Eyes on the Skies Over Bushehr Nuclear Reactor

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by minkey53

 

Why do they need Nuclear Power when they have like, a 100 years of oil under their feet?

Because they have the right under NPT to obtain Nuclear Power.

Why do they need it>?

Non of your business.

Why does the US need 5000 nukes?

THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

If I go into a bar, I can happily and safely have a couple of drinks, no problem.

Put an alcoholic in there and they will drink a lot more.

The US and other Countries aren't going round blowing themselves up killing people, sponsoring and training terrorists to cause problems in Israel and other areas and aren't defying several sets of UN Sanctions.

It's a completely different ball game and Iran has the technology to produce Nuclear Weapons, they will and then Saudi and loads of other countries will want them too.

Iran simply can't be trusted to be a nuclear weapon capable country given their motives and history, can't you see that?

reply to post by minkey53

The US and other Countries aren't going round blowing themselves up killing people, sponsoring and training terrorists to cause problems in Israel

Your so right.

We're doing it to protect and serve them!

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Agit8dChop]

Originally posted by minkey53


THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

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Iran simply can't be trusted to be a nuclear weapon capable country given their motives and history, can't you see that?

Hang on-the ONLY country to have USED nuclear weapons offensivley IS the USA...

Yeah they can be trusted....to nuke Japan or to recycle spent(but still radio active)fuel rods into depleted Uranium munitions,which they then use en masse against whatever latest country they deem to be their latest enemy.

I bet all those families of the thousands of dead civilians think the USA are REAL trustworthy...

Originally posted by minkey53
THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

If you're going to make such claims you better be able to back them up.

So tell us, WHY can Iran not be trusted ?

They have been building this plant since I was 9 years old. I am now 45 years old. If I spent 36 years on a project, and someone came along and destroyed it in a matter of minuets, I’m quite certain that I would seek revenge.

Especially considering the fact that:

“Nothing about Bushehr violates any international agreements to which Iran is a party. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) was created to promote the use of "atoms for peace". The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which Iran signed in 1968 and ratified two years later obligates the five nuclear-weapon states (the U.S., Britain, France, Russia and China) to assist non-nuclear weapon states that signed the NPT in acquiring and utilising nuclear technology for energy production and other peaceful purposes.

I see America setting itself up for a good ass kicking from the entire planet.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Uhm.... Depleted Uranium is the waste Uranium-238 that gets discarded from enrichment. It's only very marginally radioactive - most of the toxic effects from it are from it being a heavy metal - like lead - not because it is radioactive. It has absolutely nothing to do with spent fuel.


reply to post by meteoritics


Iran has not been working on that plant that entire time...

[edit on 9/8/2010 by C0bzz]

Originally posted by minkey53


Why do they need Nuclear Power when they have like, a 100 years of oil under their feet?

Because Iran's oil infrastructure is ageing and needs foreign investment. As that is declining, Iran wants to end it's economic and energy dependence on oil.

Originally posted by minkey53
Why not let UN Inspectors in to check things, why ignore UN Sanctions?

Why should they? Saddam did that and Iraq still got bombed. Israel does not have UN Inspectors in to "check things" and ignores UN sanctions, so why should Iran have UN inspectors and abide by UN sanctions?

Originally posted by minkey53
Take a step back, this isn't for peaceful medicine and electric purposes!

Even if it's not, is it any business of the US administrations, Israel and their hangers-ons?

If the US, UK, Russia, France, China, India, Pakistan and North Korea can have nuclear weapons, then so can Iran if that's their wish.

No country who has nuclear weapons has the right to demand other countries do not have nuclear weapons. It's laughable hypocrisy.

Let's not have the "Oh well the US and UK and Israel and the others are responsible, peaceful nuclear powers, Iran would not be." arguement.

It's not Iran who has for the past 60 years waged war on her global neighbours, and in the past nine years alone has invaded and occupied two countries under false pretexts.

And don't get me started on nuclear powers arming to the teeth another nuclear power.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Regensturm]

I am glad I brought up some valid points and it is getting very interesting responses from you guys, thanks for enlighting me!

what is exactly wrong, with iran producing electricity?! half of the world has nuclear/electric powerplants.
it is just another excuse for a stupid war that will kill loads of innocents.

Originally posted by MegaCurious


Looks like Israel and the US need to make up their minds quick, as the radioactive material is on its way to the reactor. Otherwise, unless they want a radioactive catastrophe, they'll need to call it off.

Hopefully they get this started very soon and hopefully it's really huge.. I've got some.. err.. "anomalies" or aliens psychic or something in my head rumbling my stomach (extremely uncomfortable sensation) making it hard to type that I really need out RIGHT NOW! Unless that just means the attack on Iran is really really close.. we'll have to wait and see.

www.ipsnews.net
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply to post by humbleseeker

We can just bomb and run, we must educate and reform these countries.

Before you assume you have a lead on other nations it would be wise to do some reading. How do you want to reform and educate another nation when your own nation lacks a lot more education than Iran. But you wouldn´t know that would you? Your freedoms that are written down come from a people more advanced than your ancestors who crapped in buckets and threw them into streets at the time.

There are social reforms going on RIGHT NOW in Iran. Actual reforms that benefit A LOT of Iranians. Gasoline is becoming more expensive in Iran so that housing and insurance can become affordable. You see, when you make about 300 dollars a month and your rent is 500 dollars, not to forget the insurance costs for you and your family, gasoline is not really important. It is for cab drivers, but three guesses as to why electric cars are being invested in. The Iranian government is ready to offer its population a bunch of social reforms so that life becomes easier...along with the lifting of a lot of Islamic restrictments that have been going for at least a couple of years Iran is looking forward to a bright future...

Of course, a strong, united and working Iran is a danger to the rich people in the US and Israel.

Anyone notice the article mentions "before it can produce ELECTRICITY"? Is it not clear? Iran is looking to move on forward and leave these fossil fuels for what they are; history.

Who is this "we" you are talking about? I hope it's not the US government/military that you are talking about. That would be some ignorant stuff, mr. mason

All in all, a skewed worldview you have there...mason.

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reply to post by minkey53

Take a step back, this isn't for peaceful medicine and electric purposes!

Oh really? Why do you go around spouting ignorant bull like that? You can't think for yourself so you have Fox doing it for you? Or do you go around, inserting these words of hate then go around and say you brought up good points? Get lost, loonie.

THIS IS FOR MEDICINAL PURPOSES AND ELECTRICITY.

Do you know anyone who died of cancer because there is a lack of treatment due to the fact other countries are trying to stop yours from developing nuclear energy? By putting up blockades so that your educated cannot find jobs, businesses can hardly export, people die because of the lack of cancer-treatment(note: a huge increase in cancer rates in Iran can be spotted AFTER the US and Israel decided to meddle with Iran), hospitals have power outages routinely, continuous attempts to destabalize the nation, demonizing of its people and elected officials...etc...etc...

Do I need to continue?

No?

Then with all due respect, shut up. Stop parroting propaganda agencies.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by Zamini]

Originally posted by minkey53

THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US AND IRAN ALTOGETHER IS THAT IRAN NEVER ATTACKED OR INVADED ANY COUNTRY IN THE LAST 300 YEARS.

If I go into a bar, I can happily and safely have a couple of drinks, no problem.

well we dont know that do we? all we know is that you're ATS name is minkey53 and you're a fool who believes zionist propaganda.

Put an alcoholic in there and they will drink a lot more.

they will drink more than who? you? like i said we dont know you and that example you've given is in no way related to iran and its nuclear program.

The US and other Countries aren't going round blowing themselves up killing people, sponsoring and training terrorists to cause problems in Israel and other areas and aren't defying several sets of UN Sanctions.

Maybe the US and Israel are not blowing themselves up, but they're blowing other people up. The US and its friend saudi arabia support the biggest terrorist group in the world, al qaeda. why is alqaeda not blowing israelis up? why is alqaeda in afghanistan and iraq killing innocent people? why is al qaeda attacking european countries for no reason? why dont they help their palestanian brothers? because they're not brothers, they evil children killers just like the israeli government.

It's a completely different ball game and Iran has the technology to produce Nuclear Weapons, they will and then Saudi and loads of other countries will want them too.

No they dont. remember iraq had WMD. then after the invasion there was nothing. same with this. its the same game, attack iran, many people die and then few years later someone will come out and say iran never intended to make nuclear weapons. it was an error. a bit too late now.

Iran simply can't be trusted to be a nuclear weapon capable country given their motives and history, can't you see that?

history? what have they done? have they used a nuclear weapon before? on the other hand US has. the government took a big sh*t over you're face and now you cant see. cant you see???

Originally posted by minkey53

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by minkey53

 

Why do they need Nuclear Power when they have like, a 100 years of oil under their feet?

Because they have the right under NPT to obtain Nuclear Power.

Why do they need it>?

Non of your business.

Why does the US need 5000 nukes?

THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

If I go into a bar, I can happily and safely have a couple of drinks, no problem.

Put an alcoholic in there and they will drink a lot more.

The US and other Countries aren't going round blowing themselves up killing people, sponsoring and training terrorists to cause problems in Israel and other areas and aren't defying several sets of UN Sanctions.

It's a completely different ball game and Iran has the technology to produce Nuclear Weapons, they will and then Saudi and loads of other countries will want them too.

Iran simply can't be trusted to be a nuclear weapon capable country given their motives and history, can't you see that?

Hahaha...this is funny! Not sure if your being real here or not but America and the Western world have killed far more than any other nation/group of people. The US and Europe created Terrorism and they continue to fuel it to line their pockets!

Seriously...

reply to post by SUICIDEHK45


This is inline with the webbot project's prediction of "Israeli mistake". where the attack using a bunker buster would release the fumes into the Middle East and Far East region for many months - placing U.S. in a position where if they continue support of Israel - U.S. would be wiped off the earth. Either U.S. has to totally destroy Israel or face the world. Four Israeli cities would be nuke-destroyed. The start of all this would be if Israel strikes this site.

Let's hope this is all talk and not written.

The Bilderberg group already said yes to attacking Iran months ago. And what they say goes. The US will attack Iran Then Russia will intervene like planned and we will have WW3. Its not an `if` this will happen. Gona see a lot of innocent Man,Woman,children killed in Israel, America, Iran and Russia. There is no reason for the US to attacking Iran. None. The only threat to American citizens is the US corrupt government. And by them attacking Iran `with out asking me or my family first` or any American citizen is going to put all of are lives `all of mankind` in grave danger due to the nuclear holocaust we will ender.... Side note why did Obama get the Nobel piece prize again?? AND where is America getting the money to fund what will be at least a 4-5 year violent war??

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by minkey53

 

This nuclear plant at Bushehr is a light-water reactor, which renders it incapable of producing weapons grade plutonium .

Though Iran has plenty of oil it lacks the necessary infrastructure to refine it , thats why the sanction cut so deeply . It imports a substantial percentage of its refined petroleum needs .

It has a substantial investment already made in nuclear technology over the past decades - to cut it loose now would be a financial disaster as well as being seen to lose face internationally.

That is the common misconception about nuclear weapons... that uranium needs to be purified to 90% to be weapons grade. Nukes can be made with 20%, it's called weapons usable. The weapon will be extremely low yield (think 10's of tons of TNT instead of thousands of tons).
You want to know why everyone has their panties in a bunch about centrifuges? Because 20% is the first stage and Iran has kicked out tons of 20% weapons usable material.

Originally posted by minkey53
I am glad I brought up some valid points and it is getting very interesting responses from you guys, thanks for enlighting me!

you havent made any valid points...

just factless opinions and a sneaking suspicion you might be an alcoholic

reply to post by jaynkeel


Amen dude! Im so sick of people thinking America needs to be the worlds mediator. Its BS! When 911 or katrina happened I didn't see Israel troops or any other country for that matter helping out. Plus America is BROKE! We dont have the money for this crap. Californian just said there gona start paying their government officials minimum wage. How are they going to pay the poor brainwashed American solders that just wanted a free education? I fear were in for it this time bro if they bomb Iran.

Originally posted by minkey53

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by minkey53

 

Why do they need Nuclear Power when they have like, a 100 years of oil under their feet?

Because they have the right under NPT to obtain Nuclear Power.

Why do they need it>?

Non of your business.

Why does the US need 5000 nukes?

THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE US HAVING NUCLEAR POWER AND IRAN IS THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED!

Tell that to my Grandfather who died a slow death of cancer thanks to Hiroshima!

ugh.... if anybody had been paying attention for the last three months they'd know the fuel being delivered cannot be used for nuclear weapon production. Sorry to burst your respective bubbles. Anyway, Iran has every right to try and improve the quality of life for its citizens. I know Amadinejad is a little cooky but something tells me if your house was surrounded by eager invaders you'd be a little stressed out too. Heck I don't have a problem with Hugo either. What's wrong with you people so eager to KILL KILL KILL?

You should also know that the Russian scientists that are assisting Iran in building their powerplants are subsidized through a grant paid for by the U.S. Government. Ask Lou Dobbs if you don't believe me.

[edit on 9-8-2010 by kooloperator]