Russia Says It Will Begin Fueling Iran's First Nuclear Plant Next Week

Originally posted by Final Solstice
reply to post by RainCloud

 

Okay, so lets assume Israel has had nukes for that long. And lets also assume Israel is as brutal as some people believe. Well, obviously they have restrained to use these nukes for all these years. I'd say they are responsible.

As for Iran, no one knows their true intentions. However, judging by their own people not liking the government and various other reports about Iran not wanting Israel around any more, I think it's safe to say that it's better the world does not find out exactley what Iran's true motives are for wanting nuclear power.

So, Israel is the good guy then ? All other nation is not very good / cannot be trusted ? Is that what youre saying ?

Having nuke is already wrong, evenmore if youre a weapon creator and weapon loving country. Its Israel fault having nuke in the 1st place.

Lets start nuke inspection on Israel! Be fair to all nation.
Check Israel and Iran at same time!

Vanunu's disclosures

In September 1986, Mordecai Vanunu, an Israeli arms technician who had worked at the secret Dimona site for eight years, provided the world with the first detailed account of Israel's nuclear weapon progress. He provided almost 60 color photographs to the London Sunday Times of what he said was Israel's underground bomb factory. He also described Israel's nuclear weapon production techniques in an account accepted by weapons experts on both sides of the Atlantic. According to Vanunu's data, the solid plutonium spheres for Israel's nuclear weapons weighed 4.4 kilograms. He also said that Israel had produced 100 to 200 advanced fission bombs by 1986, had mastered a thermonuclear design, and appeared to have a number of thermonuclear bombs ready for use.

Vanunu's photographs also showed the processing of what appeared to be large hollow hemispheres of lithium deuteride--parts for a thermonuclear bomb with a destructive power of about 200 kilotons. According to Vanunu, other Dimona products included copper hemispheres, into which the plutonium was sealed, and beryllium neutron reflectors, which reduced the amount of plutonium required to achieve a nuclear explosion. Dimona was also making the thermonuclear bomb ingredients tritium and deuterium. Vanunu reported that the plutonium spheres and bomb components from Dimona were taken at regular intervals by convoy with armed escorts to an airfield near Haifa for assembly.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Nuclear power is an internationally approved power source.
Even Russia knows not to go into the Tesla science for power.
Don't worry be happy.

Suicide walkers or other A bomb delivery systems that might
be supplied by IRAN might be a concern if even possible at
any time IRAN did produce Weapons of Mass Destruction.

They sit on a Butt load of oil. Why do they need nuclear power? i can only think of one reason and that is for the bomb.

Why would they use oil to fuel their own country when they can get top dollar for it on the open market. I think they would rather sell the oil and profit off of it. Meanwhile powering their own country with cheap nuclear power.

This is the same crap that happened in Iraq. Saddam was open about what weapons he had. Inspectors had been their for years searching and documenting that there were NOT any WMDs. And what happened? Bush asked Saddam to prove that he didnt have any WMDs. I'm not sure how Saddam could have done anything different. There had been weapons inspectors in Iraq since the mid 90s.

The US govt is a bunch of hypocrites. They have nuclear power. They have nuclear weapons. They proactively attack other nations. Yet we attempt to police other nations who try to do the same things.

Sick

reply to post by RainCloud


No, both sides are equally responsible for what is happening, I will admit that. Israel has done some bad things to it's neighbors but lets not also forget what Iran has done to it's neighbors aswell. Like using chemical weapons on the innocent people of Iraq.

I am not against Nuclear power to better a country. But I also think letting Iran develop this type of power without a definite way to prove that it is not for weapons use should not be allowed.

I'll be the first to say I believe all nuclear weapons world wide should be greatly reduced. Especially now because we are living in very dangerous times. But allowing Iran to obtain them on the premise that Israel has them so it's only fair, is not the right step in that direction but rather the opposite.

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Final Solstice]

Originally posted by Final Solstice
reply to post by RainCloud

 

Okay, so lets assume Israel has had nukes for that long. And lets also assume Israel is as brutal as some people believe. Well, obviously they have restrained to use these nukes for all these years. I'd say they are responsible.

As for Iran, no one knows their true intentions. However, judging by their own people not liking the government and various other reports about Iran not wanting Israel around any more, I think it's safe to say that it's better the world does not find out exactley what Iran's true motives are for wanting nuclear power.

The thing is, it would only take ONE well placed / fired Nuke to take out all of Israel.

Iran is mad enough to do it because even when they get hit back, probably nuked to kingdom come, their goal has been achieved, Israel and it's Jews are toast!

I'm told that Iran is mainly Muslim and I'm also told that Muslims believe they go to heaven with lots of virgins etc when they kill what they believe to be the enemy.

So I really can't blame Israel for wanting to be well protected and to not have Muppets like Iran threatening them etc.

reply to post by Final Solstice


I really want to step into this debate between you two and voice my opinion but I'm not going to. I've learnt it's better to just shutup when it comes to "who is evil Israel vs Iran".

I hope your debate doesn't take up the rest of this thread. I hate this debate more than anything, and it kills threads. Please keep this thread alive and focused on it's topic, that being the imminent arrival of fuel for the reactor.

Thus, meaning will Israel strike in the next week or not... Please just agree to disagree on wether Israel or Iran are more to blame/more evil...

So, to the both of you... Will Israel strike or let it go online?

Fair enough.

I don't think any thing will come of this to be honest. And no, it won't start world war 3. I think we have a few more months to go before SHTF.

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Final Solstice]

reply to post by Final Solstice


What is going to happen in a few months?

What is your SHTF scenario?

Doesnt sound like the US is in too much nof an upraor over this to me:

From the US State Department:

"In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Bushehr "does not represent a proliferation risk. ... However, Bushehr underscores that Iran does not need its own indigenous enrichment capability. The fact that Russia is providing fuel is the very model the international community has offered Iran."
"We expect Iran to meet established international norms and practices to ensure the safe operation of the reactor under full safeguards monitoring" by the IAEA, Crowley said.

Read more: www.charlotteobserver.com...

reply to post by princeofpeace


It's looking increasingly like Bushehr is not a problem that at least Washington is concerned with. Israeli's may or may not be too fussed about this development either.

Bushehr was not even mentioned in the new round of sanctions. The biggest thing to come out of this will be the US making a verbal point that Iran need not even enrich uranium if it can just get Russia to provide the fuel for the reactors.

While this is true, it's more about pride for Iran, as they want to be able to make it themselves. Sounds fair enough to me... If Iran wants to put in the scientific hard yards to create their own nuclear fuel then I see no problem with that. Good on them I say..

I think it's about time the US and Israel drop their pathetic fear mongering and war posturing about Iran's nuclear programme before they create a real mess of a situation.

www.google.com... 'Russia deal shows Iran does not need enrichment: White Housei

Yep. There you go... US will try and make an example out of this and nothing more. They know the nuclear power plant is no threat and only a means of producing electricity.

Therefore no bombing runs this week..

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Actually this is not entirely correct. Iran had a secret enrichment facility that came to light this year.

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Xcathdra]

Iran was not obliged under its agreement with the IAEA to divulge the existence of the new nuclear plant until 6 months before nuclear material was introduced to the facility.

They were well within their rights . Especially so when one considers they have an openly hostile state threatening to bomb their multimillion $ facilities.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

The Russians give Iran the "bomb" and the world just yawns

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Xcathdra]

The bomb ?

Do you mean nuclear fuel or an actual bomb ?

If a fully fledged device- i`d like to see your proof.

reply to post by nh_ee


Bingo!.......well stated.....I couldn't agree more and suprisingly few folks in America understand this....

Originally posted by minkey53

The thing is, it would only take ONE well placed / fired Nuke to take out all of Israel.

Iran is mad enough to do it because even when they get hit back, probably nuked to kingdom come, their goal has been achieved, Israel and it's Jews are toast!


So I really can't blame Israel for wanting to be well protected and to not have Muppets like Iran threatening them etc.

Do you think Iran is willing to destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque ?

What of the 20% of Israeli citizens that are Muslims ?

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If Israel target any Iranian facility or shipment of nuclear fuel destined for Iran, they surely run the risk of killing Russian personal liaising with their Iranian counterparts.

Look up weapons usable uranium. It's 20% enriched and used in a lot of reactors that make power. It's also the MINIMUM needed to make a rudimentary nuclear device.

reply to post by brutalsun


That doesn't mean Iran is building bombs.

Certainly doesn't give anyone the right to bomb their facilities either

In fact I can't find anything saying 20% is the minimum for a weapon. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Care to provide me a link?

"The fissile uranium in nuclear weapons usually contains 85% or more of 235U known as weapon(s)-grade, though for a crude, inefficient weapon 20% is sufficient (called weapon(s)-usable); some argue that even less is sufficient, but then the critical mass for unmoderated fast neutrons rapidly increases, reaching infinity at 6%235U.[2] For criticality experiments, enrichment of uranium to over 97% has been accomplished."

Never mind! Found some info.

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Nomad451]

[edit on 13-8-2010 by Nomad451]

Originally posted by brutalsun
Look up weapons usable uranium. It's 20% enriched and used in a lot of reactors that make power. It's also the MINIMUM needed to make a rudimentary nuclear device.

So they are going to face down Americas arsenal of thousands of nuclear weapons and Israel's hundreds of nuclear weapons, with a "rudimentary nuclear device" ...?

Let em fly. it will be the best fireworks display ever, ooooo, aahhhhh!

Originally posted by iamcamouflage

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Nuclear power is an internationally approved power source.
Even Russia knows not to go into the Tesla science for power.
Don't worry be happy.

Suicide walkers or other A bomb delivery systems that might
be supplied by IRAN might be a concern if even possible at
any time IRAN did produce Weapons of Mass Destruction.

They sit on a Butt load of oil. Why do they need nuclear power? i can only think of one reason and that is for the bomb.

Why would they use oil to fuel their own country when they can get top dollar for it on the open market. I think they would rather sell the oil and profit off of it. Meanwhile powering their own country with cheap nuclear power.

This is the same crap that happened in Iraq. Saddam was open about what weapons he had. Inspectors had been their for years searching and documenting that there were NOT any WMDs. And what happened? Bush asked Saddam to prove that he didnt have any WMDs. I'm not sure how Saddam could have done anything different. There had been weapons inspectors in Iraq since the mid 90s.

The US govt is a bunch of hypocrites. They have nuclear power. They have nuclear weapons. They proactively attack other nations. Yet we attempt to police other nations who try to do the same things.

Sick

Actually Iran pays a pretty high price for oil fuel, since they dont have enough refineries themselves [they just sell crude oil which is worth less], that is just plain stupid, the economy there is a mess.

btw Osirak was also a lightwater reactor [which was first bombed by Iran and later leveled by Israel]. They still can get plutonium out of it[ Bushehr] while it may be pretty contaminated with Pu240..



[edit on 13-8-2010 by Foppezao]

Really great interview with some intelligent people. Anyone worried about an attack should give it a read

www.pbs.org... 'Nuclear Fuel Deal Gives Iran Chance to Prove Peaceful Intent'

reply to post by UmbraSumus


LOL. This is actually a pretty humorous response... and a good deflection of poor logic, IMO.

The thing that could definitely happen would be domestic nuclear event brought to US by the same folk that pulled off 9/11. Then, evidence is 'produced' 'proving' Iran did it...even if it is only media hear-say: We all tried to warn you about not waiting til the 'smoking gun' is mushroom cloud.

Help me mister wizard! drizzam drazzam blah-blah-blah


[edit on 13-8-2010 by AntiShyster]