Plugging the WikiLeak: What can the government do?

Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by mydarkpassenger

 

RSA vs AES

Ach! I plead brainfart.

reply to post by qualitygossip


They dont have to "make" anything up, they can use 18 USC 798. - Unauthorized disclosure of classifed information.

Discloure of Classified Information

FoxNews Wiki Leak update - Pentagon



[edit on 7-8-2010 by Xcathdra]

The solution is very simple: they should behave and act according to international laws.

Secrets exists for a reason, to hide stuff. If you have nothing bad to hide you don't mind police stopping your car and searching it for no reason, right? The same apply to governments.

reply to post by I AM LEGION


The more i see of wikileaks the more i think that this entire thing is an intelligence plot to control the net. Think about it. You produce a website (wikileaks) with an underdog as the hero (assange) and release secrets that the public is not meant to hear. But you don't release anything which could completely wreck your country of course. You make sure to present the website as simply upholding the ideals of freedom and to keep people guessing you make sure to release things about multiple countries and private organisations.

Then you step things up, releasing documents which could be harmful, you stoke a public outcry and voices from the government start to call out. The international community gets angry and you act like you can't do anything about it because the internet is all open and free.

The solution of course is to heavily restrict what people can do online, you present this in a nice little package to the public saying it'll stop online fraud, it'll stop paedophiles online and it will stop this terrible, traitorous website that is out to take down the free world.

Maybe this is slightly paranoid but it is the sort of tactic the intelligence services employ. Just read up the official histories of various intelligence operations to see it.

I did think Assange was a hero but i'm just not sure anymore.

if you read the article, the own writer gets to the conclusion there is nothing they can do about it

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
This is a 2 part problem. The first part is that the Pentagon and military officials, do remember the vietnam era, and the first time scenes of the battlefield got viewed by the public. This ultimately caused the general public to decry against the vietnam conflic, and made people to go against the Government and cause mass civil unrest.
So the first thing the Government is trying to do is damage control. The other thing that the government can do, and it is in the works, is to get an injunction against the Freedom of Information ACT, along with classifiying all of the documents that are suspected to be taken, to where it is against the law to have and or distribute these documents, to prevent such from being viewed by the general population, along with giving an order, to where everything that happens in a conflict zone is now classified information, talking or distributing first hand accounts is punishable, in accordance to the UCMJ, along with several federal statutes and laws.

The problem with that is the whole pesky 1st Amendment. That little document that is of HIGHER authority than any military command or directive. The FOIA is a right of the American people, and no UCMJ article can contradict the US Constitution. The Constitution always comes first.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the military itself may be doing this? The military has been deployed in action far longer now than during any other conflict. If I were a betting man, I'd wager that this is the military doing this trying to bring the powers that be to their knees, and to get the military out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Non-stop deployments are literally no way to keep a military happy. The massive suicide rates are another indication. As people start to see that there's no winning these conflicts (aside from the choice to literally annihilate the population and that anyone breathing is the enemy and is immediately killed), they will refuse to enlist. When that happens, we'll have more stop-loss and we'll have the draft reinstated.

The key is to remove the military from these locations, and to remove them from deployments. Every time I see this information being leaked, it sounds to me like the military has had enough orders from TPTB.

Perpetual war is NOT a solution, it's the death of a nation.

NOTHING! they cant stop it. even if they manage to get ahold of assange what about all the others who help him? No matter what they do they cant stop it from being leaked.

Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14
reply to post by Solomons

 

Maybe I'm stretching the on-topicness of this, but I've wondered this for awhile so I'll just kinda piggyback off your comment.

Is there any way us lowly sheeple can attempt to take the Pentagon or White House officials to court? I imagine it would be instantly blocked, but whatever happens to those people that randomly try to take a high-ranking official to court?

How can they NOT show up in court? If I don't show up in court, I'm arrested. Does anyone see where I'm going with this? Is it plausible at all?

"They" wouldn't show up because you can't sue the government. The government controls the legal system. The judge is government.

However, you can sue individuals who work for the government.

If the file contains the cables then a lot of governments will have their nose out of joint if the cables are candid about other leaders short comings or secrets. The other governments people might not like some of the deals their leaders are cutting with the US.

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So what's the deal? A few days ago many on ATS were expressing distrust of Wikileaks and their intentions. Now we're back to thinking they're the real deal and that they are a real threat to the government's secrets?

Maybe Wikileaks is just another of the government's "operations" that's being used to establish grounds to censor other websites by making the public believe our national security is under some kind of cyber attack.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
I think the whole Wikileaks thing is mostly propaganda with ulterior motives to attack the Internet as a whole. But this is merely my instinctual predicament, and admittedly is just a hypothesis based on circumstantial occurrences.

Why has there never been press over the countless other websites that are currently exposing countless things?
((snip))

Wikileaks?, uh.. not sure. Reading your post reminded me of a movie... about the Bradley fighting vehicle I think.. got me thinking in conspiracy mode

In the flick.. these military / pentagon factions were having a urinating contest, a military officer dude was seeking documents that would ostensibly embarrass certain powers. Those certain powers arranged to bury reality like a needle in a haystack by physically flooding dudes office with reams of paperwork.

..AND on a bigger scale, isn't that how the TPTB/"the man" bury truth & reality?.. behind a dozen+ intelligence insulting mindless MSM shills, American Idol, breaking news about Lindsay Lohan and all that?

Wikileakls could have made headlines every week/month and given the govt fits leaking details slower.. maybe arranging them to paint a bigger picture.

It doesn't take a ton of media savvy to figure out the MSM & govt could treat all 90,000 documents as a single incident, "1 leak"... then after a week or 2 of "official" lip service to minimize headlines... just like 9/11, the govt declares "the wikileaks incident " as "case closed"... Which is a signal of sorts to the MSM that any new damning/embarrassing information from that leak has satisfactorily been explained.. those who think otherwise are conspiracy theorists who hate america, puppies plus mom and her infidel lovers pie..

I find it comforting to believe humankind is evolving towards a unity conciousness wherein events and actions will be accessable instantly as if everything that happens is recorded on an etheric hard drive. Basically, no more secrets.

I have held this belief long before the Internet existed. Between sites like this, ubiquitous access to the www, Twitter and now wikileaks, it is becoming increasingly obvious that our evolution is a foregone conclusion. It seems that we are in the "training wheel" stage.

The genie is out of the bottle. They may be able to stop Wiki, but there is no going back.

Anybody who entertains the thought that the Internet will be shut down is kidding themselves at best.

We are living in the most amazing times in the history of humankind.

Just like learning to ride a bike, there is going to be scrapes. The problem is the bully who doesn't want anybody else learning to ride.

As soon as we collectively realize there are billions of us, againsts thousands of him, life on Earth will never be the same.

I love wikileaks. I love ATS and I can't wait to feel what everybody is thinking.

Go ahead and flame away. I can't feel anything but well wishes

Let the onslaught to regulate the internet for "national security" begin. Wikileaks most likely involved. Release SOMETHING THAT WILL CHANGE THINGS FOREVER, FOR THE GOOD OF PEOPLE. I hope that happens..

Originally posted by I AM LEGION
Does anyone remember how people like Dick Cheney disclosed the identity of under cover CIA agents (Valerie Palma), and it was OK to print that. Why didn't these so called experts raised the possibility of destroying, striking or eliminating that leak source? Or do we need some kind of referee to tell us which leaks are ok and which are not.

Its ok to print that because its Cheney-
the same man who was in power in 75' & collaborated in conspiring against P.O.W's returning from 'nam-
P.O.W's brainwashed with the 'artichoke' interrogation techniques picked up from/shared with the Nazi's -
Brainwashed because they publically revealed the truth regarding the use of germ bombs-
the germ bombs that included anthrax-
which was invented in an american laboratory by Frank Olsen-
The man who participated in human experimentation & torture/interrogations (MK-Ultra) in one of the CIA HQ's in europe;
and who was later murdered in 1953 by his employer for being a leaky bucket.

As proven by his son, Eric Olsen, in the documentary "Biological warfare & the CIA: Project Artichoke"

Dick Cheyney-
A proven conspirator against his own countrymen, and in the last decade brought back into power by the very people he conspired against.

-B.M

Everyone around the world is sick and tired of being told what we can and can't do with everything regarding OUR lives.

I don't want to be a slave to a system but I have no choice in the matter. I was born into it and MUST follow the rules, why?

What gives anyone the right to impose there will upon another, because they have power and they are scared they will lose it.
People who seek power and wealth are the problem not the common human being who just wants to be left alone to live his life.

Taxes
Senseless laws that are only used to create revenue
Licenses
Land ownership
Drugging of populations
Excessive consumerism
Mass media manipulation
Corrupt government systems

The list could keep going...

We don’t need this stress in our lives.

ALL WE WANT IS FREEDOM and I hope one day we can truly have it.

Peace

ATS friends. Here is something to ponder. I would love to hear some feedback regarding this. I have not seen this theory anywhere on this board about this. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

As we are bombarded with the News of Wikileaks it seems as though it's all to good to be true and that we may be watching bad actors on a stage. What if this whole Wikileaks is all planned, by our government and or the NWO. Think about it. None of the Wikileaks info that has been posted has been blow your mind crazy. It's been information that has been hidden but nothing really devestating. What if Wikileaks is actually in on all this with the government and this is simply a senario so that the government can take complete control over the Internet.

Think about it. This insurance file could be a pre-planned leak once it comes out. Let's say it's revealed and then a day or two later a huge global or USA disaster takes place, like a 9/11. Then the government can blame Wikileaks for the catastophe and use that as ammunition to take over all Internet functions and take away our Internet rights and furthermore advance a NWO.

This whole Wikileaks thing seems so acted out to me. As if it's planned. I'm not saying this is what is going on or that I even believe this to be true, but I think it merits disscussion from you smart ATS friends! Thoughts?

wiki leaks is a sham

the founder has admitted so by admitting he falsifies evidence to prove an agenda (yes, he admitted it, publicly...and you all still drool over him)

THe government doesn't need to do ANYTHING

because REAL self thinking, intelligent, free willed people see through wikileaks' bull crap.

Obviously those kinds of people are in short supply on this site these days.

You all fall for wikileaks : hook, line & sinker.

Well if this is a plot to have a reason to filter the internet for the reason of terrorism from within the country instead of coming from outside it. Create a problem deliver a solution basic government rule to pass whatever you want spose time will tell wont it. Wonder what the file is? is it Obama's birth certificate lol

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That's pretty much it. To fool each and every other person whom is not in-tuned to what the real agenda is.