Matt Simmons Is Dead

reply to post by Phage


Would this be the same stuff he "knew nothing about" that he was right on the money about with his assessment? Just saying...


I also find this highly suspicious, but with that being said, it is within the realm of possibility. Until some real evidence comes to light that points to foul play, we will just have to accept that this may very well be just what is being reported. Only time will tell.

reply to post by MaxBlack


Wow, that's one helluva post. Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by misinformational
reply to post by Phage

 

Matt Simmons has been involved in the oil *industry for 40 years*. He is also a standing member of the Natural Petroleum Council.. We can rest assured his knowledge of such is much greater than mine or yours.

The problem with your argument, and in defense of Phage's statement, is highlighted above. When someone has been involved in an industry for FORTY years can it really be so difficult to believe that he was old enough to have a heart attack?

Now, I think it is a mighty big coincidence. But the idea of a middle aged man dying of a heart attack while swimming isn't unheard of. Just my 2 cents.

I've never seen so many people refusing to accept that a man nearly in his seventies could have a heart attack. Inasmuch as I have to accept that it is a possibility that the guy could have been murdered (albeit a small one in my mind), some of you at least have to admit the simple possibility that Simmons just plain died, like most people, without any mysterious reason as to why. If anyone has actual evidence indicating otherwise (meaning, not sheer speculation), then I'll listen. Until then, there's a lot of, well, bikeshedding going on in this thread.

Oh Lookie...Another One Bites the Dust....How Fortuitist!!!!

Former Senator believed to be aboard plane that crashed in Alaska


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JUNEAU, Alaska — A plane carrying nine people – including former Sen. Ted Stevens and former NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe – crashed in southwest Alaska, killing five people on board, authorities said Tuesday. It was unclear whether Stevens or O'Keefe were among the dead.

Now here is where the plot thickens.......


Whistleblower Claims That BP Was Aware Of Cheating On Blowout Preventer Tests

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The 48-year-old veteran oil worker claims that in the oil industry, particularly at BP, "the culture is basically safety procedures are shoved down your throat and then they look the other way when it's convenient for them." He claims that oil operators often wouldn't report spills and that when he spilled chemical fluid in 2003, he was told by his superiors not to report it. Mason, who now runs a small operation hauling freight in the Alaskan bush and owns guest cabins, says he was fired by a drilling company in 2006 after he wrote a letter to the editor of the Anchorage Daily News to condemn the firm for incorporating overseas and thereby avoiding taxes.

Mason and another oil worker provided sworn statements in a 2003 lawsuit that rig supervisors "routinely falsified reports to show equipment designed to prevent blowouts was passing state-mandated performance tests," reported the Wall Street Journal in 2005.

Mason was interviewed by the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in 2005 during a probe into allegations that Nabors Drilling, a subcontractor to BP, falsified such tests, among other claims that BP failed to report blowouts at the massive Prudhoe Bay oil field. The probe was spurred by oil industry critic Charles Hamel, who forwarded his allegation to then-Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.

So two potential threats to BP suddenly die in consecutive days. This is better than a Tom Clancy novel.

...and let's not forget the two fishing captains on clean-up crews who committed suicide a little over a month ago.

Go back to sleep and rest easy, Dancing with the Stars in on tonight.

reply to post by OnTheFelt

How interesting! Two thorns in the side in a few days!It does make me wonder if something like a slam dunk may have been coming from Simmons before he died.
Did BO take a play from BC's handbook? or is it all BP? maybe it is just BS and we all need a BM. I am taking my BA out of here and let it all fall into a BFD.
N.

reply to post by N.of norml


Also, how soon we forget about Mr. Bernie Madoff's partner who also drowned in his pool last year.

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A man accused of making more than $7 billion off the investment schemes of jailed financial manager Bernard Madoff drowned after having a heart attack, authorities said Monday. Jeffry Picower, 67, was found around noon Sunday by his wife, Barbara, at the bottom of a pool at their oceanside mansion.

History certainly repeats itself.

reply to post by dariousg


Don't mistake my sentiment - Do I think that it's probable that Simmons died of natural causes? Yes. Do I think that it's plausible that fowl-play may have been involved? Yes.

reply to post by OnTheFelt


BP isn't run by Stringer Bell. I just can't see them *needing* to kill a former senator and pack of random other people, much less actually deciding to do so. They have enough money and resources to stay competitive for years to come, even despite the damage to their brand and the money they've lost. Want a prime example? Take a look at Exxon after the Valdez spill. They're the #1 oil company in the world now. They didn't have to kill anyone specific to do it, they just had to wait for everyone not affected by the Valdez spill to forget about it.

In case you all hadn't noticed, BP is in the clear now. The leak is plugged, the media isn't beating them up, and the whole story is winding down. My personal opinion is that they'll catch breaks on any settlements required (just like Exxon did), go back to business as usual, and within a couple years, the whole thing will barely be a memory. It just seems like there's no good reason for them to kill anyone now. Shrug.






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reply to post by FoxStriker


Thanks for the links.

Twilight in the Desert was a media sensation in which Matt Simmons accurately predicted the arrival of peak oil production in Saudi Arabia. Since 2005, sweet crude production has been in decline on Saudi Arabia. That has been for five years now.

The myth that the Sauds have intentionally cut back production is a joke. World demand for oil has increased, if the Sauds could increase oil production, they would. Simmons certainly wasn't the first to predict this, as many on the net were claiming the same thing. Anyone in the know knew that the Saudis had been pumping sea water into their wells for a long time. Simmons had the credentials to bring this to the worlds attention. The only ones who don't recognize this by now live in the land of denial and spend too much time muttering prayers for sembiotic oil.

The world's easy to get supply of high quality sweet crude is running out, and so the days of cheap oil is over. The implications of this reality are huge, and the game is changing as we speak. The global economy as it currently exists will not be able to continue, as the cost of shipping goods from cheap labor markets will rise to a level that destroys the cost advantages.

Here is a very well written article on the subject.

climateprogress.org...

Higher oil prices mean the world is about to get a lot smaller, as the cost of transporting goods halfway around the world will no longer be cheap. Jeff Rubin, former chief economist at CIBC World Markets, argues “a lot of long-lost jobs are going to be coming home”.

Rubin has written a book Why Your World Is About to Get a Whole Lot Smaller: Oil and the End of Globalization. He notes that already in 2008 high oil prices began to make U.S. steel and furniture producers competitive again. Rubin expects China’s economic growth to be fueled more by growth in their own consumption.

Walmart may once again carry products labeled “Made in USA”.

What does this have to do with the subject of the thread?

Corporate controlled media is doing a good job of keeping a lid on what a unbelievably enormous disaster this gulf oil lieak really is. Matt Simmons is the guy who could break through that media fog, and wake the world up to what an enormous disaster it still taking place in the Gulf of Mexico as we speak.

What the gulf gushing oil leak demonstrates is that deep water drilling is beyond our current technological capabilities.

This is big oil down on the canvas.

If the reports Matt Simmons was giving to the media, on the findings of the Thomas Jefferson Research Vessel are correct, then things are going to get a whole lot worse, before they begin to get better.

Nobody is covering the Thomas Jefferson research vessel story.

Why?

Is there a giant lake of heavy crude under the Gulf of Mexico?

I recommend anyone paying attention to do a search on this vessel.

Thomas Jefferson research vessel

reply to post by OnTheFelt

People actually die? They have heart attacks? Planes crash?

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

* Heart disease: 616,067
* Cancer: 562,875

www.cdc.gov...

2005 General Aviation fatalities: 558
2005 Part 135 fatalities: 18 (not a bad year, in 2000 there were 65).
www.ntsb.gov...

Wow. Who'd a thunk it?

reply to post by bikeshedding


Stinger Bell huh? That's rich....too bad you fail on your analogy.

Oh also BTW, the leak is not capped it's alledgedly contained....big difference. And that has also been shown to be quite suspect.

I'm beating a dead horse anyways, so go back to sleep.

reply to post by OnTheFelt


Look you can't prove your point by simply being arrogant and mean-spirited. I could just as easily offer up posts like "too bad you fail to prove anything you've speculated on so far" (and for the record, you do).

You're pretty concerned about what you see as condescension in Phage's posts, but you don't seem the least bit concerned about it in your own. Just as some humble advice, try treating other people as well as you think you should be treated.

If you can give me a logical and reasonable explanation of why BP needs to kill anyone right now, I'll listen wholeheartedly. I just don't see it. I don't get why they'd do it. I don't see what any of these people are saying that BP can't survive.

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reply to post by bikeshedding


Listen, I'm not combative, I'm just impatient, we don't have time to play reindeer games, roger that?

I'd love to hold your hand and walk you through the nefarious agendas amidst the world we live in. Unfortunately, time is of the essence, so if I come off a bit strong, I'm sorry, but deal with it.

I have never claimed that this 100% foul play. I am speculating and trying to connect the dots as I imagine most other concerned citizens are doing as well.

I mean hello, we are on ATS, a conspiracy forum, remember? Why do people get so bent out of shape when their fabricated existence of reality is obliterated?

Accept it and open your eyes to the fact that we are being deceived and duped on almost every level.

You can continue to accept the status quo with no questions asked, but I myself cannot.

So by all means agree to disagree and move on.

reply to post by OnTheFelt


Your impatience comes off as combativeness, like it or not. You use condescending phrases like "I'd love to hold your hand..." and you assume that I have no knowledge of the topic matter. You reduce my argument to the equivalent of an ostrich sticking its head in the ground rather than face anything that confronts my definition of reality. That is presumptuous at best and intended as an insult at worst. It's as if you can't actually make a point without being derogatory to someone while making it. That may not be what you intend when you type, but it is what I see when it hits the screen. Perhaps others are more likely to accommodate your behavior, but I am not.

We are also daily duped by ourselves. We look for patterns that aren't there and find patterns that don't actually connect. Speculation is fun but if you don't root it in some degree of reality (according to Philip K. Dick, that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away), I don't see how it is helpful. You should be careful that you aren't doing this.

Simply because I am towing the party line *in this instance* doesn't mean that I always do. What you're not getting is that I *have* speculated. I have considered the scenarios. I'm not blindly accepting what is being said, I'm questioning it, then saying, "the conspiracy angle doesn't seem likely to me given what I know at the moment." As a result, I have a different conclusion than yours. Neither can be fully proven at the moment, and we are each attached to our own ideas. If you don't have any other information to present nor the patience to present it, then my opinion sticks like it is and we'll have to agree to disagree.

Edited for clarity in a couple paragraphs.

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reply to post by bikeshedding


Fair enough. Hopefully, enough people will stay vigilant and open to new information as this complete and utter BP disaster unfolds.

All I ask is to keep an open eye to alternative theories and ideas, particularly since the mainstream medium of information has been proven to be quite fraudulent.

Remember, they want us to divided, that is the key and it is why you will always find posters like the person above who are literally paid to ensure the continued dissension.



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reply to post by Phage


A much more meaningful figure would be the number of deaths of those connected to BP compared to the overall death rate. not likely to see that one though I think a skilled sleuth could determine it.Actually the best assessment would be the death rate among those involved with this event compared to the mean.Although as the Exxon Valdez has taught we will need to wait about 20 yrs for those figure to be developed. This is just for meaningful figures about the incident not the two deaths which work out quite conveniently for BP.
Seriously if they were "whacked" there is no way it will look like it or be proved otherwise anyway.
So yeah, unless it's "2 to the chest,2 to the head" with 22 long rifle bullets we are all speculating and that is what it will likely remain. I recognize your perspective and respect your figures,but in the very real wake of the fact were it a "hit" barring yet another disputed whistleblower we will NEVER know more than the lie and speculation.
Meanwhile tossing different scenarios about is no reason to deride the post as I see often done and admit my own guilt in.
I would suggest rather than berate ignorance as I seee done and have done that simply offering ones view of facts minus the alpha dog stature would create a much more fluid exchange than the hacking at opposing views which occurs.
N.

Originally posted by misinformational
reply to post by SubPop79

 

Proper cause for concern indeed.

Here we have the most publicly notable opponent of BP's transactions regarding Deepwater Horizon - Wasn't he even the one that claimed there was a MUCH larger spill going unreported.

I'll certainly be watching this story. And no, I had no yet heard the news, many thanks for the OP.

Misinformational, the info I have indicates that BP drilled two wells at the Macondo site. The first well, Well A. was abandoned. The second well, Well B, is the one that blew. There's so much confusion around this because the MSM is NOT reporting on it. But Simmons mentioned it, among other things. My point is that Simmons knew.

Here's a link showing that there's still a leak the MSM is ignoring.

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...

I have all kinds of questions. Does anyone here know more about this?

SeaWind

reply to post by SeaWind


I've also seen that youtube video.. There are a couple of threads here discussing the multiple well-head leak theory (one I believe created just this week)...

I'd suggest following up there.