1 Million Fish Dead in Bolivian Ecological Disaster

reply to post by the2ofusr1


East coast would definately be affected by the gulf stream, and the weather your describing definately sounds broken.

I find it hard to believe that "warm water" has done this. Seriously, dolphins are mammals and can cope with such changes. Amazon/South American rivers are warm rivers!

I really suspect this as a cover story.

reply to post by Greensage


Its halting the current, halting the warm water. There is evidence that the main engine is stalled, halted, beyond normal for the season, and that has consequences, even if it were to resolve itself quickly, which from that article, they don't know if it will do so.

Originally posted by quest4info
In the John Moore video I linked he talks about scientific evidence that the gulf stream has been slowing and he states that England and Moscow are equal distances from the north pole yet Moscow has harsh winters and England has mild winters which is due to the gulf stream flowing across the atlantic.

That's not really true, Moscow is as northern as Glasgow, not as London.

Moscow has very cold winters and very hot summers because it has what was called "in my time" (they are always changing names) a continental climate, while London (and Lisbon) have a oceanic weather.

The difference will always be there, as long as one is surrounded by a large land mass and the other is just some kilometres from the ocean and as long as water will have a different thermic response to that of the earth.

Originally posted by Unity_99
I imagine this is world wide. The Gulf Stream affects the weather and more permanently, the climate of the planet. The weather disturbances would be world wide. Hot/cold, flooding/droughts, and many other strange variations, happening in different areas all at once, I believe.

That's why I was saying that here we have the normal weather for this time of year, with no changes, and we should be affected more or less at the same time as Canada, if this was only a result of the influence in the Gulf of Mexico.

The Gulf Stream hasn't seemed as it should for a few years now. The past four or five summers here in the UK have been quite, well, short lived really - a few days of sun then followed by days/weeks of cloudy skies and rain. Last October/November was like an Indian Summer, it actually felt hotter than it did in the summer months.

This winter we all know must have been one of the coldest on record, bloody freezing, but it felt like winters used to be 30 years before - piles of snow for weeks on end, drifts, high winds and below average temperatures. And it wasn't just here in the UK, it was all along the worlds Central Belt. It's as if the jet streams moved quite a way off of it's usual course, seems to move a bit more every year. IMO anyway.

I've heard about the Greenland Glacier breaking off, this thing's about 100 miles long

No wonder, the amount of carbons that must be being generated right now, what with the Russian Wildfires, the Cal wildfires, and hell knows how many volcanoes are active at the moment..

Crazy weather for sure..

reply to post by quest4info


I find it very interesting that Bolivia would have such a cold spell in this time of year
And they are not very far from the equator.
However the earth is at a pretty good tilt right about now.
Something is fishy about this

reply to post by quest4info

The gulf stream is not "broken". The separation of eddies from the loop current is a regular and well known occurrence.
ocean.tamu.edu...

reply to post by ArMaP
I can imagine the golf stream might be the results of a larger force put upon the earth that as its adjustments accrue the smaller causes would respond in different ways .In the Moore clip he mentions a book he read , in that book it tells of a time when Jerusalem will be a seaport. And how all the nations of the world would be gathered together to do battle ....Cosmic force change and weather you were in a canoe or in a bunker 1000 feet underground something is going to move .It would seem somewhat ironic if something didn't change .And somewhat terrible if it ended up turning against the so called ones that were misleading the public.Some how our past has left foot prints to deep caverns that tell of a people that were very advanced that seem to have just dissapiered .


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reply to post by quest4info
I am inside the Bay of fundy ..cold northern waters make thier way down the coast and push the gulf stream out across to GB

What does Bolivia have to do with the Gulf Stream??

All do note that Argentina is the main part of the figures:

Argentina Has Colder Winter Than Antartica, Spurring Record Power Imports
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“The situation is getting worse, because the shortage period is growing every year,” Gerardo Rabinovich, a director at the General Mosconi Energy Institute in Buenos Aires and an adviser to the opposition Radical Party, said in a telephone interview. “When this started in 2004, it lasted for about a week, then it was two weeks and now it’s more than a month.”

That almost sounds like each year it's getting colder?

All do note that it's currently winter in the southern hemisphere.

Here in FL we had hundreds of manatees die of around the Tampa Bay regions, and massive fish kill in rivers and in the bay. We had frost thru mid-March....

A month or 2 later climate experts predicted 2010 would be the warmest global climate on record. Is going by local temps accurate way to assess global climate?

Here you can see the record high temp's for Tampa, per month. Only one has even occurred in the last several decades which is remarkable considering the Urban Heat Island Effect).

Someone above said in BC they only had a handful of inches of snow, but does lack of precipitation equate to lack of cold? In other words, did you have rain in your Canadian winter?



[edit on 7-8-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

just look't at the world map.
Bolivia is land lock't?
Chile and other countrys block it from the sea?
or do I have a bad google map??


[edit on 7-8-2010 by buddha]

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The map is right, Bolivia is landlocked.

Why do you ask?

It is indeed interesting, so has the BP incident officially been declared a non-hoax then? I just remeber a thread a little while ago talking about it just being propaganda and that no one is finding oil? I don't know exactly I'm just tryin to get the proper story as I live in LasVegas and can't just go verify an oil spill happening. Suppose what you guys say is true, what's your guys plan b? Obviously, you don't just have all this information and aren't formulating some kind of contigency plan...if you're not you should start. Chance favors the prepared mind...but I'd like to hear really what you guys might do when you get you own for sure it's poppin off anwser?

have a look on google map at the places it says.

dry river beds and very small rivers?
you dont get dolfins that far in land in a small river.
and why has this not been reported in brasil?
most of the rivers come from brisil.

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reply to post by Greensage


Sorry for any confusion, warm water did not do this. COLD water did, those are tropical fish who died from colder conditions. I only used salmon dying in warmer water as an example as to how fragile fish are to temperature, and me being in a climate with cold water fish I used a senario how warm water killed salmon. 5 degrees to us is nothing, but to a fish it's like being on a different planet.

If you read up on Gaia Theory you might understand what is going on.

History

The Gaia hypothesis was first scientifically formulated in the 1960s by the independent research scientist James Lovelock, as a consequence of his work for NASA on methods of detecting life on Mars.[4][5] He initially published the Gaia Hypothesis in journal articles in the early 1970s[6][7] followed by a popularizing 1979 book Gaia: A new look at life on Earth.

The theory was initially, according to Lovelock, a way to explain the fact that combinations of chemicals including oxygen and methane persist in stable concentrations in the atmosphere of the Earth. Lovelock suggested detecting such combinations in other planets' atmospheres as a relatively reliable and cheap way to detect life, which many biologists opposed at the time and since[citation needed]. Later, other relationships such as sea creatures producing sulfur and iodine in approximately the same quantities as required by land creatures emerged and helped bolster the theory. Rather than invent many different theories to describe each such equilibrium, Lovelock dealt with them holistically, naming this self-regulating living system after the Greek goddess Gaia, using a suggestion from the novelist William Golding, who was living in the same village as Lovelock at the time (Bowerchalke, Wiltshire, UK). The Gaia Hypothesis has since been supported by a number of scientific experiments[8] and provided a number of useful predictions,[9] and hence is properly referred to as the Gaia theory.

Since 1971, the noted microbiologist Dr. Lynn Margulis has been Lovelock's most important collaborator in developing Gaian concepts.[10]

Until 1975 the hypothesis was almost totally ignored. An article in the New Scientist of February 15, 1975, and a popular book length version of the theory, published in 1979 as The Quest for Gaia, began to attract scientific and critical attention to the hypothesis. The theory was then attacked by many mainstream biologists. Championed by certain environmentalists and climate scientists, it was vociferously rejected by many others, both within scientific circles and outside them.

reply to post by ArMaP


Sorry if I mislead, this thread was to inform of an unusual climate change and not to debate gulf stream currents and its effects on Europe. I refered to some info I came across and that was my mistake, sorry. When an entire system of rivers and lakes and ponds cool so much that it kills fish, aquatic life...I thought that was worth attention. The cause..well i'm the first to admit i'm no expert.

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy


I'm just posting news that I thought was pertinent. I't does sound wierd but I came across the people dying from the cold long before I came across the aquatic life dying. I would love if someone from Bolivia posted and said this wasnt true, but i'm just posting from a news source. If this is true, then for a weather system to change climate so much as to kill aquatic life in the millions, affecting lakes, rivers and resivoirs, well thats worth the devle dont you think??

reply to post by Phage


Hi Phage, apprectiate your post as usual. Was my error to use "broken", as I am no expert on the gulf stream, nor was the gulf stream part of my original thread posting. I was simply pointing out how the cold affected an area and this thread spidered out a bit. Sorry if we got off topic with misinfo. But you seem very well informed about many subjects and would you not agree for an entire water system to cool so much as to kill aquatic life is strange?? I would like to hear your side on this. Thanks for posting.