Bill S510 - They hate us for our freedoms...?

It looks like it is the US government, who hates you for your freedoms,
which of course, is why the patriot act and the enemy combatant act describes patriots as terrorists...
Of course it seems to be all the western governments in one way or another.

It looks like this bill S510, is designed to criminalize anyone who wants to take care of themselves, or to barter out side the system in regards to food.
They are already swat teaming the Amish, and unpasturized Milk producers, and retailers, and shutting down little girl's lemonade stands...

Then there is the financial bill that requires a tax report on any purchase of goods or services over 600 dollars... Got to get that last tax dollar out of you and this way YOU are expected to RAT out everyone who does business with you...

"If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public's right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes. It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one's choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God." It is similar to what India faced with imposition of the salt tax during British rule, only S 510 extends control over all food in the US, violating the fundamental human right to food." ~ Dr. Shiv Chopra, Canada Health whistleblower.

To pound the point home in reality it home, farmers in Iraq hacve been under this draconian system for some years. I guess that is one reason they descibe it as a crucible.

Monsanto says it has no interest in the bill and would not benefit from it, but Monsanto's Michael Taylor who gave us rBGH and unregulated genetically modified (GM) organisms, appears to have designed it and is waiting as an appointed Food Czar to the FDA (a position unapproved by Congress) to administer the agency it would create without judicial review if it passes.

S 510 would give Monsanto unlimited power over all US seed, food supplements, food AND FARMING

Look what happened to Percy Schmieser:

The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) released its position paper on Genetically Modified foods stating that "GM foods pose a serious health risk" and calling for a moratorium on GM foods. Citing several animal studies, the AAEM concludes "there is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects" and that "GM foods pose a serious health risk in the areas of toxicology, allergy and immune function, reproductive health, and metabolic, physiologic and genetic health."

www.percyschmeiser.com...

The life expectancy gap between rich and poor people in England is widening, despite years of government and NHS action, a hard-hitting National Audit Office report reveals...
...Michelle Mitchell, charity director at Age UK, said the big gap in life expectancy had to be tackled in the light of the government's intention to increase the age at which people can draw the state pension

socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com...

Is this really as bad as it looks?
Are you really just a tax paying bag of mostly water, who is designed to die after all the use is sucked out of you...?


[edit on 8-8-2010 by Danbones]

For those interested, I'm pretty sure this is the bill referenced above. I'm in the process of reading it now, so I'll withhold comment on the OP until I do.

EDIT: It appears that everything on the first 120 pages has been struck (that's typically the only reason they put the line through it) so skip to that point if you're going to read it.

Edit 2: This version is easier to read, and isn't a pdf.

[edit on 8-8-2010 by Jenna]

if something ever passed making it illegal for us to grow our own food, making common farmers criminals, i would say they had crossed my line in the sand and would feel compelled to act. however, this seems too outrageous to be true and would probably never be passed in a million years.

You know what regulations create?

Black markets. Illegal trade. Crime.

Why?

Because most people would rather take the risk to keep things "under the table" than to give in to this crap.

Remember prohibition doesn't work.

Reading through, I'm not seeing anything that applies to individuals. What I do see is changes for places where food is "manufactured, processed, packed, or held" to decrease the likelihood of food becoming contaminated. Some language requiring the Secretary of Education to come up with a plan for food allergy management which basically is having school representatives sit down with parents to work out a plan to keep their kids from eating something they're allergic to.

Then there's this part:

SEC. 205. PILOT PROJECT TO ENHANCE TRACEBACK AND RECORDKEEPING WITH RESPECT TO PROCESSED FOOD.
(a) In General- As soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall establish a pilot project to explore and evaluate methods for rapidly and effectively tracking and tracing processed food so that, if an outbreak occurs involving such a processed food, the Secretary may quickly identify the source of the outbreak and the recipients of the contaminated food.
(b) Consultation- In establishing the pilot project under subsection (a), the Secretary shall consult with food processors and relevant businesses of varying size.

(c) Content- The Secretary shall select participants from the processed food industry to run a project which overall shall include 1 or more different types of processed food that have been the subject of outbreaks during the 5-year period preceding the date of enactment of this Act and shall be selected in order to develop and demonstrate--
(1) methods that are applicable and appropriate for small businesses; and
(2) technologies, including existing technologies, that enhance traceback and trace forward.

(d) Report- The Secretary shall report to Congress on the findings of the pilot project under this section, together with recommendations for establishing more effective traceback and trace forward procedures for processed food.
(e) Processed Food- In this section, the term ‘processed food’ has the meaning given such term in section 201(gg) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 321(gg)).

I'm not too keen on the government being able to track what food I buy. Especially given their new health care law.. Could just be me though..

So, no. The bill isn't trying to do anything to people who grow their own food. It's changing what already exists for facilities that manufacture, process, pack or hold processed foods and for foreign importers. The only thing involving individual people is the part I quoted above and a section protecting whistle-blowers.

I'm gong to read the versions of the Bill you posted Jenna, I'm not so familiar with how bills are processed in the US...

What concerns me even so is the trend that is extrapolated from what already is...
Like the strangle hold Monsanto has in Iraq and what happened with Percy Schmieser. Though it appears he has finally won something it is after he lost everything.
And the financial reform bill just passed creates a new agency that apparently just take over or nationalize companies deemed to put the economy at risk...

What also has me wary are events like this

On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized. At some point, the “bad cop” SWAT team was relieved by another team, a “good cop” team that tried to befriend the family. The Stowers family has run a very large, well-known food cooperative called Manna Storehouse on the western side of the greater Cleveland area for many years.

cryptogon.com...

California's Rawesome Foods recently got the SWAT-team treatment. Last month, local authorities burst into the private food club, guns blazing Wild West-style. They looked under counters, poked around veggie bins, and raided the store's fridges. The cops found what they were looking for, confiscated it, and temporarily shut down the grocer.

food.change.org...

Then, guns drawn, four officers fanned out across Rawesome Foods in Venice. Skirting past the arugula and peering under crates of zucchini, they found the raid’s target inside a walk-in refrigerator: unmarked jugs of raw milk.

“I still can’t believe they took our yogurt,” said Rawesome volunteer Sea J. Jones, a few days after the raid. “There’s a medical marijuana shop a couple miles away, and they’re raiding us because we’re selling raw dairy products?”

cryptogon.com...

SWAT Goons Dispatched On Homeschoolers in Colorado
In Garfield County, Colorado, not only will the state determine if you should take your child to a doctor after a mishap, but if you don't comply with their on-high directives, they will dispatch a SWAT team to ensure compliance.

According to Tom Shiflett, a Vietnam vet, his son was injured during horseplay, WorldNetDaily reports. Shiflett's son, John, "was grabbing the door handle of a car as his sister was starting to drive away slowly. He slipped, fell to the ground and hit his head�. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems."

www.infowars.com...


I find this really chilling...
I'll read the versions of S 510, thanks again Jenna

They have already determined that unpasturized milk is dangerous. so they can arbitrality just go in with a swat team. This section would allow them to trace all te customers too...I think...

2) USE OF OR EXPOSURE TO FOOD OF CONCERN- If the Secretary believes that there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to an article of food, and any other article of food that the Secretary reasonably believes is likely to be affected in a similar manner, will cause serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals, each person (excluding farms and restaurants) who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports such article shall, at the request of an officer or employee duly designated by the Secretary, permit such officer or employee, upon presentation of appropriate credentials and a written notice to such person, at reasonable times and within reasonable limits and in a reasonable manner, to have access to and copy all records relating to such article and to any other article of food that the Secretary reasonably believes is likely to be affected in a similar manner, that are needed to assist the Secretary in determining whether there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to the food will cause serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Black market which like you say, is to be expected...
They must expect this too hence the SWAT teams...chilling

The sad truth is that if the establishment has there way we will all have to abide by the hand that will feed us. I love my country, but it has gone too far. All I want as a citizen is a military to protect the land, and the highway system is realy cool too. Basic laws be enforced dont kill, dont steal, dont rape ect... Let the people be free!

In light of NAFTA and GATT and the NAU SPP stuff and the WHO this is scary. They are saying in Canada that we have given up our sovereignty over a similar provision in a similar bill.

sec 404:

Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party.

www.opencongress.org...

Kind of like going after guns via the internatioal treaty method

Here is wher it gets scary I think...
we all know who the terrorists are (see above) and what ecoli is etc...

‘(A) provide sufficient flexibility to be applicable to various types of entities engaged in the production and harvesting of raw agricultural commodities, including small businesses and entities that sell directly to consumers, and be appropriate to the scale and diversity of the production and harvesting of such commodities;

‘(B) include, with respect to growing, harvesting, sorting, packing, and storage operations, minimum standards related to soil amendments, hygiene, packaging, temperature controls, animal encroachment, and water

thats all the growers processers and the water

(C) consider hazards that occur naturally, may be unintentionally introduced, or may be intentionally introduced, including by acts of terrorism;

the patriots

‘(D) take into consideration, consistent with ensuring enforceable public health protection, conservation and environmental practice standards and policies established by Federal natural resource conservation, wildlife conservation, and environmental agencies;

the SWAT teams

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(E) in the case of production that is certified organic, not include any requirements that conflict with or duplicate the requirements of the national organic program established under the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 (7 U.S.C. 6501 et seq.), while providing for public health protection consistent with the requirements of this Act

www.opencongress.org...


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That is scary. I guess all I can say is stock up on guns and maybe organize cell groups to protect yourself from the government. Wow did I say that I guess I did.

reply to post by humbleseeker

Same same in Canada and I'll bet Britain, and the EU, except the guns have all ready been reduced as a danger to the state in most countries...

(3) LIMITED DISTRIBUTION- In the interest of national security, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, may determine the time and manner in which the guidance documents issued under paragraph (1) are made public, including by releasing such documents to targeted audiences.

www.opencongress.org...

looks like they don't have to tell any one about rules changes

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You know what regulations create?

Black markets. Illegal trade. Crime.

Why?

Because most people would rather take the risk to keep things "under the table" than to give in to this crap.

Remember prohibition doesn't work.

I have posted it elsewhere, but based on what you said it fits again.

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
— Ayn Rand

As I have also said I do not agree with all writings of any writer,
but this one is a clarion call against tyranny.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech

That is a good way of describing a bad situation...
Paint the Peeps as racist, or they smoke, or they produce Unpasturized milk, or they home school...

With regards to this particular bill I'll be more apt to comment further when it leaves committee, until then, I urge you to read The Vast Majority of Bills Go Nowhere (Encore).

How American laws get made and passed is something like this:

Congressperson introduces bill.
Bill gets sent to congressional committee (small board of about 6 congresspersons).
Committee approves or disapproves or does nothing to the bill.
Approval results in votes on the bill by all members of congress.
Disapproval or inaction means the bill is dead.

Here's the old Schoolhouse Rock video: How a Bill Becomes a Law

This bill is still less than a year old, so it's still got a chance. It seems like a generally good idea. I noticed a lot of your quotes referred to what the bill could do as opposed to what it says it will do.

The problems with today's food is with the industrialized factory operations that produce it. There is relatively less risk with food that is produced on small scale organic farms.

Large ops are susceptible to large scale disasters when something goes wrong, be it accidental or intentional (terrorist) in nature. It is a good thing to try and regulate what goes on in those settings. It is a good thing to also ensure traceability of food so that it doesn't take 2 months to find out where a batch of contaminated lettuce comes from.

It would be a far better thing yet to eliminate the factory farms from existence, but that isn't going to happen, at least not until something of historic proportions happens.

In the meantime, there is a real problem when rules meant for industrial agriculture get applied to the little guys, and to you and me gardener individually. That is where it is wrong.

Will the legislators be smart enough to protect/exempt individuals, entrepreneurs and small producers? If not, then they risk a full out rebellion against all the World organizations that obviously act only for the Monsantos and not us.

reply to post by Danbones

They tried this last year in the House with HR 2749, The Food Safety Enhancement Act. (Led by Monsanto, I believe through a Congresswoman who works for them)

Did you like to try new salsas, candies, preserves, dips and cheeses at Farmers' Markets and craft shows? Most may disappear under new regulations and fees to be imposed in the name of "food safety."

While the FDA should focus on the major manufacturers and prevention of contamination, the new focus is regulation, fees and record-keeping that will unfairly imact small, local producers.

The "traceability" provisions require people who produce or hold food products for sale to maintain source and content records and comply with strict inspection and reporting standards, and to prepare and provide a "safety plan" for FDA review.

While these provisions do not apply to farms that sell directly to consumers, they make no exemption for small-scale producers of "homemade" or "artisan" food products.

In addition to creating a food registry – and a $1,000 annual registration fee – the Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009 would give the FDA the authority to:

-- specify minimum requirements for food safety plans;
-- issue regulations for the safe production and harvesting of fruits and vegetables;
-- increase inspections of food facilities;
-- improve the “traceability” of food by requiring people to keep complete records of a food’s origin and distribution history;
-- impose stricter criminal and financial penalties on producers that fail to comply with safety requirements.
Compare the texts, here's the House version:

energycommerce.house.gov...

[edit on 15-8-2010 by jdub297]

reply to post by jdub297

Apparently washing is processing.
I also heard that when farmers process chicken out doors under the sun's UV that there is 50.000 times less bacteria, but the government wants things done their way.
its better.