Forgetful Mullen's 'unintended consequences'

Originally posted by kindred
To ozzy765

Maybe it will end when the so called patriotic American people actually grow a real backbone ...

[edit on 6-8-2010 by kindred]

As opposed to the people in the UK that let their government disarm them (now it's spoons ) without so much as a whimper. And then you let your nanny-state government put up cameras everywhere including some people's houses "for your own good".

You were once strong, proud people. Grow a set AND a backbone and then come back and talk with us about world affairs.

As to something else you foolishly posted earlier, iran may not "have plans for world domination", but they surely have plans for how they would deal (offensively and defensively) with every other country in the middle east, which includes Israel.



[edit on 8/6/2010 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by bestideayet

So we're actually planning a war on Iran. There is a plan of attack already in the talks within our government. So much for transparency, huh?

Not only would this be considered a start to WW3, but it basically sets off what has been written in various prediction threads. Did this guy just slip up? You decide!

www.atimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Mullen's admission is the bluntest statement yet on Iran by an official of the Obama administration. The usual White House line is that "all options remain on the table," according to The Guardian.

The next event on the prophetic timeline is Gog Magog/WW3. Ezekiel 38 through 39 and Isaiah 17:1-3 are on the doorstep of fulfillment beginning late this year.

“And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom . . . all these are the beginning of sorrows.” Matthew 24:6-8

OP, could you be any more of a sensationalist? I am not aware if it has already been said, but the US has "war plans" for pretty much every nation on earth. (and visa verse)

This is nothing new. And it certainly does not mean war is inevitable.

also keep in mind... it looks more and more like the wikileaks is sort of a false flag op...

basically the US and Israel put out exactly what they wanted to put out.

and if there are war plans for Iran in there I guarauntee you they are fake. This is just a deception to keep Iran guessing.

everything that was actually leaked was not very secret at all... some of it may have had a 'secret' stamp but most was probably just 'confidential'

and u can bet what ever was leaked was closely examined before it was leaked and definitely allowed to be leaked before it was.

its all just a dog and pony show

reply to post by centurion1211


Boo Hoo!! Sorry I don't need a gun to feel secure, simply because I don't live in a state of fear like you do. Then again you live in a more violent society than I do, so maybe you should keep your guns.

The British people also need to wake up, but it will be the truth & the spoken word that defeats evil & corruption, not violence. The honorable way, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.



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Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by gator1177

 

Sorry blaming humanity is nothing but a cop out, simply because not all humans are responsible for the state this planet is in. I'm certainly not, as both my hands and my conscience is clean, which is true for the most part as far as most people are concerned. It's the minority who are ruining it for everyone else. Governments, criminals & morons etc.

Those who are evil and corrupt only have one goal in life and that is to drag the rest of us good people into the gutter and they do that by trying to make out that we are the ones that are responsible for the mess and they do this by creating an constant atmosphere of fear, doom & gloom. (welcome to ATS).

Only someone who is ignorant would blame all of humanity and then defend their corrupt government. There's also the fact that what goes on inside Iran is nobody's business but the Iranian people's. If they don't like their laws or the way their government is, then it is up to them and them alone to do something about it. Why don't you Americans concern yourselves with the state of your own corrupt government and country, which right now is in a state of disarray.

There is no justification for attacking Iran. To do so is an act of evil. But what's new when it comes to the real axis of evil in this world. American, Britain & Israel.

Wow, and you call me ignorant... I never defended my government. Did you even read my comments or you just following the bash America banter? You forgot a group to be included in your "evil and corrupt" category and that is people who target one group and blame their life's issues on that groups....ring a bell? You can't take humanity and divide it into individual people. If you did that humanity would cease to have any meaning as it would change from person to person, extreme to extreme. Humanity is a whole, not an individual person. *yawn* So what have you done to help change the world today, I mean besides bashing one group?

Originally posted by bestideayet

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Not only would this be considered a start to WW3,

Would everyone stop with the "It's gonna be WWIII" crap when speaking in regards to any attack on Iran. Iran's army isn't that large and no other country is going to cast it's lot with Iran in a battle against the U.S.

Who exactly is going to side with Iran in a losing proposition vs the US and others? Take a look at Iran's border neighbors, none of them are going to help Iran. The Arab World? Don't make me laugh, they'd sooner support Israel (ie Saudi Arabian overfly ok) than Persian Iran. China or Russia? They won't risk it and the U.S. will cut deals with them. North Korea? How does doing that help that regime and how would they get assistance over there? Venezuela? They would try to help, given Chavez's rhetoric, but realistically they can't do much.

Iran will be left to it's own devices and only Hezbollah will come to their aid.

reply to post by gator1177


Your words alone defend the actions of your government by blaming humanity for all the problems which is complete and utter BS. Like I said, I don't have any blood on my hands or on my conscience and neither does the majority of people. Stop being a sympathiser for those who wish to destroy this world.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

I can tell you that Iran does have nukes currently. They are all hidden. The U.S has been monitoring activity that indicates they are building nukes. The problem is that there isn't 100% proof. It's mainly suspicion. I hear from other sources Iran does have it currently. The thing is that they are keeping it under ground and transporting the goods by truck. All of it is covered during transport so satellite imagery can't tell 100% what they are carrying into the monitored plants.

The thing is that Iran isn't making nukes because they have a evil plan to kill the U.S and Israel. They are doing it in fear of Israel and the U.S trying to control them. Right now Iran is doing a good job at hiding them. The problem is that the U.S uses these things for reasons to get inside a country.

Let's look at what happened so far. Iraq, The U.S claims they had weapons of mass destruction and are supporting terrorists. We the U.S invade and find no weapons of mass destruction. We then say hmmm.... well the people hate saddam we will take him out of power for the local people. So we fight and fight and find him hiding and then we install our own puppets in the Iraqi government and changed the government to democracy. We indirectly killed saddam and did manipulated the public making people think that saddam tear gassed his own people for sick and twisted games for his enjoyment. Yet in reality he found out his brother in law been bought out by the U.S so he would spy on saddam and send information to the U.S CIA. Also no one also told that we the U.S also stoled alot of technology from Iraq in missile technology. Now we are trying to do a repeat with Iran. It's Iran's turn. We helped and created a riot in Iran.

If you don't fully understand what I am talking about and don't fully know what CIA does. Then play a simulation game called civilization 3. It gives you a full picture of what they do. It's not 100% accrue to real life but gives you a basis. If you want to attack a country you must stir up trouble internally. This way you weaken the country from within.
So what do you do? you spread propaganda for example if we want to attack Iran. We would first contact media outlets and pay them money to air some news. This news would take a real event and then twist it with our views. Making the Leader look bad. Now if the local people distrusts the lead then you get people that will work with you to get him out of power or destroyed.

Just look at the Iraq war and how saddam fell. The U.S invaded because of weapons of mass destruction and then found none. They had to give more reasons as to why to stay there and on top of it they turned alot of local people against saddam by lieling to them about that mustard gas episode. The key concept is that before you start a war against a country you first weaken them. That way they won't be much of a threat or would be easier to be dealt with by force. This whole time going back and fort with the media was to weaken Iran. It was to make the world look at Iran and have alot of hate that way no country would help them out and would assist the U.S in any way they can.

If you do remember a while back there were riots in Iran and videos posted on youtube etc. Those local people are experiencing propaganda from the U.S to have hate against their own president. This causes them to assist or be willing to assist the U.S and even if they don't assist they most likely won't be assisting their own president since they are upset and have alot of hatred against him.

So if you look at the past and look at the Iraq war you will see the concepts are very similar. I can tell for fact that the U.S for the past 2 years have been itching to have war with Iran. The problem is that the U.S is stupid and don't fully understand we are in a economic crises because of all these wars and having big corps to move operations to offshore lands. This got rid of the jobs in the U.S and also raised the expenses of the U.S.

I do think we will have World War 3. The reason is that Iran themselves aren't stupid. They know some tricks the U.S is trying to play. They are fighting it currently and do know at some point the U.S and Israel will attack. This is why they are delaying the time so they can build enough nukes and missiles and newer military technology. They stale by denying they have the nukes and making sure the U.S gets no evidence of it. The reason is that so the U.S can't invade since they won't have 100% support by the world for such an attack unless they got the proof. I would think the U.S image got hurt by how they handled the Iraq war. So the U.S is trying to find different areas where they can make Iran look bad enough to get everyone upset at them.

This new york episode about the mosque is one point. They are trying to also get all Americans to agree we need to attack. So they pushed for a mosque to be built next to the world trade center to make americans think muslims are the enemy this way if we attack Iran we can say we attacked the enemy. The smartest thing was how they did this. They want to make it a sore thorn for americans to remember who to hate for 9/11.
They are trying not just for americans but for the world to have great tensions about muslims well just to tame them up for an Iraq attack. You also must of heard how the president of Iran was viewed as another hitler etc. This are tatics from U.S and Israel.
To be honest Israel is behind the movement against Iran and wants the U.S support.

Ron Paul dosen't know the full story behind the scenes.

Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by centurion1211

 

Boo Hoo!!

Sorry I don't need a gun to feel secure, simply because I don't live in a state of fear like you do. Then again you live in a more violent society than I do, so maybe you should keep your guns.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by kindred]

You don't even have the facts concerning your own country.

Violent crime in the UK vs. the U.S.

The public misconception is that the UK is a safe country and the US violent, but the truth is just the opposite. Depending on which numbers you choose, the violent crime rate in the UK is five times higher than the rate in the US.

My bolding for emphasis.

This is a very simple request - at least find out what's going on in the UK before bothering us here with your "thoughtful insights".

reply to post by centurion1211


If there's one thing people like you are renown for, it is buying into lies and propaganda. Need I say more.

www.nationmaster.com...

I think it's safe to say that more people are killed every year in one state in America, than the whole of the UK put together.



[edit on 6-8-2010 by kindred]

Originally posted by kindred
Then again you live in a more violent society than I do, so maybe you should keep your guns.

O'Rly? Britain has a higher crime rate than the US. In fact, Britian has a higher crime rate than any place in Europe!

So that information that you provided above is highly inaccurate.



Maybe a gun isn't such a bad idea in Britain after all?

The British people also need to wake up, but it will be the truth & the spoken word that defeats evil & corruption, not violence. The honorable way, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Peaceful revolution? You are quite gullible if you believe in such fairy tales.

[edit on 6-8-2010 by West Coast]

reply to post by pavil


It will be a world war 3 if the U.S attacks Iran. China and Russia will support Iran indirectly. This world war 3 will be Iran against the U.S and Israel and Britain. Venezuela and many other countries will help Iran. The reason is that they didn't like the Iraq war we did. Not just that if they start using nukes more and more countries will get involved because using Nukes is a international issue. Once nukes come into play with attacks on Iran then this will spark the world war 3 where other countries will get involved.

How can you say that there won't be a world war 3 at all? The U.S has a bad image in the world based off the Iraq war and what they doing in Afghanistan. If they see the U.S attacking Iran in a inhuman matter meaning nuke them or bio warfare. The other countries will assist Iran. The reason is that you will have more power attacking at that point rather then wait and have the U.S come knocking at your door later in the years and nuke your butt.

So stop saying that there isn't going to be a world war 3 and telling others to shut their mouths and never say such a thing. If you know how politics works and how military strategic works. You will understand why people are saying there will be a world war 3. If we attack Iran and Iran or the U.S use nukes or bio-warfare. The reason those 2 things would strike a world war 3 is because number one it's inhuman and number two these types of things effects the sounding countries. If I was next door to Iran I wouldn't want to have the U.S being the new next door neighbor that overtook the land by force.

Sorry west coast, but the Daily Mail isn't exactly a reliable source of information, it's renown for blowing things out of proportion. When it comes to the Daily Mail, every day is a day of doom and gloom. It's readers would be right at home here on ATS.

There is more violent death's in America than Britain every year and that is fact. A lot more.

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reply to post by computerwiz32


You can't say for definite that it's going to spill over into world war 3 until it happens, as anything could happen, but that thought is on a lot of peoples minds, at least those who actually care about this world and the fact that attacking Iran is unjustified. I know who I'll be cheering for if the s### does hit the fan. Iran UK, America, & Israeli governments & their military.

The chess game is in play now, even before the 1st bullet is fired yet.

The only way US to WIN this game is to AVOID war in Teheran, no matter what the military industrial complex says.

Besides have an inflamed INTERNATIONAL muslim faithfuls being manipulated with religion to take action, US will have to face China and Russia.

Russia too is only playing the game. Currently it is supporting US, but what it desires is recognition as a Western Culture and power, and a a chance of entry into the NWO. They too know the failure of communism and are looking at the rothschilds and rockerfellers for assistance to dominate their masses. They will fire on China if need be, but at a price if the western elites are prepared to pay and share.

China is an NWO by itself and will like nothing better than to import its dominance to the world. It is big enough to accept nukes, but western civilisation will be destroyed by China's nukes. It's 2 million strong army will then mop up the pieces and there will be NO FREEMAN left on Earth.

Thus for US to win this game, is to give what Russia desires, nukes to Teheran and bound them to nuclear responsibilities, say hell to the ineffectual UN's call for a nuke free world. With war avoided, China will have to wait for other opportunities to dominate Earth and humanity.

There is not enough precious young american lives to be sacrificed for every nation to seek for nukes, even if the military industrial complex is willing to pay. Nukes isnt the only power left to control nations. Soft and hard means are possible to win the masses over to common goals and aspirations, and needs not from the barrel of guns.

The military industrial complex needs not wage wars to gain funds and support their king like status lifestyles. Space awaits us anyway.

With financial support for manufacturing of needed and hi tech products that will help and elevate mankind, there will be demand for products and jobs for everyone. No need to resort to war to hasten humanity's demise.... .

reply to post by pavil


Go educate yourself some (a lot) more and come back.
Country and number of troops

reply to post by computerwiz32


You well educated, nice observation.

Iran cannot be weaken from inside because the new leader is not really religious zealot like previous Khomeini or other world lavishly Arab nations. Ahmednajad is a new breed of Middle East leader, same also to the Turks.
Ahmenajad is "people minded leader" which is his strength and he play world politic very well compared to the inept Khomeini. Because of this US have reason to afraid.

Sit back and think -
"Is there any leader able to challenge another leader in open face debate openly ?"

Almost all can do but none dare do it openly.
The reason is:
A man with truth dare to fight anything because he know, he was right.


So........, when will Israel attack commence ? The assassin attempt failed yesterday, whats next ?

yeah yeah breaking breaking news, everybody shouting like little girls, when will the war start?! Can't wait for blood being shed.

Originally posted by kindred
Sorry west coast, but the Daily Mail isn't exactly a reliable source of information, it's renown for blowing things out of proportion. When it comes to the Daily Mail, every day is a day of doom and gloom.

It's readers would be right at home here on ATS.

Mine was EU commission to the UN. Or perhaps you ignorantly overlooked the pic I provided?

I suppose the telegraph.co.uk is also unreliable?

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.

It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

Hmmm, I wonder how that rate compares to the US?

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

Again, here is the earlier pic I posted...



Yes, despite your best attempt to erase rational logic and facts, your nation is quite a violent one. (more violent then the US, and any other nation in Europe)

There is more violent death's in America than Britain every year and that is fact. A lot more.

The US population is also 4-5x that of the UK's. Its simple math.


[edit on 6-8-2010 by West Coast]

Happy ta put my two cents forth here y'all...

I do get the feeling from what analysis I have been reading in the past that the real potential does exist for this to escalate. It seems to be a matter of how much the world views USreal as the axis of modern world aggression, cause of global financial depression, contributor to regional eco-disasters, human trafficing, protector of global drug trade, etc.

Folks keep overestimating how much the rest of the world cowers before this once great nation's military and economic might.

At some point enough will be enough and some moslem country who has been quiet for a while will lob a couple of nukes into isreal -- maybe after IsraHell sets a nuke (false flag of course) off in some container in a US container port... which gets blamed on Iran... of course

Or alternatively, after this so-called 'limited' attack over in Iran goes down, Iran righteously responds and the Israeli sub in the region shadowing our flotilla... ahem... 'helps' the carnage of US ship losses along enough to a scale that makes great wartime TV... intended to enrage the 'murrican masses'.

The American public's response is to get sucked into wide-ranging conscription for an all out war to defend Western 'civilisation'. as now the 'boots on the ground' numbers are quite insufficient to keep control of the additional territory the US war machine can bomb (naw, haven't seen that already in a couple currrent conflicts now have we?)

then *BLINK* worldwide military conflagration.

resulting eventually in a successful Nuke / Bio strike on THIS country (US) with a follow-up invasion in its weakened state DUE TO FALLOUT AND PLAGUE

Don't think it can happen? Frankly, to me, it appears INTENDED TO HAPPEN


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