Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

Originally posted by 547000
I don't know what his intentions were, just what people think his intentions were. I probably think they're right because I was raised in a culture where people think it's a good thing.

I pose this question to you: many people talk about all the nice fuzzy things like equality and peace when talking about world government. Yet it's many of these same people who profiteer off war. Just because what they say makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, does it means they're teaching things of spirit?

I would seek if they seem to have understanding. What is their reason for unity? Is it to have power, over the seemingly unity? Do they realize that unity....must occur out of everyone's own will? If its not out of everyone's own will...then is it through force? If its through force....was the intent of bringing unity really true?

I think unity can evolve through the way humans think...their perspective of what we all are. I think its things like pride and greed that keep us from making the next steps...and we cant force such things to change.

I do believe in nations uniting....and a world that stands united and not divided. But through the will of the people...and not through the force of the governments. The voice of the people is much stronger then the voice of the governments. There will come a day where a nation will lay down its guns...and call another nation brother. I believe this. But I think many paths that are not...will be tried, with failure...before that moment comes.

We as people, have pride of being a 'self'. We as nations, have pride of being a 'self'. When the world can be proud of being a whole, shedding the pride of being seperate....then we have moved a mountain.

Edit to add in short....

Force is not the nature of ways....of Spirit.

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ET_MAN said infinity was a hard subject for most to understand. Its the very thing that made my soul light up.
I'm only going to answer this one question. ET_MAN could probably do a better job, however, but to me its very obvious.

We are in eternal progression, infinitely. We are in each moment of the clip, in the now. There are many things to learn, past the stage Higher Self is at. The Parents guide the children as well. And their guidance is a part of the events that have already occurred from a Higher Level.

We are our global selves in theory, but our self at each time clip.

If you did not walk the path you are walking, you would never become the person you become, when you pass the tests.

Though big and small don't exist in infinity, grades do, and our lights are smaller grades, while those Beyond are ever larger grades, our lights appear smaller and theirs larger. We are ourselves now, can only understand how to become bigger more adult like and loving lights, by learning and putting the lessons into actions, behaviors. This you, is a you conscious soul, at this stage of the journey.

The journey already exists, from a Future perspective, but we're on it, currently, from our perspective, therefore to us, it appears changeable.

Much of what we learn, if not all, is first hand, we transform ourselves with actions. Actions speak louder than words, and even beliefs. We put it into practice, to grow.

Again, imagine an infinite roll of film, stretching endlessly for your life. You have to walk through each step. We have to become our Future Selves, through putting the tests into behaviors and actions.

This is a School.

Same thing back, why would One send out seeds to learn everything before rejoining back into One? Would not One already know so no need for this entire excercise or universe to begin with. And is One in Infinity. Is there another One beyond that One? And another?

You're applying as a question about our lives, the same why, when we would just know, that One would have.

In fact, we live each step, in the now. We don't become the next step, until we've mastered the skills needed at this step.

An infinite journey is just that, a journey that takes an infinity to travel, one step at a time.

LV, what if the people professing spiritual knowledge have charisma? Thinking of those fraudulent gurus that India is famous for.

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Professing is a strange word, we all have spiritual knowledge, within us, our souls, and we know whats right and wrong. When we enter this world, its in all of us. This world changes us in many ways. For some, along the way, our inner voices become sullied, for we begin to compromise our goodness and what we know is right along the way, making choices that tug at our conscience. For those who are committing crimes for their own sense of "entitlement and greed" they have slowly closed off their inner voice and corrupted it, and their feelings. Some no longer feel love or understand what it is even.

Others, respond to the world by feeling compassion for those around them, and though they may make mistakes or be lost momentarily, they feel such shame for these mistakes and realize their lives have been going in the wrong direction, that they turn it around. That is often talked about as the dark moment of the soul, or when you hit bottom, which sometimes can be at work, at home, not in the traditional life and death moments.

Its inside us where these answers are.

We're discussing our spiritual beliefs and what we see. We all write in our own way. These are all what motivates each of us the most, the diamonds to us, that all of us are sharing, or at least I hope.

But ET_MAN wrote to me that nothing speaks as loudly as actions in passing the tests. Beliefs are just beliefs.

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

leo if you truely seek to know god the new website ive linked will help you greatly, our advice is to stop listening to those lost and begin to find those found. Always discern but do so without fear, truth comes to those with pure faith many in this thread have none they seek to own truth they seek to control others and they are far from spiritual mostly they speak of things of a universe in which is controled by evil even when I speak of physics I know myself it is irelevant in the Eye of God.

The Idea of many Ones is in itself seperation as it been presented here, in context of Truth their is only One.

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Thank you. I know this is not addressed to me.

But you seem to be using a gentler - more positive approach in this discussion. If one disagrees with what 'appears' to be negative - - - one must also recognize/agree with what 'appears' to be positive.

thanks for your reply,
for me, I guess would feel as though partly to blame, it wasn't really about how the example played out, but how someone might have that deep or selfless intent in helping those around but somewhere down the line what may have started as positive, can easily turn itself around and become more as a negative through what anothers freewill or self thoughts may dictate to apply those things necessary to achieve that help given by that sto intent.

even though not much of a churchgoer myself, the reason I presume everyone dresses up for chuch is out of respect to god, cleanliness as faith, clean in body as in spirit, where body is temple and spirit is god.

the answer maybe does lie there, as something we need not judge or reflect on as worldly value connected by spirit as in charge. but it might in some ways still be put forth as an eye for an eye circumstance as well.

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Same thing back, why would One send out seeds to learn everything before rejoining back into One? Would not One already know so no need for this entire excercise or universe to begin with. And is One in Infinity. Is there another One beyond that One? And another?

What is a thought, to you, from your mind? Is it but an expression of you...is it but a seed of you, and can you express that thought and even create from it>

We are but expressions of the one conscious mind...expressing its (the IAM, our true self) attributes, through what we call nature.

Just as we, are constantly expressing ourselves through our thoughts....so does the IAM of life...and we, are truly, of this image.

Being...is expressing. The IAM that is infinite...is continuously, expressing itself...and right now, we see this through nature...and we are but a 'phase' of the IAM>

As we see in nature, everything of life sifts and recycles...so to in the 'spirit' is a constant cycling, sifting....not out of desire...but out of 'being'.

Originally posted by 547000
LV, what if the people professing spiritual knowledge have charisma? Thinking of those fraudulent gurus that India is famous for.

Again...you should be able to go to the Holy Spirit, and discern any message.

Originally posted by redgy
thanks for your reply,
for me, I guess would feel as though partly to blame, it wasn't really about how the example played out, but how someone might have that deep or selfless intent in helping those around but somewhere down the line what may have started as positive, can easily turn itself around and become more as a negative through what anothers freewill or self thoughts may dictate to apply those things necessary to achieve that help given by that sto intent.

even though not much of a churchgoer myself, the reason I presume everyone dresses up for chuch is out of respect to god, cleanliness as faith, clean in body as in spirit, where body is temple and spirit is god.

the answer maybe does lie there, as something we need not judge or reflect on as worldly value connected by spirit as in charge. but it might in some ways still be put forth as an eye for an eye circumstance as well.

I have faith...that if a intent of one starts out positive...but over time or experience of another...the intent becomes a negative...then all this shows to the Spirit is what this soul is ready for and what it is not.

I have faith, that the Spirit, understands why a soul is still living for 'self' or cant seek beyond self intent. I have faith that there is forgiveness, through understanding.

But that is my limited pathway.


Lets think again about the reason one dresses up for church. You said you would assume that most would do this for God.

Imagine...you alone, are taking time for a 'alone time' with you and God...you are making a certain time of your day to dwell on Thee, clear your mind and heart for Thee to work through you and guide you. No one is around but you...you are alone. Are you going to dress up for Thee? If you did feel the need to dress up for Thee...what are your reasons? Do you find that the Spirit is going to be concerned with your desire to 'look good' for Thee....OR....would it be more humble of you, to know, even to come before thee as naked as a jbird....you are loved just the same. Would you gain any more glorification from Thee.....for the way you dress? Or...could there be something gained, for understanding....it matters not what you wear, come in your rags or your riches...it matters not.

Just things to think on...not trying to present a 'right or wrong'.

reply to post by LeoVirgo


The differences we have are in One or Infinite Ones/One-1s, which Infinity itself is the framework for what is.
We are all free to see and be guided by what we understand, and our understandings are different both in One and Infinity.

The questions you asked though, applied just as much to One as to all of us at each step.

I will ask you this:

What value does the One consciousness/life have, to live?

Why would the One not already know everything there is to know in Infinity, and need thought expressions that would fulfill a purpose to the One, or a created universe to fulfill a purpose in, when those expressions would lose themselves in the end? Would the One already not know in infinity?

now your talking, freedom as nudist, freedom of life.

yeah, it's not all to do with what one looks like, but what's within that counts.

probably why I don't go much to church for that reason of need.

I have faith, that the Spirit, understands why a soul is still living for 'self' or cant seek beyond self intent. I have faith that there is forgiveness, through understanding.

what if soul is living for others, not as oneness as conciousness through some otherworldly relm, or as spirit within but through worldly and physical earthly body, a oneness to others that comes forth through body, mind and soul. would this be of god or higher spirit, devil or negative entity, a purpose or test, or just something to do with programs and illusions of matrix dvd infinity being.

Originally posted by Unity_99
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The differences we have are in One or Infinite Ones/One-1s, which Infinity itself is the framework for what is.
We are all free to see and be guided by what we understand, and our understandings are different both in One and Infinity.

The questions you asked though, applied just as much to One as to all of us at each step.

I will ask you this:

What value does the One consciousness/life have, to live?

Why would the One not already know everything there is to know in Infinity, and need thought expressions that would fulfill a purpose to the One, or a created universe to fulfill a purpose in, when those expressions would lose themselves in the end? Would the One already not know in infinity?

It may be...that it just IS.

That to be...is then to...to express one self.

You have many thoughts...but they are all an expressing of just 'one'...which is 'you'.

I wouldnt see it as much as the IAM does not KNOW in infinity...but just IS, constantly in expression through infinity. Just as though, while you are in a body/mind complex...you are constantly in expression through out this life. But...the difference...is you are but a phase of Thee, one attribute of a many of Thee. You, are a unique phase of Thee...a unique expression of Thee...and in that, you can find value of what you are...a unique expression.

The IAM of LIFE.....just is. We may not see a purpose in constantly emanating and filling 'thoughts and phases' of self...and it may be beyond our understanding of why Thee does this. It may be very natural...something needed. A constant sifting and measuring of oneself. Just as though....our thoughts and phases of our being are constant ways we sift and measure our own self.

What value does a breath have...in that it inhales and exhales? It just is...for life...to be. Its a part of the cycle and order....of the expressions to exists. We are but cells, to a larger body/mind. Just as though your cells, are all a part of a larger body...of you. We see the need for cycles and orders everywhere. So I assume the process and 'being' of the IAM is similar....in that it cycles and works through orders...and just 'Is'.

Getting way out of my range as a human mind...of understanding what is grander then I.



To express...is to be. To be...must express.

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It just is alright, in Infinity. And there is absolutely no more value in One existing than an Infinite One-1's existing.
Except we are, and we are eternal. But the questions you asked apply just as much to your beleifs as to mine, it is certainly not more loving and humble to think you are only a function, but not an eternal soul, which I felt you were continually implying. That the believing we are, which we certainly ARE, was selfish. You only have to look at children to understand how Life is a blessing.

My soul already knew about Infninty and the Family and the Quantum because, I was always inspired by loving posts, and interested in other viewpoints in the years since I left the Church, and felt the light in some of them. But was stirred and excited and knew I had found the missing puzzle pieces, for consciously understanding the moment I read ET_MAN's other thread.

To say it simply is, that One, is Infinite, and all there is, and yet, knowing everything, would create a universe and send out thoughts to act out every scenario, which was already known to the One, in Infinity, only to ask for humble ending of self and existence. It makes no sense at all, and to claim it simply is, is an avoidance of the question.

Infinity is a Quantum Platform or Foundation, that everything is in. We are all infinite, and Consciousness, is the Creator of Everything that is inanimate, we are all in Oneness/Unity, but each ray of consciousness, is an Infinite Ray, and our lives, stretch out endlessly. We have to walk the journey, learn the lessons, to grow to the next level, to grow our heart and consciousness to the next grade or level. The ones ahead, the Parents, help the children out, because, due to people's behavior, alot are getting really hurt, but also trapped in karma. We are literally creating our next step by our thoughts, words and actions. And interventions occur, the helping hand is there, when we're ready to see it.

In everything, our different view points don't actually matter. It is not about what we believe, but how we treat each other. There is no expectation for all of us to become one color, one size fits all, or adopt one belief, in fact much of the tests involve loving, and treating others with respect, sharing viewpoints but not claiming truth as our own, and putting down others who are seeking, and learning how to both get along, respect differences, and at the same time, speak our own truths up so we don't lose faith in ourselves either, and become a substandard person, shrink and lose confidence. We're all equal and all our voices count.

I'm not trying to make you agree with me in the least. We're all on our journey.

In the end, we'll know the answers, once we reach the understanding we need to progress beyond. In the meantime, many of us fall into our dreams, and our actions, words, intents are forming the next world of our existence.

Our actions and what we do is more important than what we belief or philosophy. Actions speak loudest, or even inactions.

Warm wishes and much love!

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QUESTION: are you speaking from the Christian religion and the Christian bible.

It may seem like an insignificant question - - - but there are many interpretations of Jesus the Christ.

Some believe in a 'soul consciousness' - - some believe he truly 'walked in the flesh' amongst us - - some believe he is an 'Energy Being' of an evolved off planet group.

I know you speak of - - 'to understand the code' - - - but even a code breaker requires a base to draw from. It would greatly help in understanding your message.

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Mush love to you too Unity, always. Im thankful we have the discourse we do. I find it...a blessing

Except we are, and we are eternal. But the questions you asked apply just as much to your beleifs as to mine, it is certainly not more loving and humble to think you are only a function, but not an eternal soul, which I felt you were continually implying. That the believing we are, which we certainly ARE, was selfish. You only have to look at children to understand how Life is a blessing.

Yes, my questions can and should be implied, to both sides of the same coin. The humbleness is a part of the path of discovering that the deepest self of you....is not special to only you...for it is the same in every person and being and something we are all of and share. Im continually implying that only the IAM within me is eternal...is infinite...this 'self' I think I am...is not. When I let go of things like pride, I can see this for what it is. If I am not ready to let go of pride...I wont see it. Though I am a phase of Thee...to tap into what my true self is...is like tapping into the Universe and going where ever I wish to go. I can see through the eyes of the bird...or I can sleep under a tree like a dog loves to do. I can burst forth from the giving Sun and shine life to many life forms...I can be the quite moon that reflects the great light of the Sun. Allowing this IAM to manifest through, allows Thee for a moment, to truly 'be'. One's nature then starts to see...its own self...in all others. The glory in this....is beyond measure. The feelings of the recognition of 'self' in another 'self'....is harmony.

Children...remind me...of the perfection of life...before things like the environment, personality, and intellect...grab hold of the body complex. Before all the outside influences start to cause desires that will mold them to chase 'contentment and happiness' filled by desires of materials. I see purity.

And in the end....the value I see of it all...Life...being...is purification, constant purification.

Thanks for sharing And forgive for ever coming off the wrong way with ill intent.

LV

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Im continually implying that only the IAM within me is eternal...is infinite...this 'self' I think I am...is not. When I let go of things like pride, I can see this for what it is. If I am not ready to let go of pride...I wont see it. Though I am a phase of Thee...to tap into what my true self is...is like tapping into the Universe and going where ever I wish to go. I can see through the eyes of the bird...or I can sleep under a tree like a dog loves to do. I can burst forth from the giving Sun and shine life to many life forms...I can be the quite moon that reflects the great light of the Sun. Allowing this IAM to manifest through, allows Thee for a moment, to truly 'be'. One's nature then starts to see...its own self...in all others. The glory in this....is beyond measure. The feelings of the recognition of 'self' in another 'self'....is harmony.

Of course to me, what you are describing is really being in tune with your Infinite Self, Future/Higher Self and more of ourself, Higher Self, shines through us each day, as we travel on the road towards growth and progression, putting Love into action. Are we merging with our Future Self, or is the roll of film simply nudging ahead, and we have grown? For there are some here that are projections of thought of Higher Self, and when the thought aligns finally with Themselves again, they will go back home to Self. I use the capitals in a different way than the bible, more to differentiate. Also, self is self beyond identity, as in this identity, for who we are now, is one of many avatars we have been along the way, and we all change/transform/progress, in my own beliefs.

Either way, as a reflection of my belief to me when I read this, or your belief as you wrote it, this is a beautiful passage and can mean different things to different people.

One of the things that has been happening, over the past 2 1/2 years for me, is not just a growth, or an understanding of the next step, or more insight into solving the difficult areas in my life, but Grace, that has assisted and covered me. As I've shared many time, experiences, contact and encouragement both within and without. One issue fell away and subsided after a test, and I've had the issue lifted off my hands, and now family interplays is being lifted off. I spent a lifetime nearly praying over all these things, asking for help, yearning for a way to open, and trying to remain conscious in each moment, and learn from each mistake.

These exact words keep coming within me, as I was so grateful and surprised at myself feeling as if another me, a clearer and more aware person who no longer experienced difficulties in the same way: that this is what it means to be born again, its like being given a second chance, while in time, or another level within this journey in 'time" reached.

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Always a joy Unity

I guess what I am contemplating here lately...is 'if ' there is really growth or is it always a path of just awakening.

If we sleep, through life, we dont become as aware...but still, no harm done.

But didnt I always have within me the 'right and wrongs'...was it more I just chose to adhere to one over the other to suit 'me'.

This IAM with me...or the 'higher self' as you walk with....Thee/they/it dont need growth, for are the 'prime being ' of us...the true self.

So maybe this is more of just a processing here...a slow awakening from slumber...instead of like the brutal experience of feeling like one is 'falling' while they sleep (have you had this happen to you?)

My best to yas
LV

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That is a great way of putting it too, relating more to our global self, or Essence, than merely the journey. But Higher Self or I Am's/Thee's way of assisting is to give us more awareness of our true Self. This is akin to what I mean when I say, bubbling up within me, its more of the essence of who I am within, and also, contacted as a person would as well, the same source, I've had. The gifts they bring us when they arrange however they arrange how we perceive is something our souls don't miss, tears of joy and gratitude pour out.

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According to the Gospel of John, the Pharisees, in an attempt to discredit Jesus, brought a woman charged with adultery before him. Then they reminded Jesus that adultery was punishable by stoning under Mosaic law and challenged him to judge the woman so that they might then accuse him of disobeying the law. Jesus thought for a moment and then replied, “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” The people crowded around him were so touched by their own consciences that they departed. When Jesus found himself alone with the woman, he asked her who were her accusers. She replied, “No man, lord.” Jesus then said, “Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more.”

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

There is a book 'Amenti files' that says what their outcome is and what their seeds grew into.

Is this an actual book your refering to, like with physical pages? I think i've heard the term 'amenti files' used before but thought it refered to something like the akashic records.

That is what we speak off.

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