Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

reply to post by LordBucket

Hi LordBucket,

Suppose a cow asks a rancher, "what is my purpose in life" and the rancher replies, "to give me milk until the slaughter, and then to give me meat."

Is the rancher lying?

Depending on what else the rancher is using the cow for.

If the cow believes him, has she been deceived?

If the rancher is telling the truth and the cow understands what the rancher is truly saying about giving milk and giving meat or (Slaughter) then I would have to say (No)

Perspective is everything. If you ask the cow what is her purpose in life, you may receive a very different answer.

For sure

Ok, but you might check to see what Ra had to say on this topic.

Yes I'm aware of what RA had to say about it, those who've followed my other thread already know what I think.

If the majority of the worlds population decides to spend tomorrow running around murdering and raping people, do you think that might affect you, even if you don't personally participate?

Of course and that is why I've stated in the original post that “Consequences to earth's actions from wars, human neglect and greed can manifest from the collective” in other words what the (collective) majority are doing on earth will certainly manifest and affect the rest of the world. The same type of scenario is taking place on Earth today on a certain level/degree. Many murderers and rapists walk the streets freely. The 49% can be affected to a certain level/degree but the actions of those 51% will not touch or affect the 'souls' of the 49%. The 49% will not face consequences for the actions of the 51% in such a case scenario but face consequences for their own actions.

Well, if 51% of human souls decide to becomes demons and spend their afterlife eating and destroying worlds...that might also have some effect on those who don't actively participate in it themselves.

Whatever you want to believe demons to be, whatever you think to be possible for those so called demons is your own personal opinion/belief. From my understanding of such entities and the afterlife, such entities that you call/label to be (demons) have zero power to eat and destroy 'souls' therefore they cannot affect the 49% in the afterlife. They cannot destroy the 51% but they certainly can affect them or have access to some of them in the afterlife depending on the circumstances/situation.

There is no relationship between these things. They might need a negative harvest, but that doesn't mean we do. Kind of like the rancher needs the cow to give him milk and meat.

There is a big difference between humans and cows in comparison to Creators/Designers versus earth occupants/students or (humans). The Creators/Designers of earth 'life' from my perspective do not need a negative harvest but wish/hope/desire for a positive outcome in all things. (always)

But this has nothing to do with what I think he meant, which was: "you are not responsible for those around you." If your neighbor decides to participate in a negative harvest, that doesn't need to be your fault.

I'm glad that you recognize and distinguish that your neighbor or (one individual's choice) is (one individual's choice) and may differ from another. 'They' are not 'you' and 'you' are not 'they.'

You, more than anyone else, will bear the consequences of your actions. Your neighbor, more than anyone else will bear the consequence of his actions,

Nearly the same as what I've written in the original post. You can refer back to the OP.

All is One.

I'm familiar with the Law of One material and agree with many things written in the Law of One but there are some things from my perspective that are deceptions, half-truths and false.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion/belief/perspective and the above one-1 is mine.

Those who believe they are part of a group
soul Lucifer have been deceived from my perspective.
Why?

Because 'they' are not 'Lucifer' and 'Lucifer' is not 'they.'

Does a consequence to one's action that causes sadness/suffering
sound good or bad? Does a consequence to one's action that causes
happiness/enjoyment sound good or bad?
Good or bad to whom?
Maybe you like pain and suffering.

As stated in the original post,

“Whether one chooses to label actions and doing harm unto others as right or wrong (good or bad) or neither is their own personal choice/decision.”

If a person chooses to define pain and suffering as 'good' and happiness/enjoyment as 'bad' that is their own freewill/choice/decision.

Are people who enjoy horror movies evil?

By merely watching a horror movie (No) It's the actions of a person that count, watching a murder in a movie and going out and murdering are two different things.

Are people who enjoy shakespearian tragedy bad?

It's never the movie a person watches but the condition of the 'soul.'

If one is an eternal spirit-being able to incarnate into physical form and experience anything you choose, then experiencing a lifetime of tragedy and horror isn't much different from going to see a zombie movie.

Watching a movie and living out that movie are two different things.
Thinking about murdering a person and actually doing it are two different things.

Thanks for sharing your opinions/beliefs and I hope we can further discuss in a respectful and friendly manner.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

Originally posted by Copernicus

Another observation while reading the HH page. None of his prophecies from September 10, 2008, has become true. Here is what was said:

- The Stock Markets will soon complete their controlled demolition. After an initial 'appearance' that the 'bail outs' and 'rescue packages' have steadied the ship, there will be new record lows by the end of the month.

- Our Financial Institutions will later call in all loans. There will be many bankruptcies and foreclosures.

- The only way John McCain will become the next US President, will be if something "happens" to Barack Obama before the election. If there even is an election. If a certain faction get their way, there will not be. Remember, behind the scenes, there is only One Party. Our Party. 'Democracy' is an illusion which is created to uphold your slavery. Whichever side 'wins'; the Family wins. There are many possibilities and alternative 'scripts'. All of them lead toward the ultimate implementation of the overall blueprint of our Creator.

- Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.

- San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.

- There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches. You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.

Hi Copernicus,

Another observation while reading the HH page. None of his prophecies from September 10, 2008, has become true.

The above is something to look at, thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention.

And yes I will be following up on the 2012 Enigma video, please stay patient with me.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

reply to post by Copernicus

Hi Copernicus,

This is worth posting here as well I think. Its the ultimate question from the HH information for people who believe the information is true and want to affect the direction of their life in order to reach 4th Positive Density.

It's a great question and answer and I'm glad you posted it.

I would like to add that by hidden hand answering this question in the way that he did it goes to show that he does believe in 'good' and 'love' as he demonstrates both words in the answer. Hidden hand also demonstrates from my perspective an example of the right way to live versus the wrong way or perhaps the positive way versus the negative way.

Otherwise, if there was no right or wrong way to so call 'graduate' then it wouldn't matter what a person did and the answer would not have been answered in the way that hidden hand answered it.

I would also like to add that I agree with all the things being said in the below answer as they all fall under the category of 'positive' and 'good' from my perspective based on my definition of the words.

How do you choose a Service to others path?

HH: Be good to yourself. Cultivate a genuine Love for Life, and for Being. Be genuinely thankful to the Infinite Creator every day, for bringing you into Being, and for his bountiful provision. You have "survived" this far, have you not? You may not have everything you want, but you have everything you need, in order to complete that which you incarnated here to do. Give thanks for that. Show acknowledgment and gratitude to the Infinite Creator, for all that It has done, and is doing for you. It has given you the gift of Life Experience, and offered you the Free Will to decide what you will Create with it. Guard your thoughts carefully, as they are more powerful than you may imagine. When you are coming from a place of Love for, and Service to your Creator, a life of Service to others will become a natural out flowing from that. Always look for ways that you can be of assistance to your fellow Beings. Being of encouragement to others. Build people up, and do not put people down. Be a beacon of light, in a dark world.

A 'good' answer by hidden hand that I agree with.

Thanks again for sharing Copernicus.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

reply to post by CosmicEgg

Hi CosmicEgg,

Be patient with yourself. It will come when it's meant to.

I suppose I could say the same for you.

Regardless if it comes or not stay the course on the path of Love.
Do unto others as they would want you to do unto them etc.

I appreciate you sharing your opinions/beliefs in this thread and hope that we can further discuss in a respectful and friendly manner.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

Originally posted by harryhaller
Wow. ET_Man, i actually agree with you on this

Jesus said, "Be careful that you are not deceived.

Deception is the way of it, and i do believe that much evidence that we study is convincing because of the truths, and dangerous because of the deceptions.

In fact, our entire society is based on deception.

We (as Group Soul Lucifer)

They are not deceived, but are deceiving. Portraying themselves (or anything) as "group soul" is a misnomer. The problem is, that the inclusion of the word "lucifer" makes it clear that this is in fact a "demon" which would know very clearly, that he and lucifer have distinct souls. It's a lie, not a mistake.

Goal 1 is to elevate ourselves to be "worthy" of "ascendance". But we can only leave where we are now, by the "grace of God", NOT our own efforts.

All this, LoO and HH etc, is deceptive, it can only take you away from what you really have to focus on.

Hi Harryhaller,

Wow. ET_Man, i actually agree with you on this

Did the moon just turn blue? lol

Thanks for sharing your beliefs/perspectives.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

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reply to post by ET_MAN

Thanks for sharing your opinions/beliefs and I
hope we can further discuss in a respectful and friendly manner.

Friendly and respectful, maybe...but after reading your responses to my post my impression is that our worldviews are sufficiently different that further discussion will be difficult.

If the intent of this thread is simply to assert that you believe certain of Hidden_Hand's statements to be false, then I can't offer you much other than to listen and entertain the idea that those statements may be false. My intent in this thread has been to consider and to share possibilities. I don't need to be christian to speculate on how I might react if I were confronted by St. Peter at the pearly gates upon death. Similarly, I don't need to believe Hidden_Hand to speculate on the implications of his ideas, to speculate what conditions would need to be for his statements to be true from his perspective, or even if his statements are false, to speculate what possible conditions might lead to him having motivation to make them.

All I can suggest is to keep in mind who Hidden_Hand claimed to be. Truth for the rancher might not be the same as truth for the cow.

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Originally posted by ET_MAN
Thanks again for sharing Copernicus.

Thank you. Its an interesting time to be here and I believe you are raising a lot of awareness with your posts on ATS.

What you posted about the possibility that the elites may have been deceived for generations into creating as much evil as possible is a fascinating idea to me (if I understood it correctly). The implications if you are right are breath taking.

People who do evil to others often justify it to themselves so they believe that they are actually doing something good. They are beating someone to make them tougher, or abusing someone to teach them to behave, or ridiculing someone to make them stop having (to them) absurd ideas. If someone wanted to deceive the elites into doing evil, this would be a brilliant way of doing it. Tell them that it needs to be done for the greater good of humanity.

Keep doing what you are doing. You are always fascinating to read since you always give a different perspective than most.



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Nice thread - combines some of my favourite topics.

I do not wish to debate ET Man's perspectives on this, they are his to have, however I would like to add my thoughts on The Law Of One and Hidden Hand's words and see where we go with it


I picked up the Law Of One books after reading the Hidden Hand thread. I had only heard of it prior to this through the work of David Wilcock - but had never looked into it.

I was astounded when I started to read the Law Of One. Why?

Well, over many years I had developed my own belief system through a process of reading, experiencing and analysing - and then taking in that which I felt to be truth. I was of the opinion that it was my belief system and that I would, no, could never find it in any book. That was until the Law Of One.

The words spoken in those books blew my mind! It was as if someone, somehow, took the ideas from my mind and placed them into these very books. The more I read, the sorer my neck got from nodding in agreement so much.

I knew we were somehow here to learn, evolve (spiritually) and progress to a higher 'level', the Law Of One provided me an outline of sorts to help galvanize my beliefs and give me some suggestion on how to implement the 'Service to Others' path I knew (intuitively) I was wanting/trying to live.

Many say that truth will find you when you are most ready for it - I certainly believe this to be the case in this situation.

If anyone read this whole rant, I would love to discuss it

Also I personally think Hidden Hand was genuine and spoke many truths.

Though I must say, my belief system has remained my own and continues to evolve everyday. To not become dogmatic is very important, IMO

Originally posted by srsen
I was astounded when I started to read the Law Of One.

Still waiting for my copy and statements like that doesnt help me with my impatience!

If there is one thing I need to work on, its my impatience. I want things NOW and TIME is standing in my way....



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reply to post by LordBucket

If the intent of this thread is simply to assert that you believe certain of Hidden_Hand's statements to be false, then I can't offer you much other than to listen and entertain the idea that those statements may be false.

Hi LordBucket,

The reason why I started this thread was due to requests and previous questions asked about the hidden hand message in another thread.

I've basically shared my own perspective on the subject and I appreciate you sharing your own belief and perspective as well.

As the saying goes: 'Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs/opinions/perspective' and I look forward to further discussing and hearing more of your own personal views among others. Regardless of what may be 'right' or as you put it 'false' I do hope that people can share their opinions/beliefs/perspectives and we can have a good discussion on it.

After all this thread is about sharing experiences, opinions/beliefs and further discussing.

My intent in this thread has been to consider and to share possibilities.

I do appreciate the information and feedback that you've provided. There is nothing wrong in my opinion with a good discussion on a subject and I do hope that you stick around and continue to further discuss and share your beliefs/opinions/perspective on the subject.

All I can suggest is to keep in mind who Hidden_Hand claimed to be.

It may even be possible that somebody already knows who hidden hand is.

Truth for the rancher might not be the same as truth for the cow.

Truth, consciousness/awareness, intelligence level and perspective are definitely not the same for the rancher and the cow.

Truth, consciousness/awareness, intelligence level and perspective are definitely not the same for the Teachers/Creators/Designers and the students that currently occupy the Designers/Creators technology body suits or the (human) bodies that the majority of 'souls' on earth have been inserted to.

Here's a short video I put together a while back on the 'human body' that you might find interesting.


Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

In the spirit of the positive and respectful discussion show in this thread, I have a question for everyone...

What would you say is the most important message to take away from the Law Of One series/Hidden Hand information?

I have my answer but will wait for a few replies first


reply to post by Copernicus


Hang in there mate! Remember, that was just my experience. Regardless, I'm sure you will find an interesting read out of them at the least.

Hah, threads like this must have you simply busting to get reading. You know the entire series is available online for free. If you feel like getting a head-start

Originally posted by ET_MAN

Am watching this now - you used one of my all-time favourite pieces of music

EDIT: Nice video friend. I agree with the sentiment expressed within it. Though I'm not sure how you did it, but you managed to conjure an uncanny sense of awe, wonder, respect and appreciation for our human form in a context which is most relevant.

Nice work

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reply to post by srsen

Hi Srsen,

I knew we were somehow here to learn, evolve (spiritually) and progress to a higher 'level',

I believe that many in the world can relate with the above statement and feel the same way as you do, I know I do.

the Law Of One provided me an outline of sorts to help galvanize my beliefs and give me some suggestion on how to implement the 'Service to Others' path I knew (intuitively) I was wanting/trying to live.

The Law of One from my perspective has many truths in it that can easily resonate and relate with people. I have nothing against the Law of One in general but there are some parts that I disagree with and that is my own personal belief/perspective.

my belief system has remained my own and continues to evolve everyday.

I believe you are wise in staying true to yourself and keeping your own belief system. As the saying goes: Follow your heart always and go with what you feel using your own discernment/intuition in all things.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs/perspective and I hope that we can further discuss in a respectful and friendly manner.

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!

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ET Man, I just want to say that I for one have always appreciated the way you conduct yourself on ATS. Respect for all opinions/beliefs/perspectives. Not many of us think in these ways

Originally posted by ET_MAN
The Law of One from my perspective has many truths in it that can easily resonate and relate with people. I have nothing against the Law of One in general but there are some parts that I disagree with and that is my own personal belief/perspective.

Agreed. Not everything contained it within feels like truth to me. Though in a general sense, for the message it delivers, as I said in my previous post, it falls very near to my existent belief system.

This fact alone makes me think that there can be no coincidence in regards to it's information. It is as close to truth as I have ever read.

Do I think it has ALL the answers? Of course not - I don't believe Ra even claimed this in the books. Similarly, as much as I feel strongly 'connected' to my own belief system, I KNOW it has flaws also.

But isn't that what makes this experiences so rewarding? The constant learning, relearning, realization and analysis which comes from third density experience.

Originally posted by ET_MAN
I believe you are wise in staying true to yourself and keeping your own belief system. As the saying goes: Follow your heart always and go with what you feel using your own discernment/intuition in all things.

"Follow your heart"
"Live from the heart"

Perspectives such as these, I feel, are so vitally important for the coming times. They may only be words, but the implied meanings and messages contained within are almost all one needs. Almost.



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Hidden Hand's message and the Law of One often get intertwined. I've read HH's, the law of one, I can't. I can sense the distortion immediately, or rather the entity involved, which is Ra I believe, of Egyptian Triniity, fame, and one the Bloodlines venerate. There is certainly an Atlantian feel to the information as well. I don't use my 5 sense, but always much more, the others are finer and more subtle, yet I take information continually from them.

We're all forming ideas here, individuality, outlooks, its true, yet there still is truth, and progression for ever one has certain elements in it. The idea of the rancher and the cow was interesting, but erroneous. Completely. The rancher, is the guy eating the steak that he knows isnt real, but tastes real, after selling out his friends in the movie the matrix. The rancher is not different than anyone else, he is not a demi god, he is not a God soul, he is the Many In One, as we all are, profoundly equal to every conscious being in this universe and he is also my brother, and it breaks my heart to know what they will endure, and their own consciousness is going to deal very harshly with them, for all that they have to face something so large, having directly destroyed so many lives.

We are not ONE. Not like that. We are unique individuals, alike and similar, oneness and unity, yet individual and self at the same time, and quantum phsycis has a lot to do with the way it really works.

For those who are erroneously listening to another misguided one, entities or ET beings that have not gone home yet and have chosen negative orientations, which is what the bloodlines are doing, they are puppets, and being misguided, the information distorted, by pupperteers who are also living distortions. Their clear light and inner knowing is muddied by many layers of ego, greed, violence, anger, hatred, and abuse of self and others, mud is caked on strongly. They don't understand that not only, is the negative realms/channels capped and limited, to what is basically lower end astrals, but in addition, the biggest fish amongst them are not greater than the smallest soul in this universe, for all are profoundly equal, and in addition, every single soul in this universe is but a tiny sliver of self.

So they're winning a prize alright, being a tiny sliver of self in a digital virtual reality game school. Its like watching a DVD and using your imagination to join the movie, with a fraction of self.

Only this is a test and everyone in the movie is equal, though some have progressed further than others, in No Time, behind the veil, outside the universe, thereotically each is their entire global infinite self at once, and equal, though in a practical way, you could sit with all the infinite selfs in each clip of the infinite roll of film of your life at once, if you had an infinitely big table that is.

I know who I am, a very strong knowing, and am connected to HS, more of me wells up within me, and have been an experiencer all my life.

Time, No Time, Space-Time, the Sun, are all good things to take into meditation.

We don't go back home until we're light as a feather, clear conscious, loving, warm, desiring and yearning and envisioning complete equality and eutopia, peace.

Every day here is a test, for every single group in the cosmos. Here on earth the test is for the ones incarnate, in bodies. That includes HH's group.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
To All TPTB/Black Ops, Time To Wake Up To Equality and Love

With the many downloads my HS and Family of Light gave me, I wrote several threads, the one on the Holographic Universe is in my signature. This one is my message to the Bloodlines and the Black OPs doing their bidding. They are my family, I recognize the energy in some of them, and wish them only the best, awareness and awakening, and know that if in "time", they chose to face what they've done to others, also their family, truly their beloved, in a distorted sense of who they are, and what their roles are, they could step forth and help humanity, redistritbute everything and live like monks, humbly and volunteer to help, release their hidden technologies and help.

Because taking efforts to see what pain you've caused now, will change the amount of pain they will go through upon leaving their vessels.

Much love & light to them, I wish them only the best from a personal soul development level.

As for the Egyptian entities confusing people, these so called higher density beings, also need to work through their distortions as well. I cannot read their works or allow a channel to open to them. I renounce what they are standing for, send love & light always and ask them to go within to their Higher Selves and ask the Family of Light to assist their return back home, but they must leave.

Everyone in the cosmos is the Family of Light and profoundly equal, though in different grades in their perceptions. Negative choices lead to consequences, such as being under the influence of very negative entities who physically harm, but cannot kill their victims, and in a hellzone, if people, including the bloodlines who are simply people like we are, have done things that have harmed others significantly. Some simply redo lesson like Groundhog Day until a breakthrough is made and they get it right, others are in much more negative places to do this. What doesnt happen is they do not move ahead into cushy advanced negative roles. Progression only occurs when we learn the lessons we came to and we learn love.

While we must not judge and there can be many mitigating circumstances and childhood rituals and abuse that may be responsible for some of their behavior and in effect may lesson their free will, it still breaks my heart, I sense so much sorrow in my soul knowing something about this and keep envisioning unity, a coming together.

The greatest thing we can do here is stand still and not react to anything that comes up, not get angry when the news is such that it would make us react quickly. Not judge or draw conclusions in our guts like that. They bank on that.

We need to be thoughtful, take things into inner debate, and really examine issues from everyones perspective.

We need to offer hands of friendship and love and invite as many who we can from their folds, to join us. Not as a cattle, for we are not cattle, we are The Many In One as they are in lessons like they are. And the biggest thing I have problems with is, how to help the world. Do we just allow them to harm earth, nature and ourselves? Don't we shout no in bullhorns? Would we defend ourselves should it get worse? What happened on Mars, and Star Wars, in the past, many were just defending themselves yet induced karma???? Do we meditate, pray and envision eden and positivity and invite them to wake up and remember we're all family, and truly love each other?

I've spent days on this as the BP disaster affected the precipitation cycle and the province has over 400 forest fires burning and I can smell the smoke and feel the pain of nature, like I'm on guard duty, like I'm stuck in a human body but supposed to be a protector. And I kept asking, what do we do? How to respond to this group?

The answer that keeps coming is to reach within ourselves, into our light, into the wellspring of the sunbeam or ray or light that is connected to Higher Self, and allow the quality of love, excellence, perfecting words and moods and relationships, of the light within to come forth and to be love for those who have set themselves up as elites but are only our brothers an sisters after all. To invite them to come into our world. To not react, to not grow angry, but always think things through and reach within to find the other way, to hold out our hands to each other and them in friendship.

For life is short, and all is temporal, but they are not who they beleive they are and there are consequences to actions that are unbearable to imagine, except what others have gone through at their hands is also unbearable. It will be their own consciousness that they'll be facing.



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ET_MAN, Who are the harvesters? Is it in one's best interests to be harvested? Are there negative and positive harvests? Thanks...

ET_MAN,
1. Overall, do you think Hidden-Hand is dis-info?

2. Is this person any different than Hidden-Hand?:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks.

This is a fascinating subject. I am a very complex person who, after 40 years of reading and studying this kind of material has concluded that, for me, I need to break things down and rely on simple basics. I've asked myself many times "what can we do, what can we do", and conclude that, as individuals, our best work is to refine ourselves and be very positive in our attitudes and our relationships. If I were to assign myself a personal motto, it might well be the Biblical injunction that, "of Faith, Hope, and Love, Love is the greatest". I am a critical thinker, and a questioner, and during my time in Church during my early years, this put me in a lot of hot water with those who thought I shouldn't be asking the kinds of questions I asked. They automatically assumed that I couldn't be saved or of the Faith, or else I wouldn't ask such questions.

It takes much effort and patience to discover what Personal Growth really is, and what's it isn't. I test the Spirits and keep my mind open. The lure of deception is all over the place, and many are deceived. The most important thing to me is having a pure heart, or at least working toward that goal. It seems to me that if you take everything else away, a pure heart will lead you toward the Light and God when everything else can degrade into pure confusion and lead you away from the path of Enlightenment.

reply to post by Copernicus

Hi Copernicus,

I sent you an email on the 2012 Enigma video.

David Wilcock shares his opinion and some information on the world elite/bloodlines in the following video.

Here's a quick quote from the video in regards to the world elite/bloodlines or so called 'Illuminati' made by David Wilcock.

"They are a fundamentalist religion just like any of the others, they still believe this weird stuff, they follow these teachings, they actually buy into this."

I recommend watching 3:58 - 8:58 of this video.



You can also find video's of David Icke addressing the world elite/bloodlines-'Luciferian Beliefs/Philosophy.'

Love & Peace
Best Wishes!


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