Religion is a Hoax?

I believe that religion is just a way governments create to keep the people in line. I mean religions tell you whats bad and whats good and if you doo good you go here and if you do bad you go there, and that you want to go to the good place. The idea of those places keep the public(for the most part) in line. if the governments did not fake religion how would they keep everyone from doing bad things? Prison? that works for some but mst people try to be good for the simple thought of there being a devine creator to whom you must answer for you life choices in the end to determine if you spend eternity in peace or if you are doomed to rot and be tortured.

Anyways thats my theory lets hear some comment and pleas do not flame me because you do not agree this is merely a chat if you disagree please voice it in a mature respectable way =] i dont have time for immature 12 year olds(no offense to the mature ones)

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This could also be one reason for the hush hush on E.Ts because most religions deny them so if they were found out to exist that would shoot down alot of religions!

[edit on 5-8-2010 by Sumdumguy]

Well religion has been around in some form or fashion in every culture for thousands of years, I guess its a realy long lasting conspericy

Yes! I never said it was a new conspiracy i just see how it could be used as control method for the people of a society to abide by its rules.

Well I agree with you there, religion is very controlling.

You are right in that religion is a way to control. So long as man is preaching it, man will always twist the truth. If you are willing to apply cynicism to this small portion of your life, you are doing yourself a disservice. You need to be a cynic in everything, not just religion. If it was used for control, surely those that are in control would seek to control everyone, and not just some people who follow deities, or who are prone to superstitions. Just a question for you...in what other ways could they control you? Id love to hear your ideas.

[edit on 8/5/2010 by The Endtime Warrior]

Religions are formed and controlled by people, regardless of their intention, they are fallible and corruptible by nature.

This is a really touchy subject when looking at religion from a spiritually unaware perspective, and it is hard to legitimize many of the religions due to the fact that they are corrupted at certain levels.

None of it really matters, if you personally witness the divine spirit, you won't need religion. I also believe that religion has such a bad reputation, that it has deterred millions of people from pursuing the ultimate truth about our creation and our creator. When these people are asked about God, the first thing they do is talk about the horrible and hypocritical things people do in his name. That's not an excuse not to follow God. IMHO.

I'm not accusing you of any of this, just offering my point of view.

[edit on 5-8-2010 by Visitor2012]

There's two kinds of religion:

One that needs a human mediator who sets themselves up to speak for the Divinity.

Another where every human being has a direct connection to the Divinity itself.

Which one might you more readily trust and which could be prone to the human tendency of greed?

Gday,

Originally posted by Sumdumguy
I believe that religion is just a way governments create to keep the people in line.

Hmmm...
Can you give an example of a religion created by a governmnt?


Kap

reply to post by Sumdumguy


Prison?


Check it out - the idea of someone bending me over day after day does a hell of a lot more to deter me than the ultimate fallacy...


If some omnipotent being does indeed end up judging me, I'm screwed regardless - how do you explain to Da' Man that you think his whole train of thought is equal to a 5th generation inbred..?





And buck-up dude - putting a ? next to your title kinda watered the OP down.

reply to post by Sumdumguy

I believe that religion is just a way governments create to keep the people in line.

That's a very silly thing to say. Yes religion does often have elements of social order and civic law blended into it but that is not JUST what religion is for. Religion also offered ancient people's explanations for natural phenomenon they couldn't understand. The stars in the sky, volcanoes, earth quakes, they were personified as gods.

While the social control aspect of religion has had some horrific side-effects I feel that, in early civilization, it was an integral part of coalescing societies and uniting them against their rivals. Religion is meant to unite but it also does divide us all too much. That is one of the reasons I feel religion is on its way out, slowly but surely. The world, as it develops, will become more and more integrated and connected by the internet. On the internet, with a free exchange of ideas, it will be harder for religions to thrive.

if the governments did not fake religion how would they keep everyone from doing bad things?

I'm not sure what you mean by this... One does not need religion to have a moral code or a system of laws. Just look at the Constitution of the United States, it sets up a government free of ties to religion (or it is meant to). People can be moral with or without religion and people can be immoral with or without religion however that being said I think religion causes more evil than it prevents, at least that has been the trend with fundamentalist and cult-like beliefs.

I don't think religion is fabricated by governments, although when religion ends up in bed with government we get wonderful things like the Inquisitions and Crusades. Hence why we are meant to have a wall between Church and State in America.

I think I get what you are saying. Religions are a form of control. They might not start that way but look at Jim Jones and David Koresh. Remember Heavens Gate also? The Gov. doesn't necessarily have to be behind the control, but like it was said by a previous post, religion and government often find themselves in bed with one another.

Shouldn't you have posted this in the Hoax Section then?!
Just sayin.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Man, you nailed it.

Religion per say is not IMO a bad thing. It is what people do in the name of that system of beliefs that makes it a bad thing.

I have read the christian bible and there are many aspects of it that make it a quality tome of living. It talks of charity and love, it tells comforting stories designed to help deal with fear, it promotes a morally conscious lifestyle and teaches you to just have faith. Granted, that is only a part of it, but Aesop wasnt perfect either and I think the same about his tome.

Now, I can agree that religion at large has controlling aspects and terrifying aspects. Extremists tend to do that with a belief system. Of course, everyone reads what they want to read and everyone has a slightly different understanding of hidden meaning.

I dont deny that religion is by its very nature a double-edged sword, wielding both truth and consequence for its followers and those who do not.

I think more people are starting to see religion for what it truly is and that will only grow in time. Religion played a vital role in social development and has had its run. As its importance slips, so will people's perspectives and hopefully more people will learn to have faith in their own self and abilities and not pawn that off to the All Knowing.

Yes I believe it's a hoax...a hoax started by Aliens...they pretended to be Gods...but I guess they actually are in a way if you believe we were an engineered slave species...they are our "creators"...

You hit the nail squarely on the head.

Thats what it's all about. Control. Always has been.

before Governments, before anybody even knew what that word meant, guess who was in charge? The Church. Guess who you paid your rent, your taxes to? The Church. Church and state have always been intertwined in most cultures.

'Government' was thought up by the church as a more palllatable way of ruling the hell out of us all whilst keeping the illusion of free speech and demorcratic rule of law. Those of us who dont beleive in some omnipotent supernatural entity that governs us all could sleep soundly knowing our affairs were being run by rational bunch of suits who arent the church.

I think its only very recent history where most countries governments are not controlled by the church or religious doctrine in any way. It's still there, festering though behind the governments of way too many countries. You idiots know who you are.

Religions belong in the past if you ask me. It's like a stupid pointless drug or childish fairytale we as a species dont need any more.

I agree with you to an extent. I do not believe that all religions are in bed with all governments, or areas of government. Religion is corrupt today simply because man is involved in it, period! Man is full of greed and power lust which ultimately is his undoing. Not everyone uses religion to gain power, however, those who do can be easily successful.

For the most part, people want to be led, they want to be told what to do and how to do it. It's much easier to go to a building and congregate with like minded people to hear some stories that induce the "warm and fuzzies" than it is to think for themselves. What ever the Pastor, Rabbi, Preacher or Teacher says is what goes. There is no questioning that because it is those same people who tell you that, they are, after all, soooo much close to God, Allah, Yeshewa or whomever than you are!

Just this basic principle alone is enough to give those who want it all the power in the world over many. Then you add the FEAR that religion incorporates into it's controlling structure and you are delving head-long into a danger zone! Fear is the almighty motivator! "Give 'God' 10% of your income or you are unworthy of 'His' unconditional love and mercy'" or "You gossiped about so&so and that is a SIN. You will now be judged." And don't even think about stealing, lying, cheating on your spouse or even associating with anyone outside of said religion! The ultimate fear is, of course, inciting God's wrath. This will land your soeey hind-end in the ultimate eternal prison!!

It's just ridiculous and religion is just outdated. More wars were started over religious differences than any other reason. One religion's inability to tolerate anything outside of it's own teachings is actually against it's own teachings (at least as far as the most main stream religions go). Religion is a living, breathing, growing oxymoron!

Ok, that's my opnion and if I keep going I may need to start my own thread about it !!

Great topic and keep seeking your own knowledge and truth, THAT will set you free.

Please understand this. We're NOT talking about religion here. Religion is a man- made institution used to control peoples lives and make them "sheeple." I have just one question for you. Where and how do you want to do eternity? Remember, this is NOT religion. Eternity is forever . There is no turning back once you die. Yeshua made it so that you can stand before GOD clean and washed of your sins, but you must turn from them, while you live and never do them again. This is not religion, this is building your new self and is the toughest thing you'll ever do in this life, how you spend your Eternity depends on this.

reply to post by Sumdumguy


The God whom I believe in is the creator of the whole universe and every living thing that is and has been in it.

The Jews who have the privilege of writing the Old Testament believe in One God before they ever had a King and a Government ruled by man.

In this country that has turned away from the one true God the Government does not push any one religion as correct.

But in the some countries I do agree that they use violet religious belief to put fear into there people to keep them in subjection.

Originally posted by musicdoctrumpet
Please understand this. We're NOT talking about religion here. Religion is a man- made institution used to control peoples lives and make them "sheeple." I have just one question for you. Where and how do you want to do eternity? Remember, this is NOT religion. Eternity is forever . There is no turning back once you die. Yeshua made it so that you can stand before GOD clean and washed of your sins, but you must turn from them, while you live and never do them again. This is not religion, this is building your new self and is the toughest thing you'll ever do in this life, how you spend your Eternity depends on this.

So what you're saying is that, in this life, I'm forming the character for the next life?

Well, if that's the case, I'm off to buy myself a Superman Suit

To infinity and beyond.....

Originally posted by Kapyong
Gday,

Originally posted by Sumdumguy
I believe that religion is just a way governments create to keep the people in line.

Hmmm...
Can you give an example of a religion created by a governmnt?


Kap

Perfect examples. Chritianity, Islam, Hindu, Buddism, etc are all created by man. The concept of God is created by man. The messiah's like our recent one Jesus Christ are just a fabrication. He didn't exist. All religions are just a con for mass population control. Look into the history of the 'Babylonian Brotherhood' AKA the 'Illuminati'. And u need not look no further than the Vatican.

They created religion and wrote the bible and similar fictional books. It's all based on lies to control people.

Religion is the greatest Scam in human history!!!

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-Aryan priests and ‘royalty’ which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post-flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs - of today’s world religions were established to control and rule the people.

[edit on 6/8/2010 by stevcolx]