The Chronicle Project: Hidden Truths Revealed

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Section31

 

I really don't even have an answer for you. I am just saddened that the truth will pass you by because you are blinded by what you have been led to believe is necessary to obtain truth. It just has to be a hard thing to find, huh?

Why should we not question where information comes from?

Can a car salesman tell you how to build a nuclear reactor? Without an education?

reply to post by Section31

Can a car salesman tell you how to build a nuclear reactor? Without an education?

How is this in any way related to linguistics? The people who are doing the translation are LINGUISTS. They have an education. Did you think it was a bunch of tater peelers that claimed to have suddenly had an epiphany about Ancient Hebrew?

ETA: Have you actually put your eyeballs on any of the notes that they have on the site?

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Section31

 

... Did you think it was a bunch of tater peelers that claimed to have suddenly had an epiphany about Ancient Hebrew?

Oh, bloody hell yes. Hobbyists come from all walks of life.

Second, they never once posted their credentials.

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Section31

 

ETA: Have you actually put your eyeballs on any of the notes that they have on the site?

How do you think I knew they were not cited works? Sure, they cited bible scriptures, but they do not tell us where the overall translation started.

A Canadian Hebrew research group...

Okay. I need more information.
Who is exactly involved? Who is funding? Is there a University involved? Canadian research team from what university, college, or institution?

Absolutely fascinating. I visited their website, and their translation of genesis was astounding.

I wonder if I could teach myself to translate, with all the tools they provide?

reply to post by Section31


Then why on earth don't you e-mail them and ask for yourself? I already made contact with them. You do so, also. They answer every e-mail they get. Try it now, for pete's sake?!

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


Yes, you absolutely can. Choose your favorite scripture and give it a whirl. They do encourage that. That is why they published every bit of their study notes and everything needed to do your own translation. Have fun, but don't chew your fingernails off!

Originally posted by jennybee35
reply to post by Section31

 

Then why on earth don't you e-mail them and ask for yourself? I already made contact with them. You do so, also. They answer every e-mail they get. Try it now, for pete's sake?!

When someone writes a college essay or doctrine's thesis, the individuals providing the argument (you guys) are the ones responsible for such information. If you (or the thread owner) do not have such information readily available, (to support your hypothesis), you (nor the thread owner) can say that what the site is providing is based upon facts.

Before anyone claims that this information is based upon truthful information, someone should have already done the research prior to making such an argument.

Ever since I discovered about the sumerian tablets I have been trying to preach this. sumerians got it right and the Jews were trying to make it seem that they were the first civilization and everybody believed it. The old testament in the bible was indeed a bad translation of the seven tablets of creation via the Sumerians.

reply to post by Section31


When people's beliefs get tainted because they translated and found out they don't like what they see. They will find a way to make the translation into a false one. How about Elohim and the Hebrew bible states it as one god. But many scholars are now seeing it as plural for gods. Sitchin is now starting to sound right.

reply to post by dragnet53


Did you read anything on the www.thechronicleproject.org... site? If you had then you would see that the translation makes it clear that God included His Government, or Supreme Ones, in the creation account.

you know I'm new to the whole site thing, and I just watched a bunch of people who CLAIM to be open minded attack a person bringing new info. Who are you people. This is exactly what people outside do to us and we are doing it to Jenneybee.
So here is a site with a claim. Instead of reading, you are asking for credentials. Conspiracy theorists, YOU are asking Credentials?
Most of us have NONE, because we don't trust authority.
Wake up people, you've become those you distrust.
Now research the material

This has absolutely blown my mind!

The 'supreme ones' 'copying' and 'employing' us?

The animals of earth 'designated' to Earth to 'represent earth'?

Are you kidding me? This clearly ties in with the ancient alien theories of Sumer and Egypt.

I'm even more freaked out at the fact that information being "leaked" like this is an indication of deliberate acclimatization for a dis informative disclosure or faked invasion via HAARP.

Again, these translations are mind blowing!

Great material. And incidently about as shocking as finding chicken taste like chicken for the studied person whom abandoned structured belief long ago.

Countless claims, most other histories of the world in regards to advanced civs tend to have the same stories.

Even the crappy bible as it stands currently speak more logically of a alien encounter than some super ghostman..but meh, prople believe what they are told to believe by their Masters anyhow.

Knowledge and truth is not the path of many...and clearly as you seen, most whom have their core beliefs questioned will become irrational. When you catch a fish, often you can tell it knows its going to die after awhile and instad of accept its fate, it flips around wildly. This is the collective move of religion (hopefully)...flipping and jerking around and making all kinds of noise...then a quiet death to follow.

Then we can actually start on a path of enlightenment finally after five thousand years of being held hostage by overlords and their idiot enforcers.

Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by dontreally

 

you don't find it a bit odd that you just left out the author of the Christian faith-Jesus, but did use someone/thing else in an attempt to crocify?

Hebrews-
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith

1Peter-
if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Colossians-
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Heres an unfortunate fact for a christian to digest.

Christianity is gnosticism, which in itself is based on paganism. When i first discovered this some 6 or 7 years ago, it really shook my faith. I was a catholic before my 'conversion' away from that nonsense. I studied the Hermetic and gnostic texts. For one, the hermetic texts were incredibly similar to some basic christian iconography. hermes , a shepherd among men, seated as a 'world savior'. Gnosticism and the New Testamant convery Jesus of nazareth in the same light. I know the 'esoteric doctrine' and im sorry it isnt for me.

The only truth is Judaism. And if you dont like Judaism, than a realistic alternative is paganism - in whatever way you like it. Christian - that is, in its mystical Gnostic way, or perhaps youre more inclined towards sufism in Islam, or Buddhism, Taosim, Hinduism, Shinto, etc etc. These other religious cults share a similar cocneption of reality with christianity. Surprising as it is, this is a common academic opinion- from those who appreciate the archetypal and mystical basis of all religious, mythological writings.

I didnt mention jesus because for one, hes a symbol for what Jung called 'the self', and two, if he did exist, he was what Shabbati Tazi was to later judaism - an apostate, a Greek Roman usurper.

I feel completely satisfied with what i know. Im highly educated, so i cant dismiss my opinion as short sighted. When you appreciate the 'occult' - that is hidden, mystical construction of all myth and language, things become more white and black - especially when theyre contrasted with the truth of Judaism. Otherwise, its all simply gray. Judaism brings out real distinctions between religious paths.

Im not personally against any religious paths as long as they stick by the 7 noachide commandments enumerated in Talmud. If mankind follows this, than Taoist, gnostic, buddhist, hindu etc can allow retain their unique traditions, but unfortunately will have to make some funamental modifcations in their philosophy. For one, G-d shoudl be acknowledged, aned his 7 laws respected and honored. Which means everything taht contradicts those 7 imperial laws, will have to be purged from you tradition. In Christianity and Islam, hinduism, taoiss, essentially all world religions will have to make ammenmdnents; some completely dissolved - like neopaganism etc because of their sheer focus and belief in the creative power of evil, a worship of nature. Such people would actually prefer dying for their 'god' than accepting the reality that there is only one G-d, one creator, one preserve of reality who directes it to the most seemingly meaningless thing. G-d, and and 'christ', which if you knew better is a symbol for the pagan 'god-amn' a theme which appears and in central to many religious paths today, aswell as the path. Buddah is the world savior in the east, Krishna is the avatar (physical manifestation) of the God Vishnu (who is archetypally akin to G-d as judge - so he shares amny qualities with G-d as conveyed in the Torah, although he is a much limited type - simialar to Zeus, Osiris, Marduk, etc) Marduk gives birth to Nebo, or Zeus makes love to a 'earthly' mortal and persues is born from that. In another area its dionysous, and yet another its bacchus, apollo. In Egypt Osiris is killed and resurrects as his son Horus. Yet it was Isis who was integral to this process - she had to collect his 14 dismembered parts and put him together. She got all but one - the penis. This is similar to Mary being needed to 'materialize' Jesus (Mater is latin for mother, the source of the english 'material' - hence the archetypal connection between matter, revelation and the feminine). Or in Islam with Fatima, mohommads daughter, 'the fairest of all women'. I already related the greek version of Zeus and Persues. This themse is repeated in similar ways throughout. The dynamic remains the same. Its describing a theological psychology, a spiritual philosophy, that ultimately represents each groups unique ideology.

Judaism is actually god sent, whereas the other traditions are in the hands of 'gods' made of human hands. A maseka, a pesel, a 'sculptured' image, an ideological representation, personification of their unconscious relationship to the universe. This 'archetype' is the god they worship. And because mind is reality, this archetype is very much their god, whom they recieve guidance and supprot from.

Thus, Jesus is YOUR god, with an uncapitalized G, who in no way shape or form shares an congruency with Judaism.

reply to post by shoulda taken the blue pi


good post. I'm just wandering after reading the source document from the chronicle project about the whole creation topic. There are the supreme ones of Genesis one and then there is the ruler of all or the ruler of the supreme ones in Genesis 2.

I have posted on other sites about the possibility of two different creations. Can you see the possibility of this in these interpretations? the Supreme ones may have created beings as well as Adam who was made by the Ruler of all in Gen 2. Is that why when Kyawan (Cain) was expelled he was able to take a wife and have a child Khanavak, amongst his people and build a city. Did his wife come from the beings created by the supreme ones.... Do we possibly have two different blood lines... My question is, where did Kyawan's wife and his people come from?

And if Moses came from the blood line of The ruler of all and was under the authority of The Ruler of All then why did The Ruler of All request the murder of so many people in Exodus if not for the eradication of a dangerous blood line that may have resulted in many more horrors on earth than what already exists... and where did that cold blooded line come from, the cold blooded mindset that would hurt children murder rape and plunder not only fellow humans but animals and mother earth?

If the Shining One which convinced Eve to eat of the fruit was told by the Ruler of All that it was now the most insignificant of all yet was also the leader, does it not make sense that the Shining one was also a part of the supreme ones who assisted in creating man as expressed in Genesis one?

Anyway I imagine many questions remain unanswered however I really like the Chronicle Project and have found the interpretations to be most interesting

thank you for this thread

reply to post by dontreally


1John-
Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

I feel like this is being played down. If this is legitimate then it should be HUGE! Not only what's been concealed but for what may be about to happen.

Originally posted by shoulda taken the blue pi
you know I'm new to the whole site thing, and I just watched a bunch of people who CLAIM to be open minded attack a person bringing new info. Who are you people. This is exactly what people outside do to us and we are doing it to Jenneybee.
So here is a site with a claim. Instead of reading, you are asking for credentials. Conspiracy theorists, YOU are asking Credentials?
Most of us have NONE, because we don't trust authority.
Wake up people, you've become those you distrust.
Now research the material

What the?!?! I am not sure about what you are saying. Can you please be more specific or clear?

Second, you must always look for credible sources, so that a specific claim can have some type of levity. Asking about someone's credentials is apart of the process. It gives someone's work a sense of accuracy and levity.

Third, I personally have credentials, so I expect everyone else to also have them. When I converse with other individuals, I expect that they have a degree from reaching a higher level of education. Maybe some professional experiences as well. I expect nothing less.

If we lower the bar on this forum, the evidence shared will have no bases of truth. Everything on that site should be questioned for accuracy; thus, we need to know who the site owner is. Where does he come from? What type of degrees does he have? Has he written any books? Is he being backed by a religious institution, or is he being backed by a professional educational institution?

What makes his work so important that it 'has to be correct'?

Only naive people would believe in something without check the origins of it's source.

So you are saying, credentials are necessary for truth, or there is no truth?
So if a normal unpapertrained person tells me that he has found that the world is round, I should disregard him because the papered tell me that the world is flat. They have proof and I should ignore the other concept.
If mickey mouse tells me that 2+2 is 4, but a scientist says it is 3 + I should believe him?
NO I should look at the research, because the RESEARCH is what is to be examined, NOT the person. I have examined the RESEARCH and it works, and it works WELL. Ancient Hebrew as we presently have it does not.
An except for you from the Young's Literal Translation:

LAX RENDERINGS OF THE KING JAMES
The word Nathan, meaning ...to give has been translated as the following:
to add, apply, appoint, ascribe, assign, bestow, bring, bring forth ,cast, cause, charge, commit, consider, count, deliver, deliver up, direct, distribute, fasten, frame, give, give forth, give over, give up, grant, hang, hang up, lay, lay to charge, lay up, leave, lend, let, let out, lift up, make, OH THAT, occupy, offer, ordain, pay, perform, place, pour, print, put, put forth, recompense, render, requite, restore, send, send out, set, set forth, shew, shoot forth, shoot up, strike, suffer, thrust, trade, turn, utter, WOULD GOD, yield,
plus 17 varieties in idiomatic renderings equaling 84

THAT is the system that you think works? That system is so broken and convoluted that most experts need books just to translate. You don't need that for Greek.

Now we have some people who claim to have found a system so simple that each letter is a word, and that they combine to form a description, which tells us what the word means.
They have shown this in the RESEARCH, and I wouldn't care if they were morons, if the research is sound.
The bible says this is the language of origin.
That is what I expect from the language of the Gods.
Complex unworkable rules, that is what I expect from man.
Now either the Research stands or it doesn't.
I have examined it...it works

Originally posted by shoulda taken the blue piSo you are saying, credentials are necessary for truth, or there is no truth?

What I am saying is --- Before you read anything online and consider it to be truthful, question who, what, and where that information is coming from. Someone who has studied something as an authority in a field of study is much more truthful than some hobbyist just shooting the bull.