The return of the extraterrestrial gods (December 21st, 2012)

reply to post by BigOrange

that indicate that perhaps extraterrestrials have visited our ancient ancestors all over the world many, many years ago.

All of the things touted as evidence of ancient alien visitation are not considered such by any legitimate scientific or archeological sources.

I don't know about you but I have always been more inclined to trust a real scientist over a pseudoscientist.

I find it silly to suggest that aliens came half-way across the Galaxy in order to pass on simple technology like farming, building and the Baghdad battery. If they could build an interstellar space craft than the human race's technological progression should have been a straight shot all the way up in a short amount of time. Instead we have civilization developing in different places around the world thousands of years apart and many civilizations moving back and forth up the advancement scale (Dark Ages).

perhaps an explanation as to why the Mayans excelled at many things such as technology, astronomy, etc..

Or, you know, they could have been intelligent enough to figure those things out on their own. How about we start giving ancient people some dam credit. Why must we belittle our ancestors by pretending they couldn't figure out the motions of the heavens without men from space?

then a good possible explanation is that the aliens

This is just silly. Not having all the pieces to a few historical mysteries and you want to bring ALIENS in to explain it. And you think this is a GOOD explanation

This is my first thread so I hope you guys get a piece of mind

In that case maybe I should have gone a bit easier on you... Nah

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Titen-Sxull]

The date is going to become more important as it edges closer. Throughout my daily activities, I have often observed many people talking about this very subject. It is more common than you may realize. I am a quite observer of most. The pattern is the same, people will be speaking of this subject between two or three persons, as I approach they quite down thinking that I am not hearing their words. How ironic is it that I am blessed with very good hearing and an ability to read peoples mental state through their eyes. Unfortunately, most believe the world is going to end and I see this in there hearts. As the date approaches this idea of the world ending will be cultivated into an frenzied fear that will be exploited by evil. Good on the OP for posting this subject. Timing of events are important and there is no such thing as coincidence. I am here at this very moment for a reason. Someone is reading this that wants to ask me something. You will never know if you do not ask.

But Seer, if the world is not going to end, what is going to happen? Good question. Nothing that we did not do to ourselves. What is that supposed to mean? It means we are responsible for what happens to us. We cause this. What will happen is already written and we are only now discovering it. The recent paintings in the last thousands years were inspired. The little hints worked into the paintings inspired by writings of those who pass on knowledge. The first visitors are more advanced than us. They are not all powerful and never all powerful. They don't openly visit at the moment because we can destroy them and would. They have to subvert us to gain control. Floating in the air and feats of technology will cause a violent reaction if used to subvert us now. Remember, there will be no more miracles from this point on to establish authority. This was said for a reason.

Seers,they are humans and identical to us in every way,different races but human,no different than Pygmies--Norsemen--Zulus--and any other different but the same race of humans,no more powerful and no better,just different.

Just humanity---able to be all that we can also be if we choose.
It isnt as much that we can destroy them as WE MIGHT DESTROY OURSELVES OUT OF FEARFUL OVERREACTION,OR THE POWERS THAT BE MAY CHOOSE TO LIGHT IT UP ON THE SURFACE AND HIDE UNDERGROUND THINKING THEY WILL BE SAFE----MAYBE THEY WILL BE.

Our job is to help initiate disclosure before anything dramatic happens.

We are in a war as it is,they are our creators and wether we like it or not we have an obligation to support our family,this is the crux,our governments and religons have lied to us about this and they are screwed,we are soon going to be informed of what is coming and dont worry some of us will be removed to safety to preserve the integrity of this specific family line,underground bunkers WILL NOT HELP FOR LONG.

We must unite,not divide and be conquered,time to step up or step back,it is humanities nature to fight to survive ,after disclosure the majority will abandon the present status quo and choose to fight for humanities future,one we are just about to learn about.

Our creators are here to teach us what is coming,we were expected to already know our true history,but alas we were lied to by governments and religons.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by one4all]

All of the things touted as evidence of ancient alien visitation are not considered such by any legitimate scientific or archeological sources.

I don't know about you but I have always been more inclined to trust a real scientist over a pseudoscientist.

I find it silly to suggest that aliens came half-way across the Galaxy in order to pass on simple technology like farming, building and the Baghdad battery. If they could build an interstellar space craft than the human race's technological progression should have been a straight shot all the way up in a short amount of time. Instead we have civilization developing in different places around the world thousands of years apart and many civilizations moving back and forth up the advancement scale (Dark Ages).

Keyword was perhaps.. Yes I prefer scientific evidence, however I think you misunderstood that this thread is a theory based upon other possible theories. There's no way to know why they might have not given them more advanced technology, but my guess would be, that like the government, they would always want to have more advanced technology in case we one day became hostile towards them. Who knows maybe the earth and human life was just a big science experiment to produce life on a planet and see it evolve..

Or, you know, they could have been intelligent enough to figure those things out on their own. How about we start giving ancient people some dam credit. Why must we belittle our ancestors by pretending they couldn't figure out the motions of the heavens without men from space?

Of course it's possible, and in no way do I have any disrespect for any ancestors of any descent

This is just silly. Not having all the pieces to a few historical mysteries and you want to bring ALIENS in to explain it. And you think this is a GOOD explanation

A good possible explanation in my opinion.. Once again this is all theory based

In that case maybe I should have gone a bit easier on you... Nah

It's cool, as I'm not sure if you knew that this is all speculative.



[edit on 8/15/2010 by BigOrange]

ANyone ever see this?

www.gotquestions.org...

Accepting the Mayan 2012 prophecy logically requires acceptance of the following theories: our sun is a god; the sun is powered by the blood of human sacrifice; the creation moment occurred at 3114 B.C. (despite all evidence that it happened much earlier); and the visual alignment of stars has some significance for everyday human life. Like every other false religion, the Mayan religion sought to elevate to the point of worship that which was created in place of the Creator Himself. The Bible tells us about such false worshipers: “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator” (Romans 1:25), and “since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – His eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20). To accept the Mayan 2012 prophecy also denies the clear biblical teaching about the end of the world, because Jesus told us “…of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father” (Mark 13:32).

Apparently all 2012 believers are not believers in God? Whoda thunk?

edit: ah it got cut off. its the last paragraph in that link.

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i'm just thinking, a thousand years from now and if humans still live on this earth. If those humans found our arts/movies regarding aliens and ufos, would they too think that we communicated with aliens? because we havent yet, but we have so much art depicting what aliens look like it just seems like we know them... i dont know

reply to post by RizeorDie


We may or may not have communicated with aliens. Theres a lot of speculation, if you haven't noticed. Perhaps we have a file stash somewhere that gets past down from leader to leader, and a thousand years from now, they still hold us in the dark, thinking the same way we do now. I think the world is a mindf#@k, and we should make it what we want it to be, and not worry about what everyone else does.

It seems that the professor didn't even exist. All we have is a bunch of photos and that's it. The disks existed but they were not what they are imagined to be.

www.badarchaeology.net...

I think it would be best to look up some archaeological journals and even go ahead to email the archaeologists in China about this. I'm sure some of them speak English.

Originally posted by rajaten
reply to post by BigOrange

 

Great idea BigO,

The return of an ET intelligence on the 2012 date would fit snugly into multiple theories and prophecies I have researched.

The annunaki of nibiru or the original intelligence disseminators of the atlanteans, ancient egyptian ancestors or mayans may return to guide us into the new age post 2012.

As the earth shifts, and it cleanses itself, these star beings may help us to raise our frequency and start anew. I dunno lol


[edit on 15-8-2010 by rajaten]

You meant to say the fallen ones ?
Then you are right.

reply to post by one4all


These are not our "creators", though they tend to think they are. Not the ones the Mayan talk of. And from what I've been told they're coming stealth, things will just get worse, for their plan is be here for depopulation and end time games, and be controllers. This is not the benevolents. As for creator, humans and the billions of other planets akin to this, if not more, in fact every race that is not naturally evolved, is hybrid. Every combination has been tried. Earth was a project for many races, even intergalactic, a living library of dna, and all parents want their children to grow up well.

This is also a hijacked system, and many of those involved in the old empire, the wars, on both sides, are here now. Most here are renegades, learning to love. The actual races were utilized and downgraded. So our human bodies are ETs, downgraded. Our souls are cosmic and not exactly newbie souls at that. Far from it.

The universe is an interactive holgographic simulated reality school, and we're in a prison/school within that system here. Its a duality system. The goal is to learn love and equality, not wars, not control and not inequality and starvation. This world is the physical manifestation of our consciousness as well, and look at it.

There are Higher Ups, again, not our gods, for everyone is profoundly equal. And Higher Self/Family of Light from Beyond, outside the matrix, who would be called Superman in the system and only that which they allow ever happens, but they do allow law of consequence for our ultimate growth, and lessons.

Another element I find really interesting in the Mayan is the No Time scenario, when the clock reaches 0000000000...........infinity number too. And its probably in 2011.

Basically that one second maybe a time paradox, I've read that but not quite understanding. The Mayan had a Quantum understanding of space-time fabric which was interesting, as the only time that exists is in our heads, and based on orbit to the star, there is no time, its just a program. And every system has its own orbit, its own speed or "time", the universe being like an ifinite dvd player with infinte dvds. This is also all the past, in a long infinite roll of film of our lives, our Future/Higher Selves are in the Beyond, where there is always a Beyond, beyond that for infinity is boundless.

So this is all the recorded past (which is why I said DVDs and we join in for lessons, even if for a trillion years of them), for we always come back to family in that proverbial "second" later, even Darth Vader. Endless progression. All made it back. Still its very real while here and lots of suffering, the river of pain extends through the cosmos and into the Beyond, and we always have a team watching over.

In that one second, I've read the mayan see the cosmos which is space-time vanishing. In otherwords, for that one "second" the veil could lift and we could be in No Time, and who knows what that could mean.

Though these ones are coming and were tied to bad things in the past, we have to realize that its all about our state or level of love here.

If we're in low grade (and if we don't yearn for love and equality and can tolerate this world of massive injustice), then lessons can be harsh.

But if we evolve in love, and equality, and truly yearn for eden, and don't give fear or hate back to anyone, and strive for the understanding between groups, even cosmic ones, truly the Living Way, if we meditate and raise our consciousness, what teacher would ever give his grade 7 students grade 1 exams? Only primitive low level lessons are harsh.

Thats why no matter what is coming, love not fear, and a yearing for eden is the answer. For they're our brothers and sisters too.


There are more watching over this planet than the ones alligned to the negative side in a duality however. If we truly love, and asked out under the stars in large enough numbers, if all did for sure, it would be changed in 3 days I was told. We could bring in half the cosmos, the loving half, to help, just by thought and prayer and meditation for those above us in frequency hear each other.

If we were to mediate and envision eden and the venus project and complete eden, equality, peace and freedom, truth and disclosure, changes would occur. Richard Hoalgand talked about a 2 % rule of thumb there, that 2 % could change things enormously.

What we have to do is stop fighting in wars, or each other, or anyone that comes.



[edit on 15-8-2010 by Unity_99]

Hey OP, decent idea.

Personally, I have always thought that aliens are really different from what we all think, or have been Hollywood programmed to believe in.

I have a problem with a star-faring race stopping by and doing what they have been doing: posing for a lot of pictures, an occasional abduction or cow mutilation, or even hovering over lots of people around the world.

I mean really?

Develop the techonology to travel across the universe, actually fly 80 million light years, find us, and than play 'cat and mouse' with us?

With how big the universe is, there are probably other species out there, IMO probably a number of star-faring ones as well.

But if they showed up here, wouldn't they probably do one of the following: A) Say, "Wow, lunch!", B) Say, "Wow, those things are so cute, let's go help ALL of them out", or C) Say, "Wow, how boring, another race killing itself, let's put in on the To-Do-List and come back later"

With all of the deep space satellites broadcasting our location, and our own radio noise that we have been blasting for so long now, it's not like we believe as a species in quiet-time, as we never ever turn off all of our signal emitting towers.

Are they coming? Sure. Maybe. Are they gods? Sure. Maybe. Are they happy or evil? Do they even care? Would we? How would they like it if the United Nations came landing on their planet?

But I think the question should be, do we as a species deserve the cure for cancer or warp speed space travel, or infinite energy?

Would aliens even want to mess with over-zealous Christian or Muslim fanatics zooming around Uranus? Or Iran, China, Russia, and the US having an inter-galatic space race?

We need to fix our own planet, and our own problems, and maybe learn about how to live on this planet, and with each other, before we ever go zipping through the Cosmos as guests of ET.

I hope we make contact soon, it would be a complete pardigm shift that would either be great or horrible (hungry aliens would suck).

If they are 'gods' of ancient times, will they be mad at us for killing each other so much, or the planet?

Remember how happy the Aztec's were after Europeans took all of their gold?

I just hope they are not hungry afterall.

Originally posted by BigOrange

Originally posted by Student X
reply to post by BigOrange

 

The problem is, every mythology and every religion stretching back to primordial shamanism would have had to have been visited by other races of aliens, because they all had their own systems of mysticism and their own myths based on the same common denominators and the same archetypes. That's a large variety of alien species. Too large.

[edit on 14-8-2010 by Student X]

Let's take in to account the fact that I was referring mostly to the Mayans and a few other advanced ancient civilization, as not all civilizations and/or religions have reference to possible alien visitation.

They all have reference to possible alien visitation. It all depends on how you want to interpret it.

There is nothing special about Mesoamerican mysticism. It came about the same way all other systems of mysticism came about. Through shamanic encounters with archetypes of the collective unconscious in symbolic form.

Mayan shamans are the same as shamans from any other culture. That's because shamanism is a form of schizophrenic crack-up, not a particular theology. It's through shamanic altered states of consciousness that the shaman summons the gods. Or as you call them, aliens. Have you ever interacted with a god?

Over time, shamanism evolved into highly advanced mysticism techniques. Essesntially we are talking about hyper-advanced psychic sciences. Siddhis in Hinduidm, iddhis in Buddhism, charisms in Catholicism, attainments in Sufism.

Since the nature of reality is 'holographic', the hyper-psychic ancients were able to use their severe austerities to create gods and UFOs themselves. Not through science and technology but through the mind.

I highly recommend a Jungian approach to the UFO enigma.

A couple of books I recommend:

Alien Identities : Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena

Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies

[edit on 15-8-2010 by Student X]

Originally posted by pepsi78

You meant to say the fallen ones ?
Then you are right.

Just curious what you mean by fallen ones.

Fallen ones can literally mean just about anything.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Annee


Those choosing the love of power over the power of love. A mystery school symbol or even rather beyond them, is the hexagon. Which is two equal triangles, one is the symbol of egypt and sumar, and tptb, also the saturn group, (basically darth vader's old empire in general) and its, the triangle, with power to the few. The other is the inverted triangle, power to the many. Its a duality sign. However everyone is light & love under the masks they wear. So seeing and envisioning this and the karma vanishing, all gone, and everyone being in touch with their inner/outer star, the phone line home and HS, is a good thing, on all sides and grades in the cosmos.

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reply to post by BigOrange


it is going to happen sooner than 2012. it is going to happen in a way that most people are not expecting. it is happening right now, in a way that people would refuse to believe if i were to explain it to you.

you know how they say "the meek will inherit the earth"? the power is just starting to shift to "the meek", in a way that is not yet visible. it hasn't physically materialized yet but is getting close. but with this shift is going to come a collapse of the systems that support all of the groups and people who have been in control. with this shift of so called power will also come an unveiling of who "the meek" are, and what they have been doing for quite a while now behind the scenes of what most people consider life.

once things start getting chaotic, when the whole world seems to be collapsing, you'll know it is time. it will signify an end to the control and corruption that we have been seeing in our world.

Originally posted by BigOrange
As many of you know, there have been tons of ancient artifacts, cave drawing, etc. that indicate that perhaps extraterrestrials have visited our ancient ancestors all over the world many, many years ago.

Many of you may also know that the Mayans were a highly advanced civilization for their time, and it has been speculated that perhaps these ancient civilizations had the help from ETs to advance their ancient technology; perhaps an explanation as to why the Mayans excelled at many things such as technology, astronomy, etc..

Now it has also been speculated that some of these early civilizations worshiped what were gods to them, but may have in-fact been ETs.

Taking all of this in to consideration, if those unexplained mysteries about ancient civilization, and more specifically the Mayans, then a good possible explanation is that the aliens (or possible original Earthlings) informed the Mayans that they would return for whatever reason that would change things for them in some amazing way, therefore ending their calendar on December 21st, 2012. Or perhaps as stated by people before, the Mayans could have been aliens themselves, and they plan on returning in 2012.

This is my first thread so I hope you guys get a piece of mind and start thinking differently about all of this 2012, and ancient alien business.

Here is a link showing ancient cave art referring to aliens:
www.alien-ufo-pictures.com...

To clear things up with people who act like I'm providing scientific facts, keep in mind this is a theory of mine based upon other viable theoriesl.


[edit on 8/15/2010 by BigOrange]

[edit on 8/15/2010 by BigOrange]

Hey there BigOrange,

Your OP reminded me of 'me' about 18yrs ago when I first got embroiled in this subject. A lot has happened in my life and indeed the world since then.

Here's a link to my website about this very subject and how ancient civilizations are linked by the same 'teachers' ... from my own perspective ... you might find it fun to read and compare notes etc;

theatlanteananalysis.webeden.co.uk...

Enjoy. Woody

BTW ... you need to join the site to be able to read the full chapters but it's free to join and free to read ... I just thought it was time to put my hypotheses out there for people to read and either absorb or reject as they so desire.

reply to post by Annee

Fallen angels posing as gods and now aliens.



The ones that messed with humanity from the start. The serpent masters.
Atlantis and Lemuria, man was left to evolve on it's own, they came posed as gods. The snake in the garden story made humans evolve faster, god is not such a bad guy, no tampering but there was tampering.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by pepsi78]

a little off topic, but, if i was a terrorist.. the 21st of december would be the perfect time to attack. just a thought. elaborate if you must, not that anything will happen where i am, but if a bomb goes off in new york or london, aliens/gods/the end of the world, wont be my first thought.

I absolutely love the ancient alien therory. I have been researching these very topics since I was 12 years old. The Ancient Alien Therory is the only thing that seems plausiable to me and has always made sense to all the questions in the world. Such as, how did we come from just Adam and Eve? There is no way possible all of us came from two people. We would all be mentally retarted by all the years and years of incest. Wouldnt we all look a like even if we did? If Adam and Eve had lets say brown hair and brown eyes...there wouldnt be any redheads, or blondes, or blue eyes, or green eyes.. we would all have the same DNA make up wouldnt we? It to me also explains the Virgin Mary issue. There is no way a woman can become pregnant and STILL be a virgin unless through some kind of artifical insemination which just COULDNT exisit way back then. I also believe that the pleadians were depicted as blonde hair blue eyed angels in all of the religious paintings. It would fit their descriptions pretty well. I believe that we have always been visited by these beings, and will continue to be visited by these beings, I belive these are the watchers. They have a great deal of time and investment in us all, The sumarians knew this and wrote about it,drew pictures of it. These paintings,sculptures, and scriptures should all be taken very seriously. They did these things so long ago we were in our infancy stage of development so to speak, I dont think that we even had the imagination to think to draw pictures of creatures or to write about it them unless we saw them.We of course being the human race, that would be like asking a one year old to draw a picture of an alien, they number one wouldnt even understand the instructions let alone have the imagination to think of one.

And its not just the bible or the sumarian texts, its all over the world with similair stories...how did all these ancient text from country to country seperated by oceans all have the same experince unless it happened. There are pyrimids all over the world again seperated by oceans... how were they built? How did the Egyptians and the South Americans build the same kind of structure unless given instructions by the same source.... Very interesting things to think about, and I will be keeping my eyes open to everything in the coming months... Things should be getting exciting here real soon! Think about it,
April 2008- Vatican gives ok to believe in Aliens.... (Thats a big no no for the curch, and they finally gave the acceptance that is a big step towards disclosure)
Oct 2009 -We bomb the moon...(To see if there are water particles YAH RIGHT, Funny couldnt we just send some astronauts to drill and take some samples... Did we really have to BOMB THE F***IN MOON?!) Which is said to have a base at the exact spot we bombed...nice touch!(Not only did Buzz talk about it but so did Armstrong back in 2005)
April 2010- all types of media is talking about disclosure, Larry King had an hour special on it, CNN Experts confirmed in their belifes and all videos on youtube were taken down with in hours of it.
Aug 2010- Starchild Skull preliminary DNA RESULTS CONFRIM only 25% is of female human other 75% is unknown further testing is being done. I belive these are all steps to disclosure and how convient the closer it gets to 2012 more information is coming out??