U.S. attends Hiroshima bombing ceremony for first time

Originally posted by misuneko
reply to post by Nofoolishness

 

blaming Japan for what they did doesn't justify what America did. its not tit for tat. It is about rising above it all and seeing the wrongs that were done. Not comparing score sheets.

War is wrong no matter what the reason for it.

I never said war was right. But im telling you now its called TOTAL WAR.

reply to post by OldDragger


Think ego is talking. Sometimes the best of a human is to know that both sides were wrong. Not to blame others for the ultimate monstrosity to Mother Earth!

Originally posted by Discotech
Why apologise ?

Has Japan apologised for Pearl Harbour ?

War is hell, people die, the victors never apologise, to expect an apology is absurd as it was Japan who brought the US into the war by bombing Pearl Harbour.

I'm sure the majority of Japanese are not angered as they probably realise it was their own fault by declaring war on the US

I agree wholeheartedly, star for you. There is no reason to apologize because we had the bigger gun(atom bomb) in that battle. I do not condone the use of nuclear weapons. Matter of fact in a thread awhile ago someone blasted me saying I was being naive for wishing nuclear bombs were never invented. The Japanese struck first, they were warned they would face "utter destruction" unless they surrender. We would have lost untold thousands of lives if we had to invade mainland Japan.

reply to post by airspoon


I saw this on the news, and what came to my mind straight away was a question:

"What was that delegate thinking?"

Seriously, what was he thinking when he was there in the ceremony? Was he sad? Or was he angry? Or was he happy? Or was he regretful? Or was apologetic? Or was he filled with different emotions?

I wouldn't be able to go the ceremony of me murdering 1 person, out of shame.

Shameless freaks, heck look at US politics, it is filled with shameless freaks.

Japanese prime minister couldn't follow up on one of his promises and he resigned.

Obama the Shameless freak hasn't even shut down Guantanamo.

After reading through some of this thread.... all I can say is:


I can't wait to see WWIII.

Regardless of anything that had happened, can't we say that this is a step in the right direction? We must crawl before we walk, and walk before we run.

Were probably going to end up using nukes in the very near future because of Iran and NK so pretty hypocritical if you ask me. GO NUKES!

I think it's time we all just admitted something ... every country has a false sense of pride ...

The US have committed war crimes. There were places in France during WWII where they preferred being occupied by the Germans due to the theft, rapes, and wanton disregard the US showed during their occupation.

The Australians have committed war crimes. I have read a book about the events after the Charge of the Light brigade and it was sad.

The British have certainly committed war crimes, and plenty of places in British history do they skip sections.

The victors don't write history; every nation promotes national pride over global responsibility. It's the way it will always be till we all grow up.

Originally posted by Styki
Regardless of anything that had happened, can't we say that this is a step in the right direction? We must crawl before we walk, and walk before we run.

"If you can already run, you shouldn't crawl to save yourself from fire."

Or maybe arrogance is the key word here:

"Maybe America is so arrogant that it thinks fire won't hurt it, therefore it crawls, instead of running."

I don't know

I was not alive then. But I am sorry for every innocent person killed unfairly in the entire history of our species.

It is more reason to fight for truth and justice.

It is why we are alive isn't it?

To achieve justice finally once and for all? To bring peace to our war torn species??

Thats the meaning of my life.

I don't know about yours, I only know about mine.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

Actually Japan was willing to surrender, only wanting to keep their emperor. Japan envoys also approached Russia, trying to make peace. They were beaten and they knew it.

The Japanese army was not willing to surrender and even tried to stage a coup d'état to prevent the emperor from giving his surrender speach.

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Discotech

 

Japan didn't commit an act of terror by deliberately targeting women, children and innocent civilians. Furthermore, being the professional soldier that I am, I can assure you that "war" is not the deliberate targeting of innocent civilians. Rather, such an act is called "terrorism".

--airspoon

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Professional soldier? Difficult to believe considering what you post. Whatever, you surely are no student of history.

Look up "the rape of Nanking". Never mind, I'll do it for you.

rape of nanking

The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking, was a six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanjing (Nanking), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937. During this period, hundreds of thousands of civilians were murdered and 20,000–80,000 women were raped[1] by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.

Now, on your own, research japanese medical experimentation on human subjects during world war II.

reply to post by centurion1211


I can already give you the BS response to that: Two wrongs don't make a right.

People here on ATS have blinders on. Actions like the Rape of Nanking and the wholesale slaughter of Chinese civilians, the treatment of US/Allied POWs, the murder of Filipinos civilians, etc, are always ignored.

Reply to post by jerico65

In total war, there is no wrong.

The only "right" is who wins.


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reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


In total war, no one wins! Just digs humanity further away from peace.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by jerico65

 

In total war, there is no wrong.

The only "right" is who wins.

 

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This is becoming a predominant argument here in ATS, I wonder where you guys got it from?

It would be interesting to know where this argument originated from.

Anyways, some of us who want a brighter future would argue that this argument is backward and stupid really.

This mentality is terroristic, actually worse. If there is no wrong in "total war" then everything goes. Some of us are better than that, you can come to NZ and rape, torture and do what ever your sick mind tells you to, I'll fight like a man, and not kill your 2 year old daughter because you call it total war, I will fight those who agreed to fight, not an innocent bystander who never made the agreement to fight.

Originally posted by misuneko
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

In total war, no one wins! Just digs humanity further away from peace.

So no one won WW2?

I, and most people, would beg to differ.

Originally posted by oozyism

This is becoming a predominant argument here in ATS, I wonder where you guys got it from?

It would be interesting to know where this argument originated from.

Common sense, and a study of history.

Like I said, it is only in modern times that we have tried to fight wars with one hand, and hug the enemy while giving him flowers with the other.

Anyways, some of us who want a brighter future would argue that this argument is backward and stupid really.

Nope, pretty common sense, and it makes sense. Would you not go to any length to protect your family?

This mentality is terroristic, actually worse. If there is no wrong in "total war" then everything goes.

In war, yes. The point is to win. Not to play poker and have a beer at the end.

Some of us are better than that,

Which is the reason why no one in the west can fin a battle worth #, these days.

you can come to NZ and rape, torture and do what ever your sick mind tells you to,

Not everyone rapes and tortures. But it does happen.

I'll fight like a man, and not kill your 2 year old daughter because you call it total war, I will fight those who agreed to fight, not an innocent bystander who never made the agreement to fight.

Heh . . .

So the vets of the past were not men.

Brilliant.

In war, you do what needs to be done. You are a soldier. Anything gets in your path, you destroy it, or it destroys you. Pretty simple concept really.




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reply to post by oozyism


Who knows. This web site is proof that the US is not perfect. America is still a young nation. I will take a step in the right direction over no step at all.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

Nope, pretty common sense, and it makes sense. Would you not go to any length to protect your family?

The only part of your response worth replying to.

No, I won't go to any length to protect my family, which is idiotic the least.

No I won't rape your wife to get information from you. No I won't torture your son to get information from you etc.

You see where I'm going with this right?

If your damn wife hasn't done anything, and it is you, I won't kill her, I won't touch her. Get it?

People who do that, are not men, they are cowards who take the easy way and claim "you do anything in war to win, because somehow winning has more value than everything else".

I stand for justice, mercy, compassion, forgiveness and much, much more. I don't stand with you on this one, and never will.

Bye.