The Great ATS Thought Experiment (LOA)

Please NO stars and flags allowed in this thread! I do Not want stars and flags, I want to see if we can get results.

Some of you may have heard of The Law of Attraction.

This "universal law" was popularized in the 2006 movie The Secret. The law states that; like attracts like.

Wikipedia puts it this way:

The phrase Law of Attraction, used widely by New Thought writers, refers to the idea that thoughts influence chance. The Law of Attraction argues that thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) can affect things outside the head, not just through motivation, but by other means. The Law of Attraction says that which is like unto itself is drawn.

en.wikipedia.org...

Other sources see it this way:

The Law of Attraction simply says that you attract into your life whatever you think about. Your dominant thoughts will find a way to manifest.

www.stevepavlina.com...

In the movie The Secret they claim this getting of things through thought (manifesting reality through thought) is 80% mental and 20% activity - if any activity is even required at all.

Sounds like Magic. Yet throughout the movie, The Secret they have lots of examples of people acquiring things, money, bikes, ect. without doing any work for it at all and other times, some work was done.

Many religions and philosophies have sayings that mirror the Law of Attraction.

I am posting about what the Bible has to say because I am familiar with this but these concepts go back many thousands of years and are found in almost every religion.

** If your not religious and don't want to know what the Bible says, just skip over this. I wrote it to illustrate my point but it is not necessary to the discussion that you know this.

On the question of Is The Law of Attraction supported by The Bible, The Bible says,

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Source - The King James version of The Holy Bible
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I propose we have a Thought Experiment that's ongoing for 3 months. Sometime in a couple of weeks we can set a start date after you have had time to see the movie The Secret or digest other free information on The Law of Attraction.

I will post links to free information as soon as I get all my sources together.

I propose we all take brief free lessons in the Law of Attraction and see if we cannot make it work for us. When results are obtained on your personal thought experiment, post it here in this thread.

If you do not get desired results or if you get results but in an unexpected form, such as your desires manifesting in an unexpected way, please post those also. In 3 months time from the start date, on the experiment deadline I will tabulate the data and post the results.

I Do want Skeptics and Non Spiritual people and people from All Religions and Sciences to take part in this experiment. In fact, the more non spiritual people the better because it is said that this Law of Attraction is supposed to be a universal law that will always work for everyone all the time. Please, keep an open mind and follow the instructions. (once they are posted)

Many ATS members have expertise in The Law of Attraction and if you would like to help contribute to form guidelines or advise, I surely welcome your input.

If your interested in taking part in this experiment please BOOKMARK this thread and U2U me so I can get a list of the people partaking and help send you updates on the experiment. Those that really want to star and flag can I suppose but I am not looking for stars and flags. I want results, if possible. Lets see if we can get this thing working.

More to come..







[edit on 15-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Hmmm, so now what?!

Please bear with me, for some reason ATS is only posting a small amount of my material, though there is much more in the edit buffer.. strange..
Edit:
Fixed.. somehow I screwed up the EX tags.



[edit on 15-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Okay bookmarked and ready to think a thought....a happy thought

2nd line...also if anyone feels the need to star and flag which is disallowed here
I won't mind if you want to use one of my posts...

You'll like this. It literally made me laugh out loud. It will likely be long, apologies.

Earlier today I was reading about the laws of attraction elsewhere, this was because of a conversation I had with a friend on Friday night.

I read the wikipedia article you quoted this afternoon, but was bloody starving and decided to go and cook. I was thinking about the whole idea of the laws of attraction while I was cooking, trying to figure out if it was possibly valid.

I do find that if I think positively more positive things will happen, but that could just be some kind of perceptual bias on my part, so I'm unconvinced. I have experienced a fair bit of slightly odd synchronicity over the last few years, but part of me can't get passed the idea it's all just random coincidence. I'm explaining this because I'm genuinely a sceptic when it comes to stuff like this, tho I do find it interesting and worth paying attention to.

Anyway....

Post-food I decided to have a look at ATS with the intention of searching for threads on the law of attraction, but as is almost always the case I had a click on a few of the recent threads and got utterly distracted by aliens, David Kelly theories and the cornicopia of idiotic muslim bashing threads.

I randomly clicked on this thread because it somehow fills my criteria for an interesting thread title. It didn't occur to me when I opened the tab that LOA stood for laws of attraction. I clicked a few other threads into new tabs and have been reading through them. Then I came to yours.

I just found it slightly odd that after thinking about the LOA (lol), and deciding I was going to come to ATS to find information on it with the intent of having a go (it can't do any harm surely), your experiment then presented itself to me apparently completely randomly and without any direct intervention on my part. I just did what I always do when I come to ATS, at no point did I actually actively look for what I originally came here for.

In theory it could be taken as some kind of circumstantial evidence that the LOA actually work as advertised?

Hmmmm.

Surely the philosophy and metaphysics forum should have its own beard stroking smiley?


edited for poor spelling.





[edit on 15-8-2010 by eightfold]

I can tell you that it does really work. I think it works the same as the placebo effect.

reply to post by eightfold

Thank you for that interesting post. An ATS Moderator - Skyfloating, has a top notch thread about LOA here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

and I first came to this information through this thread about the movie The Secret by carlitomoore: ( It has a few interesting video clips but I found and downloaded the movie) www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am new at this myself so I will be doing this for the first time with all of you.

If you search for The Secret and LOA and the law of attraction you will find many post on ATS about the subject.

I hope to have all the links to free info and a good LOA outline posted by sometime tomorrow.


[edit on 16-8-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


I have heard this myself.

My question would be if the placebo effect really does work.. then perhaps it was never really a "placebo" effect at all but the Universe delivering the goods the whole time. It changes how we think of how the placebo effect works.

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


Well what's placebo effect? subconsciousness or super-consciousness?

a good place to look at is
www.abraham-hicks.com...

i have just this week started to work with the LOA and i find it awesome that you have started this thread, this thread is part of my first manifestation " signs that the universe is listening to me" the day after i asked this question a tv programme in the uk had the LOA in the storyline. also i asked to see lots of butterflies something i dont see that often, and for the next two days all i saw were butterflies lol.

now im moving on to the bigger things money!! rangerover and megan fox well you cant blame a man for trying eh lol.

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
reply to post by Sinter Klaas

 

Well what's placebo effect? subconsciousness or super-consciousness?

Actually there is evidence to support this works.

I know I say I do not put much stock in religion, but this has
been proven via experiment to work as weird as that sounds.

A group that did the experiment verified the results with police
who laughed at them when they announced the experiment prior.

They stopped laughing after it proved true, and the ppl doing
it won an ignoble prize for it.

Hagelin received the prize for his "experimental conclusion that 4,000 trained meditators caused an 18 percent decrease in violent crime in Washington, D.C." [90]

Other efforts to raise the stock market failed I think because
their motives were selfish.

I think the group should have won the noble peace prize for
the effort as they ACTUALLY achieved a measurable increase
in peace.

This 'global consciousness' has been measured globally.

www.redorbit.com...

This experiment registered a global variation in random number
generation just before 911 and just before the Asian Tsunami.

They do not totally understand it, and they are still working
on understanding it, but something is going on.

noosphere.princeton.edu...

It has its detractors, some I am sure are members of one religion
or another, as this could be taken as a new competing religion.

I am just looking at the science of it, and it is quite odd.

You have to consider that these scientists are risking their
credibility to pursue this, so even in the face of the critics
I think it merits examination.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

For those who have not seen the movie The Secret, here are 100 quotes from the movie that may help with your understanding of The Law of Attraction.

1. We all work with one infinite power (call it God or The Universe or Your Higher Self depending on your beliefs.)

2. The Secret is the Law of Attraction (LOA)

3. Whatever is going on in your mind is what you are attracting

4. We are like magnets - like attract like. You become AND attract what
you think

5. Every thought has a frequency. Thoughts send out a magnetic energy

6. People think about what they don't want and attract more of the same

7. Thought = creation. If these thoughts are attached to powerful
emotions (good or bad) that speeds the creation

8. You attract your dominant thoughts

9. Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of
prosperity have it..etc..

10. It's not "wishful" thinking.

11. You can't have a universe without the mind entering into it

12. Choose your thoughts carefully .. you are a masterpiece of your life

13. It's OK that thoughts don't manifest into reality immediately (if we
saw a picture of an elephant and it instantly appeared, that would be
too soon)

14. EVERYTHING in your life you have attracted .. accept that fact ..
it's true.

15. Your thoughts cause your feelings

16. We don't need to complicate all the "reasons" behind our emotions.
It's much simpler than that. Two categories .. good feelings, bad
feelings.

17. Thoughts that bring about good feelings mean you are on the right
track. Thoughts that bring about bad feelings means you are not on the
right track.

18. Whatever it is you are feeling is a perfect reflection of what is in
the process of becoming

19. You get exactly what you are FEELING

20. Happy feelings will attract more happy circumstances

21. You can begin feeling whatever you want (even if it's not there)..
the universe will correspond to the nature of your song

22. What you focus on with your thought and feeling is what you attract
into your experience

23. What you think and what you feel and what actually manifests is
ALWAYS a match - no exception

24. Shift your awareness

25. "You create your own universe as you go along" Winston Churchill

26. It's important to feel good ( ( ( (((good))) ) ) )

27. You can change your emotion immediately .. by thinking of something
joyful, or singing a song, or remembering a happy experience

28. When you get the hang of this, before you know it you will KNOW you
are the creator

29. Life can and should be phenomenal .. and it will be when you
consciously apply the Law of Attraction

30. Universe will re-arrange itself accordingly

31. Start by using this sentence for all of your wants: "I'm so happy
and grateful now that.... "

32. You don't need to know HOW the universe is going to rearrange itself

33. LOA is simply figuring out for yourself what will generate the
positive feelings of having it NOW

34. You might get an inspired thought or idea to help you move towards
what you want faster

35. The universe likes SPEED. Don't delay, don't second-guess, don't
doubt..

36. When the opportunity or impulse is there .. ACT

37. You will attract everything you require - money, people,
connections.. PAY ATTENTION to what's being set in front of you

38. You can start with nothing .. and out of nothing or no way - a WAY
will be provided.

39. HOW LONG??? No rules on time .. the more aligned you are with
positive feelings the quicker things happen

40. Size is nothing to the universe (unlimited abundance if that's what
you wish) We make the rules on size and time

41. No rules according to the universe .. you provide the feelings of
having it now and the universe will respond

42. Most people offer the majority of their thought in response to what
they are observing (bills in the mail, being late, having bad
luck...etc..)

43. You have to find a different approach to what is through a different
vantage point

44. "All that we are is a result of what we have thought" - Buddha

45. What can you do right now to turn your life around?? Gratitude

46. Gratitude will bring more into our lives immediately

47. What we think about and THANK about is what we bring about

48. What are the things you are grateful for?? Feel the gratitude..
focus on what you have right now that you are grateful for

49. Play the picture in your mind - focus on the end result

50. VISUALIZE!!! Rehearse your future

51. VISUALIZE!!! See it, feel it! This is where action begins

52. Feel the joy .. feel the happiness

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53. An affirmative thought is 100 times more powerful than a negative
one

54. "What this power is, I cannot say. All I know is that it exists."
Alexander Graham Bell

55. Our job is not to worry about the "How". The "How" will show up out
of the commitment and belief in the "what"

56. The Hows are the domain of the universe. It always knows the
quickest, fastest, most harmonious way between you and your dream

57. If you turn it over to the universe, you will be surprised and
dazzled by what is delivered .. this is where magic and miracles happen

58. Turn it over to the universe daily.. but it should never be a chore.

59. Feel exhilarated by the whole process .. high, happy, in tune

60. The only difference between people who are really living this way is
they have habituated ways of being.

61. They remember to do it all the time

62. Create a Vision Board .. pictures of what you want to attract ..
every day look at it and get into the feeling state of already having
acquired these wants

63. "Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life's coming
attractions." Albert Einstein

64. Decide what you want .. believe you can have it, believe you deserve
it, believe it's possible for you

65. Close your eyes and visualize having what you already want - and the
feeling of having it already.

66. Focus on being grateful for what you have already .. enjoy it!! Then
release into the universe. The universe will manifest it.

67. "Whatever the mind of man can conceive, it can achieve" W. Clement
Stone

68. Set a goal so big that if you achieved it, it would blow your mind.

69. When you have an inspired thought, you must trust it and act on it.

70. How can you become more prosperous?? INTEND IT!!

71. 'Checks are coming in the mail regularly'... or change your bank
statement to whatever balance you want in there... and get behind the
feeling of having it.

72. Life is meant to be abundant in ALL areas...

73. Go for the sense of inner joy and peace then all outside things
appear

74. We are the creators of our universe (The life situation we currently live in)

75. Relationships: Treat yourself the way you want to be treated by
others .. love yourself and you will be loved

76. Healthy respect for yourself

77. For those you work with or interact with regularly .. get a notebook
and write down positive aspects of each of those people.

78. Write down the things you like most about them (don't expect change
from them). Law of attraction will not put you in the same space
together if you frequencies don't match

79. When you realize your potential to feel good, you will ask no one to
be different in order for you to feel good.

80. You will free yourself from the cumbersome impossibilities of
needing to control the world, your friends, your mate, your children....

81. You are the only one that creates your reality

82. No one else can think or feel for you .. its YOU .. ONLY YOU.

83. Health: thank the universe for your own healing. Laugh, stress free
happiness will keep you healthy.

84. Immune system will heal itself

85. Parts of our bodies are replace every day, every week..etc... Within
a few years we have a brand new body

86. See yourself living in a new body. Hopeful = recovery. Happy =
happier biochemistry. Stress degrades the bod.

87. Remove stress from the body and the body regenerates itself. You can
heal yourself

88. Learn to become still .. and take your attention away from what you
don't want, and place your attention on what you wish to experience

89. When the voice and vision on the inside become more profound and
clear than the opinions on the outside, then you have mastered your life

90. You are not here to try to get the world to be just as you want it.
You are here to create the world around you that you choose.

91. And allow the world as others choose to
see it, exist as well

92. People think that if everyone knows the power of the LOA there won't
be enough to go around .. This is a lie that's been ingrained in us and
makes so many greedy.

93. The truth is there is more than enough love, creative ideas, power,
joy, happiness to go around.

94. All of this abundance begins to shine
through a mind that is aware of it's own infinite nature. There's enough
for everyone. See it. Believe it. it will show up for you.

95. So let the variety of your reality thrill you as you choose all the
things you want.. get behind the good feelings of all your wants.

96. Write your script. When you see things you don't want, don't think
about them, write about them, talk about them, push against them, or
join groups that focus on the don't wants... remove your attention from
don't wants.. and place them on do wants

97. We are mass energy. Everything is energy. EVERYTHING.

98. Don't define yourself by your body .. it's the infinite being that's
connected to everything in the universe.

99. One energy field. Our bodies have distracted us from our energy. We
are the infinite field of unfolding possibilities. The creative force.

100. Are your thoughts worthy of you? If not - NOW is the time to change
them. You can begin right were you are right now. Nothing matters but
this moment and what you are focusing your attention on.

Here they are in annotated form on you tube in two videos:

part 1 www.youtube.com...
part 2 www.youtube.com...

More to come..

I'll second the recommendation of Skyfloatings thread, an excellent read!

I had some interesting results with this when I first found out about it but I pretty much stopped thinking about it for a while! It'l be good to try something else again, what's the plan here?

reply to post by March of the Fire Ants


Thank you for your interest in this experiment. I am going to be posting all my links sometime tomorrow (hopefully) so people can start learning about this law. I will also post guidelines for the LOA in a nutshell in one of my next posts. Then after a set amount of time, (to give people time to do their research), we can set a start date to begin in earnest. There will be a few simple rules like start small, nothing too personal you would not want to post about in a public thread.

I want to see how many "Hits " we can get on positive results to show if there is something to this. If it works as advertised for the majority of people, then it surely cannot be a bad thing especially in this tough economic time. Plus it will help make us all more positive happier people. A win win. This does not take too much effort energy or time, so even if we fail we will have still learned something without putting people out. ( now it's time for bed.. hehe.. I have been reading all night)

I may not be able to post the links, instructions and guides today like I wanted to.

I have to stay with a relative in the hospital that needs a family member there with him 24 hours a day. We are taking shifts. This person, my 84 years old 'step father' ( mother married him 8 years ago) was in a car accident and has Alzheimers disease, From the accident he has 5 broken ribs, two broken vertebrae in his neck numbers 1 and 2, a broken arm and a bad concussion (on top of existing health problems due to his age) He tries to always get out of bed you see and does not always understand why he's there or whats going on.

I can try to post while he is sleeping I will have my laptop with me, but I do not know how often I will have to help him.

Please help send your positive thoughts and prayers his way (name is Pete). I will get the info out so we can get the ball rolling on this experiment as soon as possible.

Thank You.

First post, im really interested in taking part of this experiment. Ive been familiar with the loa for a while now, never got around to actually testing it out. This would be a great opportunity to give it a shot.Cant u2u (20 post requirement) but I would happily join.

My prayers are with your step father,
dd.

Awesome! I have been wanting to try this out myself for a while.

I will participate and send you a U2U shortly

I am pretty forgetful so putting this out of my mind for it to work should be easy

I was just thinking, I wonder if we could set two experiments here:
a personal "want" and a group "want"? Then we could compare the rates of fulfillment on a single and group basis? Might be interesting to see.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


Interesting theory....

But before everybody goes out and "thinks" a million dollars or eternal happiness for them selfs should we not consider a little thing called balance??

Did it ever occur to anybody that what you receive is probably something somebody else had to loose??

Just throwing it out there....

Peace

PS: woops, sorry for the flag

[edit on 17-8-2010 by operation mindcrime]

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Hmm... good question. I hadn't thought of that...