that I was there, in a similar manner.

In the US I can hardly meet anybody. HUGE HUGE contrast. I swear to God.

So quit your politically correct claptrap. It ain't true. I know that to a 1000 percent certainty.

Originally posted by LifENcircleS
I am from Russia and now living in the United States in New York. Everything that Hollywood portrays of Russians is left overs from the times of Communism when people were not so friendly to one another and especially weary of strangers. People were cold and if you smiled at a stranger they would think you were crazy and possible report you to the authorities for being on drugs, being crazy, or being up to something! I know first hand how it was during these times...However now

Russia is full of happy bright people and they are just like they are here in the U.S. When asked of the differences between Russia and the United States, I often say "The only difference is that they speak a different language and there are few to no black people there." The movies portray a ridiculous image that should be ignored as a past generations ways of life. America and Russia are no different other than our languages, ethnicity, and some other minor things...

LifENcircleS

I can't believe you are from Russia. No one from Russia that I know would say that Americans and Russians are the same. There are many differences that are obvious. MANY differences. If you can't see them by now, well I can't help you.

Ask any American who spent a lot of time in Russia and he will also tell you that they are a world of difference.

Listen to what this Russian woman wrote me:

“Hello!

I by chance (looking actually at a completely different forum) encountered your site, and decided I simply HAVE to add my story/point of view...have to say it is all within the lines of what I've read (how immigrants view America/Americans...

I moved here 13 years ago, never planned, but that man met me in my home city, and couldn't leave alone for 2 years, which eventually ended up in marriage (me being very young, unaware of life, without life's wisdom)...we first lived in Texas...boondocks. I ma from Russia, country of soul, of mystics, of rich inner world, of great culture, literature, etc....What striked me to the point of not possible to put in words there: IGNORANCE (enough was said in your page there. same things, ppl not knowing the map of the world, geography, their own culture not talking about other cultures...back in Russia I did not even KNOW such things, this level of ignorance, is possible in the world...

2. Fakeness...again, ppl are not real, all wear masks, all pretend, a huge fake hypocritical, cold, indifferent, spiritless world. I felt I was communicating with lunatics or imbeciles. In Russia, no matter what profession or education one has, such thing as common sense is always present in a person, in every plummer, every peasant, every cleaner, etc. Here, even ppl with college degrees have no common sense in them. The very few OK Americans I met were from university from the Languages Dep, those who were deeply in touch with European cultures, people, mentality...

Anyway, then arn 9 years ago we moved to Arizona; Arizona is MUCH better than TX I have to admit, but the general American tendencies are no less ever present here, too.

Coldness, indifference, hypocrisy, lack of refinement, of culture, of common sense, of spirituality, of compassion are the most horrible characteristics of this country and its ppl. I would agree also to call it "insane asylum". This inner emptiness drives them to horde malls on the weekends, to look for their "bargains" and "specials", and to pass by others of their own kind that are in need.

I feel it is a Devil's place, a Devil's Kingdom on Earth par excellence. This world sucks on the whole, but in other places of this dark planet there is some soul lives on, some Spirit dwells in people's hearts still, and that soothes the trials of our every day existence. Here, in the US, the cruelty of their empty human hearts, which they call "individualism" is beyond belief. They are empty, cruel, soulless, spiritless, fake, dead ppl, automatons, biorobots. What else one can say...

Thank you for creating and bringing to the world your site, for the honesty and sincerity. Blessings “

This immigrant from Russia wrote me this long ago:

“Anyway, to cut a long story short, everything you wrote in your treatise is precisely to the point. I am a Russian who has lived in the States long enough to know. I came to the country expecting to find some flavor, as I had been able to do in France and Germany. Alas, what I ran into was a sea of blandness.

It took me a while to realize that there was a chasm of difference between the media picture of America and real life, but when the truth hit home, I felt very disappointed and empty. I even had a lapse of self-condemnation as I thought the problem was in me. I have gotten over it now and can see clearly. Your writing puts all the pieces of the puzzle together very well.”

Btw, I recently saw the movie "Sum of Measures" with Ben Affleck on cable and it was full of the same BS stereotypes about Russians. None of the actors used to portray Russians were even Russian or had a Russian accent.

Why do you think they never use real Russians in those movies? Think about it. Cause they do not want to show Russians as they really are.