Obama is a right wing neocon who loves America and corporations.

It certainly is true that many right wingers claim that Obama and the Democrats hate America. You will hear this shouted all the time. People will say, oh the Democrats want to destroy the capitalist system of America.

NO, THIS IS A BIG LIE. The Democrats don't want to destroy America. They want to help the corporate capitalist system we have get even bigger and better, and to kill the little people.

Obama keeps the people on his base from speaking out by using FAKE POPULISM. What is fake populism you ask? He and the Democrats secretly caters to the business class- while he pretends to be angry at what's going on. Let me provide a few examples of how Obama and the Democrats use fake populism.

www.nytimes.com...

www.boston.com...

As you can see, Obama and Joe Biden were both furious about the bank bonuses. They were terribly upset at AIG. But, was Obama really upset? NO HE WAS NOT. In fact Obama was glad that they bailed out AIG.

blogs.abcnews.com...

You see? Obama doesn't hate capitalism. In fact he loves it so much he doesn't want it to die, and, he'll help all the fat cats to stay up there. While it is true that Obama doesn't like free market capitalism- the elites don't really want that. Not even Ronald Reagan wanted free market capitalism. Ronald Reagan wanted supply side economics (en.wikipedia.org...) and was foolish enough to believe that more tax cuts would produce more revenue. But that's another story. You make tax cuts so that you have smaller government- NOT TO HAVE MORE REVENUE. More revenue gives you more government, and, Reagan was just using a lot of his money on military socialism.

But, aside from that. The Democrats love corporations. They have bailed out the health care industry by letting them have a mandate to force everyone to buy private health care insurance... which is essentially enslaving all of us in order to buy health care. Before the environmental bill was dropped- they made concessions to corporations so they would protect the status-quo (www.politico.com...).

Obama is also a lobbyist shill. Remember all the hard lined rhetoric he used against lobbyists during the campaign? He knew what he had to say to win, but, in reality he was working for them. He was the lobbyist President... just for examples of former lobbyists in his cabinet.

Here are former lobbyists Obama has tapped for top jobs:

Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm.

Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.

William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.

William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.

David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.

Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.

Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.

Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.

Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.

Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.

Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.

Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.

www.politico.com...

You see, Obama loves lobbyists too.

He doesn't hate America, as, the right wingers claim. In fact he has made glowing statements about the country, and, well of course while we may not like our government- I think we may be able to agree with Obama that we live in a great country (www.guardian.co.uk...). But, aside from that- it shows that Obama doesn't hate America, like the right wingers claim he does, but he really loves it.

While Obama may claim to believe in just wars (www.npr.org...) as he said in his noble peace prize speech in reality he believes otherwise. He has expanded the secret war on terror to 75 different countries (www.washingtonpost.com...)- probably ones that didn't even attack us in the first place... so Obama hasn't really deviated from the historical policy of American interventionism from Presidents in the past.

And let's not forget that the Democrats haven't closed gitmo yet, that they've voted to extend the Patriot Act, that Obama didn't fillibuster Telecomm immunity like he said he would during the campaign, and that much of the Bush policies that leftists disliked so much have been institutionalized (rawstory.com...).

There, okay, I've made my case. What do you all think?

That's.... everything republicans are accused of doing and/or wanting. I do believe you've single-handedly shown that both sides truly are the same and that there's no difference between the parties. I'm a bit dumb-founded at the moment. I mean, I already knew there wasn't much difference between them. Just hadn't seen it laid out quite like that before.

reply to post by Jenna


But there are some true Democrats and Republicans. Ones that stick to what their parties original intention was and they aren't bought and sold. I can think of a couple Democrats but only two Republicans.

Democrats:

Sherrod Brown
Alan Grayson
Bernie Sanders - Independent, Caucuses with Dem.
Jim McDermott
Marcy Kaptur
Dennis Kucinich

Republicans:

Ronald Paul
Bob Inglis

These Representatives truly Represent Americans, America and what their parties originally stood for before the massive lies, corruption and sellouts.

reply to post by Misoir


A few here and there, yeah. I agree with you on that. But for the most part, there's really not much of a difference between the two. Most politicians are more concerned with doing what they're told and playing follow the leader or getting re-elected than they are with sticking to their guns. And when it comes right down to it, both parties generally do what benefits them most with little concern for whether or not it will benefit the country as a whole all the while telling us it's for our own good.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Franky did you have some magical moment recently? Yes the actions by Obama are socialism for the rich and corporate America and capitalism for the middle and lower class. The government funds the rich and corporations with grants and business opportunity. Middle and lower class get a job out of it. We get to work, while they get a handout for our labor.

Shocker.

How did it take you a year to work out?

Although I'd disagree on the 'neocon' part, personally.

[edit on 7-8-2010 by LeftWingLarry]

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Frankidealist35

 

Franky did you have some magical moment recently? Yes the actions by Obama are socialism for the rich and corporate America and capitalism for the middle and lower class. The government funds the rich and corporations with grants and business opportunity. Middle and lower class get a job out of it. We get to work, while they get a handout for our labor.

'Socialism for the rich' ceases to really be socialism at all.

It's just corporate welfare; similar in practice, totally different in aim.

reply to post by Misoir


great list of "independent" thinkers there! and even that group can quite frequently be bent to the "party" will...

two parties, one path... if you appear to be on the left or right side of a single one-way road, you still are heading to the same place.

reply to post by LeftWingLarry


That's a very good point. I guess it would be like what some people say. If it were really socialism- you could tell... Obama would be giving the money from the rich to the poor. Instead of that he is keeping the status quo, and, he's giving them the money, and, continuing the policy of corporate welfare.

And he really is a moderate neocon. He may not be calling for endless wars like Bush was, but, he believes in using special forces around the world and he also believes in the same Democracy promotion stuff that neocon believes in.

reply to post by Frankidealist35


ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: "The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s" (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)

www.thefreedictionary.com...

Wiki says:

In January 2009, at the close of President George W. Bush's second term in office, Jonathan Clarke, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs, proposed the following as the "main characteristics of neoconservatism"[46]:

* "a tendency to see the world in binary good/evil terms
* low tolerance for diplomacy
* readiness to use military force
* emphasis on US unilateral action
* disdain for multilateral organizations
* focus on the Middle East
* an us versus them mentality".

Out of this list I can see one, maybe two of those things as Obama. He seems to me to be more of a Populist- doing things which he believes will win him the support of the American public. He also seems to be a hawk when it comes to wanting to spread his own ideals around the world, but on its own that doesn't make him a neocon. It just makes him somewhat idealistic. He doesn't seem nearly as socially conservative as one would expect from a neocon, for example.


[edit on 7-8-2010 by LeftWingLarry]

Neo-conservatives derive their philosophy from trotsky. Many key figures in the bush administration studied under Irving Kristol at the University of Chicago.

Trotskyism is a leftist ideology.

reply to post by LeftWingLarry


I've already explained his use of populism. That's just what Obama wants you to think he is. He wants you to think that he is for the people, and, that he is for everyone else, and that he is pandering to everyone else. Is that what he is really doing? NO, that isn't what he is doing. In reality he is being controlled by the same hidden hand behind the scenes (the powerful corporations) that control the government, just like all the other puppets are. He tells people that he's going to reform health care, and then, he talks to the health care companies and cuts a deal with them. He acts like he's a populist for the common people- but then he strikes deals with the corporations that he claims he's fighting.

Obama is a pawn like all the pawns before him or rather puppet of the bankers. Great post and this blast from the past proves it.

The Bankers' Manifesto of 1934

Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an IMPERIALISM of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus by discrete action we can secure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished.

circleof13.blogspot.com...

We need to stop calling Obama a socialist. He's an extreme fascist, just like the Bush goofs and really anyone else that would have the connections to get into office in the white house.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by LeftWingLarry

 

I've already explained his use of populism. That's just what Obama wants you to think he is. He wants you to think that he is for the people, and, that he is for everyone else, and that he is pandering to everyone else. Is that what he is really doing? NO, that isn't what he is doing. In reality he is being controlled by the same hidden hand behind the scenes (the powerful corporations) that control the government, just like all the other puppets are. He tells people that he's going to reform health care, and then, he talks to the health care companies and cuts a deal with them. He acts like he's a populist for the common people- but then he strikes deals with the corporations that he claims he's fighting.

Politicians lie. Some of them are huge liars, like your last few presidents. Of course he acts like he's 'for the common people'; How else would he get elected?

That doesn't make him a neocon, though. He says what the public wants to hear and then goes ahead with his own agenda and the agenda of his corporate masters anyway. He's a populist, a liar and a skilled politician.

Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14
We need to stop calling Obama a socialist. He's an extreme fascist, just like the Bush goofs and really anyone else that would have the connections to get into office in the white house.

Oh good, it's that buzzword again.

He's not a fascist.

reply to post by LeftWingLarry


If we call Obama a capitalist we might aswell rewrite history and add Mao to the list of devout capitalists. Obamas policies, imo, tend towards the Fascist model, also known as Corperatism. But his nationalization policies could also be labeled as Socialist (aka Communist). But the one thing he *isnt* is a Capitalist, if we define Capitalism as the free exchange of goods and private property.

What Obama is, is a thug. A robber, a theif, a scoundrel, a liar. The man himself holds nothing but a cerimonial position that is in fact directed by the international crime syndicate known as the New World Order. To ascribe any political philosophy to these gang of murderes and rapists is to give them too much credit and not enough scrutiny. Obama, the man, the position he holds, is meaningless in the real power structure. He is a frontman for the Eugenical Oligarchy, the International Plutocracy, or whatever term we dream up to desribe a worldwide gang of invaders and conquerers.

So lets not get caught up in the 'isms' as we so commonly do. Obama is an enemy to us all as he represents the tiny, yet enourmously powerful faction that sees us, all 6+ billion of us, as 'useless eaters' and a threat to their everlasting domination.

So how about we just call a spade a spade, and Obama a mid level thug.

A henchman, a sychophantic lacky. Anything else is just wordplay.

*edit* response was not directed at LW Larry, wrong button. Sorry, force of habit.

[edit on 8-8-2010 by Neo_Serf]

reply to post by zzombie


Upon some research, he has nothing to do with Trotskyism and hasn't since 1940 when he was young and in college.

Sooo.................. Fission Mailed

Obama and his Corporate Cronies have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that all politicians, Republican and Democrat, are on the same Team(tm). They use issues like abortion, gun control, and teaching creationism in schools to make it appear like there is a difference; but they all dance to the same Corporatist tune.

The Oligarchs win; everybody else loses. Look how Social Security and Medicare 'reform' is now Bi-Partisan and inevitable. It is no longer a question of IF, but WHEN. Of course our trillion dollar wars will continue to be funded, they will just need your retirement money to do it. As teachers are laid off, roads crumble and our Empire collapses, at least the sheeple think they are making a "choice" when they vote.

The illusion of Democracy is complete.

(In other words, I agree completely with the OP)

This is the fact,

despite desperate, corporate sponsored, teabaghead propaganda to the contrary.

They also want you to be misled into thinking the Republicans are any kind of genuine alternative to Obama.

The deception is that there is ANY significant difference between corporate Republicans & corporate Democrats.

[edit on 8-8-2010 by slank]