Hidden Hand Message - Law Of One - Discussion!

reply to post by IAMIAM


Sorry brother I was working all night.

reply to post by Annee


The difference is I never said what you have to believe, that is your inference.

I stated the facts. What you do with it is entirely up to you. I get how people don't like hearing things in absolute terms being how this planet actually operates but outside of the physical universe, this is plain as day for all to see. I have access to out there, I guess that's how you could say I remember all of this.

reply to post by Universal Light


I'm not closed off, but I'm protected or avoid those things that seem to have traps in them, or distortions. And also, I like it simple like Annee says though I don't post as simply as she does.

Originally posted by Universal Light
reply to post by Annee

 

The difference is I never said what you have to believe, that is your inference.

I stated the facts. What you do with it is entirely up to you. I get how people don't like hearing things in absolute terms being how this planet actually operates but outside of the physical universe, this is plain as day for all to see. I have access to out there, I guess that's how you could say I remember all of this.

What facts? You stated your 'truth' - - as if a fact. I don't doubt it is YOUR Truth that YOU believe is fact.

However - - you are hardly the fist person to claim "access to out there". Not all agree with you.

Putting down others who do not agree with you is unrealistic. Not to mention rude and condescending.

Originally posted by Universal Light
reply to post by Annee

 

That comment was not directed at you so thank you for not taking it personally.

The horse comment was obviously analogous, I wouldn't flat out and call people horses.

I know - - a little 'dark' humor. Getting tired of some moronically putting people in 'darkness' because they don't kowtow to a certain belief.

We can all do the mystery "guess what I really mean" codex

reply to post by Annee


You can believe whatever you like. This sums up how it is.

thenewcall.org...

Originally posted by Universal Light
reply to post by Annee

 

You can believe whatever you like. This sums up how it is.

thenewcall.org...

Thanks - I'll check it out.

I like knowledge and information. No matter what it is.

reply to post by Annee


isn't it also moronically obvious and condescending that those who by there own truth of light,channels, dreams, higher self are also quick in denial of any other form of religious teachings or wordings as such, maybe what is obviously correct or as a positive for you is just the opposite and as negative for those others. there is no universal truth to any of any sides and hence for discussion, all sides have just as much right in self thoughts or to show themselves as they are for denial or belief, wether of negativity or simply as ones own truth of a positive.

Originally posted by Universal Light
reply to post by Annee

 

That comment was not directed at you so thank you for not taking it personally.

The horse comment was obviously analogous, I wouldn't flat out and call people horses.

Why not they are in 2nd density and they are amazing animals without them mankind would not got to where they are today, begrateful to your horse brothers they had alot of things to carry .

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Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by Annee

 

isn't it also moronically obvious and condescending that those who by there own truth of light,channels, dreams, higher self are also quick in denial of any other form of religious teachings or wordings as such, maybe what is obviously correct or as a positive for you is just the opposite and as negative for those others. there is no universal truth to any of any sides and hence for discussion, all sides have just as much right in self thoughts or to show themselves as they are for denial or belief, wether of negativity or simply as ones own truth of a positive.

Truth itself is One, the only difference between each other is awareness, some are more aware hold more holyspirit than others, this gets difficult because ego is the enermy of spirit so will attack truth hence the conflicting of this thread is on astral a battle.

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Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by Annee

 

isn't it also moronically obvious and condescending that those who by there own truth of light,channels, dreams, higher self are also quick in denial of any other form of religious teachings or wordings as such, maybe what is obviously correct or as a positive for you is just the opposite and as negative for those others. there is no universal truth to any of any sides and hence for discussion, all sides have just as much right in self thoughts or to show themselves as they are for denial or belief, wether of negativity or simply as ones own truth of a positive.

I post what I think and what I believe. I ask no one to agree with me.

I don't really debate. Is 'not debating' denial?

I have had posters get upset - because they want to convince me they are right - and I am not interested because I know very strongly what I believe.

Having an agenda to convince others to believe a certain way - - - is not the same as sharing/presenting an idea or different viewpoint.

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by Annee

 

isn't it also moronically obvious and condescending that those who by there own truth of light,channels, dreams, higher self are also quick in denial of any other form of religious teachings or wordings as such, maybe what is obviously correct or as a positive for you is just the opposite and as negative for those others. there is no universal truth to any of any sides and hence for discussion, all sides have just as much right in self thoughts or to show themselves as they are for denial or belief, wether of negativity or simply as ones own truth of a positive.

Truth itself is One, the only difference between each other is awareness, some are more aware hold more holyspirit than others, this gets difficult because ego is the enemy of spirit so will attack truth hence the conflicting of this thread is on astral a battle.

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Adonai Christ bless

Ego has multiple meanings.

Please define your meaning of ego - in the above paragraph.

Thank you.

reply to post by ET_MAN


This thread is intriguing, to say the least, but suffice it to say, that if we are all "One" as you imply, the task of "awakening" to this fact is the most important task any of us can undertake.

Creating a polar opposite allows for a "matrix" to form in between, which creates "Two." This "Two" in number divisible by itself always equals "One." So the division is the "means," to the "end" or beginning, which is eternity.

All things on this third-plane of existence is bound by an underlying "foam" which everything "floats." I for one, will not play "the game" or be divided by polarized ends. I know the truth, which is everything more than the sum of the parts, which have been cleverly placed through the ages as breadcrumbs for the masses to assimilate and use to pass their time evaluating.

This knowledge is ALWAYS available to anyone who hears the voice which no one has ever heard. Free-will to believe in nothing which is incomplete does not constitute faith. but only confirms the fact that reprovement is necessary, and the cycles begin, again, until it is stopped.

Nothing in the universe is "hidden" but only invisible temporarily until light is shone unto it. In reality, there is no negative polarization, but only a positive-flow of energy that cycles around in circular fashion. The misconception of negativity exists at the point of the event horizon and only appears to be a negative pole. But it is not.

It may appear the cycle is finished, except for one last endeavor. When the mass-ego is aware and singular exposition is removed, the manifest destiny of creation will be complete. God created mankind in his own image, right? Take this a step further in the inference and all is very clear and apparent.

reply to post by ET_MAN


Love is the force that pulls us together. It is also the force that tears us apart. The only reason that good & evil are talked about so much in this thread is because we stand at a point in this duality where we must make a choice between them. This choice is something we must choose in this density, for in the higher realms we will expand on concepts. Freewill is the main focus of this lesson to choose between one and the other.

Light is mereley the design/blueprint of which our universe is composed of. It serves as the foundation that was created by the most infinite of intelligence and is what we can return to if we so choose. Words only mean so much and can be interpreted differently according to perspective and programming. Love can mean many things depending on the one that defines it. One can say that they may love to be greedy, for that is what they crave. One could be able to love themselves but not feel unconditional love towards another brother(This is what seperates us from the elitists). Love is feeling, but what does this feeling have in common? What makes malevolent forces do what they do? Most of the time they are ignorant, and have already decided what their own version of the truth is. You can travel all the way around the world and still not realise what the meaning of life is. Evolution is a common goal, we got here, but where are we headed/where are we going next? As we move through to the end of this cycle we are at a time which makes us question everything. Times have changed and for the most part we are given the freedom of what we want to believe in.

The full activation of your seven chakras is the only thing that stands in your way of the christ consiousness which links us together in this false reality. It's a tough concept for me to explain although I have experienced it physically during my childhood. I would fall into a glimpse of this internal happiness only for a moment and then be brought back to this physical matrix in what seemed a matter of seconds. The feeling of which is undescribible among words, visualise yourself being as the innocence of a child and it will bring you back to this state you have always known. Constantly learning to question existance is what leads us to the truth. All of the seven chakras can be linked to endocrine organs in our body. Light energy drawn into these chakras will manifest and alter your consiousness openening up your true being to what you were always meant to be.

Let me ask you this ET_MAN, according to your perspective you see STS forces in this duality acting through greed/hate. You speak of them as supposedly seen from an STO perspective but how do you think these manevolent entities visualise themselves according to their own beliefs? Do you think that these individuals think of themselves as being greedy and deep down hate themselves? If they realised the concepts to the greater meanings of their actions they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now and would have chosen the positive path. The programs of which have been implemented into them leads them believe that the idea of which nice guys finish last and that it's a test to be the baddest of the bad. Why do these negative forces agree to be in existance? If they hated themselves so much because of greed why would they accept to be in existance?

These entities love their own ideology and it will take harsh words to deconfigure their perspective which keeps them bound. They love their own ideology because they consider it to be the truth, they think it is the right way to go about life and ignore all alternatives because this is what they've been told. If we do not give them a clear reflection of their own actions who will be the ones to assist them to change their ways? Some will not want to change, it is up to to them, but we should all learn to properly judge one another so we can give constructive critisism to help one another grow.

This is why I believe that Adonai is correct in saying that the negative path reflects ignorance because STS forces lack the understanding of their true meaning to exist as one. They are of the darkness because they do not understand true cosmic laws which maintain the balance of STO entities. When you have one negative agenda leading another negative agenda what connects them?

Lies. Lies are what seperate the STS and the STO.

These laws are in place to make sure that if one chooses to be of an STO nature they will follow them in order to keep with the vibration that they wish to desire. I've come to question Adonai when he says that we will start anew if we don't make the harvest. This may not happen in all cases because in some instances it is not needed. Earth although is a specialty. Due to the control of the Draconian agenda it is in the best interest for all to start over if they don't make the nesseccary adjustments. This duality is a very harsh enviroment and within it lies many deceptions. If one aligns themselves with the love & light Draconian ideology they will never pass the test. There is no inbetween in this cycle, it's either you are ready or you are not. I believe this has to be set to make sure those who fall into the Draconian agenda do not pass the grade for they do not follow cosmic law. The end of the third cycle is coming soon and nothing will change that. Many mysteries lie between us an our anscestors. Their technology thousands of years ago was highly more efficient than what the masses would believe. The Mayans knew that 2012 would be a significant date in our evolution, this isn't just some random date many calculations were put into this calender.

If a being of an STS nature has benevolent intentions based on their own false ideology does that make their descison justified in a positive manner? Cosmic laws are in this realm for a reason. They are the seperating point between STO and STS. STS do not follow the rules. Where STO entities realise the meaning behind these laws to not be apart of ignorance.

Intention plays a role yes. But what consequence will result from the action one is about to commit? This needs to be thought about before the choice is made to make sure one is doing the most beneficial action as apart of the whole.

This seems to be brought up quite often but leaves room for discussion. If you were apart of an ancient culture who sacrificed others like yourself to the 'Gods' would your intent to do good over rule cosmic laws set in place to seperate the polarities? Just because your intent to do well does not mean that you will be accepted into the higher realms. The seperation is in order to make sure that we earn our freedom into the greater densities. If one is not evolved enough they will start over.

Maybe some in this thread need to look deeper to understand the words which are being said. If Adonai and Mike were here to decieve others they would have done it on a more massive scale. They are here to alert us to the truth of which we have always known. They expose the common traps traps and explain the laws which govern our universe. These laws all have a deeper meaning behind them and they are most certainly in place for a reason.

I concur with the reasoning you present here. I have always been "tuned-in" to certain things which normal persons would and could not see...or know. I have tried to travel "beyond" this dimension, but it is closed for some reason. Perhaps the vibrations are not in-sync...yet.

Until then I will wait until the correct time, but advice is always welcome. The feeling of "prickling hairs" on the body when "spreading-out" to sense the "one-ness" is most comforting...I feel as if I am "home" and the wave of unconditional love and acceptance heals all wounds. I find that it can be reached "at-will" with pure-thought and meditation is not needed...it is a conscious direction. Is this similar to "Kundalini Flame?" And the opening of the "Heart" Chakra? I haven't formally studied these things, but find them by "remembering." They have always been with me. There is so much love outside of the "illusion" existing in "reality" is and could be painful.

Can you help a fellow-traveler on the path? Seeing geometric patterns "behind my eyes" is wonderous to behold...and all of this "grand creation" finally makes sense.

Faith is not having to observe a thing to know it is there, thus preserving the unobservable from the destruction by observing.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

Originally posted by redgy
reply to post by Annee

 

isn't it also moronically obvious and condescending that those who by there own truth of light,channels, dreams, higher self are also quick in denial of any other form of religious teachings or wordings as such, maybe what is obviously correct or as a positive for you is just the opposite and as negative for those others. there is no universal truth to any of any sides and hence for discussion, all sides have just as much right in self thoughts or to show themselves as they are for denial or belief, wether of negativity or simply as ones own truth of a positive.

Truth itself is One, the only difference between each other is awareness, some are more aware hold more holyspirit than others, this gets difficult because ego is the enemy of spirit so will attack truth hence the conflicting of this thread is on astral a battle.

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Adonai Christ bless

Ego has multiple meanings.

Please define your meaning of ego - in the above paragraph.

Thank you.

Mammon the stain of the soul, the son of the devil that which is the portal for demons to possess you.

Also known as the mark of the beast.

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Adonai Christ bless

Originally posted by arkaNd
reply to post by ET_MAN

 

Love is the force that pulls us together. It is also the force that tears us apart. The only reason that good & evil are talked about so much in this thread is because we stand at a point in this duality where we must make a choice between them. This choice is something we must choose in this density, for in the higher realms we will expand on concepts. Freewill is the main focus of this lesson to choose between one and the other.

Light is mereley the design/blueprint of which our universe is composed of. It serves as the foundation that was created by the most infinite of intelligence and is what we can return to if we so choose. Words only mean so much and can be interpreted differently according to perspective and programming. Love can mean many things depending on the one that defines it. One can say that they may love to be greedy, for that is what they crave. One could be able to love themselves but not feel unconditional love towards another brother(This is what seperates us from the elitists). Love is feeling, but what does this feeling have in common? What makes malevolent forces do what they do? Most of the time they are ignorant, and have already decided what their own version of the truth is. You can travel all the way around the world and still not realise what the meaning of life is. Evolution is a common goal, we got here, but where are we headed/where are we going next? As we move through to the end of this cycle we are at a time which makes us question everything. Times have changed and for the most part we are given the freedom of what we want to believe in.

The full activation of your seven chakras is the only thing that stands in your way of the christ consiousness which links us together in this false reality. It's a tough concept for me to explain although I have experienced it physically during my childhood. I would fall into a glimpse of this internal happiness only for a moment and then be brought back to this physical matrix in what seemed a matter of seconds. The feeling of which is undescribible among words, visualise yourself being as the innocence of a child and it will bring you back to this state you have always known. Constantly learning to question existance is what leads us to the truth. All of the seven chakras can be linked to endocrine organs in our body. Light energy drawn into these chakras will manifest and alter your consiousness openening up your true being to what you were always meant to be.

Let me ask you this ET_MAN, according to your perspective you see STS forces in this duality acting through greed/hate. You speak of them as supposedly seen from an STO perspective but how do you think these manevolent entities visualise themselves according to their own beliefs? Do you think that these individuals think of themselves as being greedy and deep down hate themselves? If they realised the concepts to the greater meanings of their actions they wouldn't be in the situation they are in now and would have chosen the positive path. The programs of which have been implemented into them leads them believe that the idea of which nice guys finish last and that it's a test to be the baddest of the bad. Why do these negative forces agree to be in existance? If they hated themselves so much because of greed why would they accept to be in existance?

These entities love their own ideology and it will take harsh words to deconfigure their perspective which keeps them bound. They love their own ideology because they consider it to be the truth, they think it is the right way to go about life and ignore all alternatives because this is what they've been told. If we do not give them a clear reflection of their own actions who will be the ones to assist them to change their ways? Some will not want to change, it is up to to them, but we should all learn to properly judge one another so we can give constructive critisism to help one another grow.

This is why I believe that Adonai is correct in saying that the negative path reflects ignorance because STS forces lack the understanding of their true meaning to exist as one. They are of the darkness because they do not understand true cosmic laws which maintain the balance of STO entities. When you have one negative agenda leading another negative agenda what connects them?

Lies. Lies are what seperate the STS and the STO.

These laws are in place to make sure that if one chooses to be of an STO nature they will follow them in order to keep with the vibration that they wish to desire. I've come to question Adonai when he says that we will start anew if we don't make the harvest. This may not happen in all cases because in some instances it is not needed. Earth although is a specialty. Due to the control of the Draconian agenda it is in the best interest for all to start over if they don't make the nesseccary adjustments. This duality is a very harsh enviroment and within it lies many deceptions. If one aligns themselves with the love & light Draconian ideology they will never pass the test. There is no inbetween in this cycle, it's either you are ready or you are not. I believe this has to be set to make sure those who fall into the Draconian agenda do not pass the grade for they do not follow cosmic law. The end of the third cycle is coming soon and nothing will change that. Many mysteries lie between us an our anscestors. Their technology thousands of years ago was highly more efficient than what the masses would believe. The Mayans knew that 2012 would be a significant date in our evolution, this isn't just some random date many calculations were put into this calender.

If a being of an STS nature has benevolent intentions based on their own false ideology does that make their descison justified in a positive manner? Cosmic laws are in this realm for a reason. They are the seperating point between STO and STS. STS do not follow the rules. Where STO entities realise the meaning behind these laws to not be apart of ignorance.

Intention plays a role yes. But what consequence will result from the action one is about to commit? This needs to be thought about before the choice is made to make sure one is doing the most beneficial action as apart of the whole.

This seems to be brought up quite often but leaves room for discussion. If you were apart of an ancient culture who sacrificed others like yourself to the 'Gods' would your intent to do good over rule cosmic laws set in place to seperate the polarities? Just because your intent to do well does not mean that you will be accepted into the higher realms. The seperation is in order to make sure that we earn our freedom into the greater densities. If one is not evolved enough they will start over.

Maybe some in this thread need to look deeper to understand the words which are being said. If Adonai and Mike were here to decieve others they would have done it on a more massive scale. They are here to alert us to the truth of which we have always known. They expose the common traps traps and explain the laws which govern our universe. These laws all have a deeper meaning behind them and they are most certainly in place for a reason.

Much wisdom presented the reason why I must send cosmic fire is because it is the grace of love, for in doing so in reseting the souls themself erasing all lifes across time and dimension they can be free of karma but the consequence is great as well for they must rebegin from a state of primordial matter the foundation of a solar system and go through all cycles once more which does increase a chance of creating more karma hence inturn more suffering if they create it this is a rare opportunity in which karma is purified in the eternal flame, this event others call the cosmic fire I call the great fire is necessary it is not a negative event but a act of grace from love for without it the souls would continue to be bound by their karma forever by doing this some will be able to free themself next cycle after millions of years of evolving once more.

Perhaps that will put your mind at ease as to the reason brother, the event will happen because my soul is anchoring it, just as the Christ consciousness is now anchored into this sphere since my birth and the pouring of light from God is increasing daily longer I am alive, attempts have been on my life but did not suceed and this allows others to align with this consciousness and become Christed.

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Adonai Christ bless

reply to post by trekwebmaster


ET_MAN does not believe we are One, and he is well aware of what this universe is. We are the Family of Light, Infinite in Number, and in Infinity there can be no One, for Infinity has no boundaries or limitations in any way. It is never ending and beyond is always another beyond and so on and so on, without beginning or ending. You have to read his posts, I've quoted them and linked them. I'll find that link again, for he shares what reality is,and what our tests are.

He made this thread due to many requests on his other thread to discuss this, for he didn't agree with this, or said that there is some truth written to draw people but at the crucial moments, an untruth (this is a paraphrase of what he shared by the way, I cant remember word for word).

So on a thread such as this, there are bound to be many disagreeing, and everyone really sees the world in their own way, has their own spiritual belief.

In every thing, how we conduct ourselves is of prime importance. Its one thing to speak of knowing how to, but we need to put it in practice at home, with family and friends and community, but also when we post as well.

If someone posts in a negative controlling fashion or calls us names, we should always send them love, and more and more love. In real life as well.

Conducting ourselves as grown ups, mature and compassionate and kind, as we would wish to be treated in every circumstance or if we were walking with blinders on, amnesia and hormone changes and suddenly traumatized and not behaving well, how understanding are others going to be. We need to treat everyone, with kindness and compassion and understanding, even the ones casting judgments or calling us down.

All I can say through a personal experience is when you begin to wake up, and if you have personal difficulties or weaknesses you're dealing with, and we all do, and many have worldly ideas as well, the world has affected us, we have compromised our integrity and conscience within say. But when we wake up, and have faith and shame for failings, and really strive to see or reach for becoming innocent within, in control, all grown up, miracles start to happen.

And the only way I can explain this, is what Yeshua said about us Being Born Again, which could have been alluding to reincarnation. But we also can be born again, and not in the way the Church's depict, its very hard to explain but these words have been given to me and keep coming over and over. And its a second chance.

All we can do is work on our love and awareness and attempt to become the compassionate, self controlled, all grown up, gentle kind person we would wish to be around.
I'll find that link to those two posts.

Then you would understand what it is he is sharing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless

Mammon the stain of the soul, the son of the devil that which is the portal for demons to possess you.

Also known as the mark of the beast.

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Adonai Christ bless

In the Bible, "mammon" is not a demon but simply an Aramaic word meaning "wealth" or "property."

Matthew states: No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:24

Is this your meaning of Mammon?

If your meaning is different - can you please explain?

Thank you.

reply to post by trekwebmaster

Faith is not having to observe a thing to know it is there, thus preserving the unobservable from the destruction by observing.

I use faith in a different way, because for me its less faith in the unknown, but faith in the known, something my soul//heart knows that is filtering into my consciousness. Its faith in Love and a Perfect Plan for everyone. That everyone counts very very much, and we have a wonderful Loving Family on High, that is here for us, when we change inside enough the help becomes apparent, and at unexpected moments for us all, even when we're lost momentarily or have hit rock bottom.

To me, its Faith in yourself, what you know, your connection to On High, which is many different things to different people. I call this Family. Prime Creator to me is one of the most highly evolved, Higher Higher Selves, Creator/Designer of this school, so also can use the term Creator. But to me the Team/Family of Loving Mature Souls are our Future Selves, in progression, in No Time, and they are all equal, though in different "time/sequencing" levels of progression.

We have lots of help, when we start to yearn to change and grow more in love and ability to help others, we discover help.

Faith to me is believing in yourself, you line to Higher Ups, the Love that permeates all and a purpose for this school.

So it means many things at once.

Its trusting yourself even when the world is out of whack.




Kipling: www.davidpbrown.co.uk...

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:"