UFO Crash Caught on Video in New Mexico

Well to tell you the truth i think this guy is full of crap. If he has seen this video from take off to crash than he is the only one I have heard of who has seen this. Not to add how many Hours I spend watching Discovery and never seen this show. Furthermore If this guy has seen this show simply Order a copy of this show. I will pay him triple what it costs him for a copy of this. I would love to debunk this video once and for all But to tell you the truth. I just don't believe it is a rocket till i see it . I have never for the life of me seen anything glow, less it was descending from orbit. And the fact is It does much more of a BOUNCE than a Skipp and if you go to my site and look at my frame by frame you can see all sorts of dirt flying up with it. Bottom line this thing takes a face plant into dirt and Bounces back into flight. Also I do NOT see a jet trail. I do see a faint heat trail But I believe that to be caused from the Glowing heat of the object itself.


jin@ www.truthufo.com


[edit on 4-9-2004 by jin]

SethJaneRob said:You seem to be the only one that claims that there's another portion of this film that show it as a rocket taking off from a base.

Sorry to spoil your fun but there is

Jin said:Well to tell you the truth i think this guy is full of crap. If he has seen this video from take off to crash than he is the only one I have heard of who has seen this. Not to add how many Hours I spend watching Discovery and never seen this show. Furthermore If this guy has seen this show simply Order a copy of this show. I will pay him triple what it costs him for a copy of this. I would love to debunk this video once and for all But to tell you the truth. I just don't believe it is a rocket till i see it . I have never for the life of me seen anything glow, less it was descending from orbit. And the fact is It does much more of a BOUNCE than a Skipp and if you go to my site and look at my frame by frame you can see all sorts of dirt flying up with it. Bottom line this thing takes a face plant into dirt and Bounces back into flight. Also I do NOT see a jet trail. I do see a faint heat trail But I believe that to be caused from the Glowing heat of the object itself.

Well thats your opinion, and I feel sorry for you that you don't even know that you don't even know. But it don't make me wrong. The bright glow is the rocket flame....of course the dirt is gonna be thrown up, how much thrust do you think a rocket produces? Whether you believe me or not...I couldn't really care less. If I wanted to mis-inform you, I would of said something like: 'Yeah it's a Zeta Reticulian reptilian back engineered UFO....you know the ones, the type that are crashing in the desert all the time."
If by being the only guy that has seen the complete footage makes me a minority of one, then so be it....gotta start somewhere. Somebody else will turn up with the complete footage, and you will end up looking like a goose.
Funny how the more bizzare and out there the claim is, the more likely people are to believe it. Case in point the Jesus paintings. When were those paintings painted? At the time of Christ or over a thousand years later? Is it a UFO or a comet? But hey....don't let me spoil your fantasy for you. As 4 me buying the footage....from where?...and why would I bother?, I've already seen it. You can ridicule and doubt me all you want to....it's just water off a ducks back...OK, you can put your head back in the sand now.

I think the bizzare part here is nobody has this so called FULL VIDEO.
I know how to search for this stuff and have not come close to finding any video showing a rocket launch and go into what we have in this clip.
Show me this video in full and I would be more than happy to say DOH! guess I was fooled.

No rocket proof,no end of story PERIOD!

[edit on 5-9-2004 by SMR]

Originally posted by Zero Point

SethJaneRob said:You seem to be the only one that claims that there's another portion of this film that show it as a rocket taking off from a base.

Sorry to spoil your fun but there is

Jin said:Well to tell you the truth i think this guy is full of crap. If he has seen this video from take off to crash than he is the only one I have heard of who has seen this. Not to add how many Hours I spend watching Discovery and never seen this show. Furthermore If this guy has seen this show simply Order a copy of this show. I will pay him triple what it costs him for a copy of this. I would love to debunk this video once and for all But to tell you the truth. I just don't believe it is a rocket till i see it . I have never for the life of me seen anything glow, less it was descending from orbit. And the fact is It does much more of a BOUNCE than a Skipp and if you go to my site and look at my frame by frame you can see all sorts of dirt flying up with it. Bottom line this thing takes a face plant into dirt and Bounces back into flight. Also I do NOT see a jet trail. I do see a faint heat trail But I believe that to be caused from the Glowing heat of the object itself.

Well thats your opinion, and I feel sorry for you that you don't even know that you don't even know. But it don't make me wrong. The bright glow is the rocket flame....of course the dirt is gonna be thrown up, how much thrust do you think a rocket produces? Whether you believe me or not...I couldn't really care less. If I wanted to mis-inform you, I would of said something like: 'Yeah it's a Zeta Reticulian reptilian back engineered UFO....you know the ones, the type that are crashing in the desert all the time."
If by being the only guy that has seen the complete footage makes me a minority of one, then so be it....gotta start somewhere. Somebody else will turn up with the complete footage, and you will end up looking like a goose.
Funny how the more bizzare and out there the claim is, the more likely people are to believe it. Case in point the Jesus paintings. When were those paintings painted? At the time of Christ or over a thousand years later? Is it a UFO or a comet? .

Sorry bub butt it ain't a rocket. Rocket's don't bounce!! They don't hit the ground and then bounce back up into the air. The object itself is white. I see no rocket flame. And if it is the rocket flame then where the hell is the rocket then????

When it hits the ground it looks like it explodes into a thousand pieces which all fly into the air, glowing. Very strange. The way it crashed doesn't seem consistent with any aircraft we know of crashing, however who knows what experimentl craft/ UFO's are crafted out of.

It look like a perfectly normal rocket to me.
Rocket-shaped body.
Rocket-flame behind.
A guy from NASA in the area.
This speaks for itself and so there is no mystery here.

Question for those who think it's alien;
why would aliens use human (our) technoligy in their craft? No other alien ships that I've heard about have had flames behind it. (Not talking about ufo's here but actual alien craft sightings).

Originally posted by robertfenix
I am siding more with a classified man-made super technology myself, that (could) have been reverse engineered, or indeed we posses wild crafts that meet every qualification as being identified as a UFO yet are very terrestrial in nature. Leaving you to believe that the whole subject of "aliens and ufos" is really and has always been a massive cover story for the Goverment to withold advanced leaps in science, for fear of National Security.

I like your thinking, im skeptical about the existence of aliens but i would love to believe it could be a cover up or not but we wont know till we are ready.

Seth wrote:Sorry bub butt it ain't a rocket. Rocket's don't bounce!! They don't hit the ground and then bounce back up into the air. The object itself is white. I see no rocket flame. And if it is the rocket flame then where the hell is the rocket then????

You don't know much about rockets then......seriously, why would I cause myself aggrevation, if I didn't know that it was a rocket? I'm not saying it is a rocket based on what the partial video shows, but because I've seen it from the launchpad to crash site. It's no Saturn V sized rocket, it's a bit further away than it appears (like who would stand too close to a rocket launch?), and the video above is not very hi-res to zoom in with any clarity, is it? I see people refer to the complete vid I have seen as another version, yet surely it is the original version. I first saw the same vid that everybody else has seen, in 1996, and I went ooooh...ahhhhh when I saw it too. I then saw the full thing about 1999-2000 (so it's nothing new) on something that had nothing to do with UFO's, and unfortunately the rules of this site don't allow me to repeat what I said when I realised that what I saw at the UFO symposium (which cost me money to get in the door) was not exactly what it seemed. Does the vid that y'all think is a UFO, have anybody willing to stand behind it? Or is it an anonymous offering? Whoever first edited the original into the version you now see, has done so to fool you....thats why I'm sticking to my guns...I'm not that fond of fraudsters.

SMR so kindly wrote:No rocket proof,no end of story PERIOD!

Did you read what you wrote? You said no end of story....and you'd be correct ...it's not the end of the story...Have you put the book in the fridge b4 actually finishing it?


[edit on 5-9-2004 by Zero Point]

Originally posted by Zero Point

Seth wrote:Sorry bub butt it ain't a rocket. Rocket's don't bounce!! They don't hit the ground and then bounce back up into the air. The object itself is white. I see no rocket flame. And if it is the rocket flame then where the hell is the rocket then????

You don't know much about rockets then...

...seriously, why would I cause myself aggrevation, if I didn't know that it was a rocket? I'm not saying it is a rocket based on what the partial video shows, but because I've seen it from the launchpad to crash site. It's no Saturn V sized rocket, it's a bit further away than it appears (like who would stand too close to a rocket launch?), and the video above is not very hi-res to zoom in with any clarity, is it? I see people refer to the complete vid I have seen as another version, yet surely it is the original version. I first saw the same vid that everybody else has seen, in 1996, and I went ooooh...ahhhhh when I saw it too. I then saw the full thing about 1999-2000 (so it's nothing new) on something that had nothing to do with UFO's, and unfortunately the rules of this site don't allow me to repeat what I said when I realised that what I saw at the UFO symposium (which cost me money to get in the door) was not exactly what it seemed. Does the vid that y'all think is a UFO, have anybody willing to stand behind it? Or is it an anonymous offering? Whoever first edited the original into the version you now see, has done so to fool you....thats why I'm sticking to my guns...I'm not that fond of fraudsters.

SMR so kindly wrote:No rocket proof,no end of story PERIOD!

Did you read what you wrote? You said no end of story

....and you'd be correct ...it's not the end of the story

...Have you put the book in the fridge b4 actually finishing it?


[edit on 5-9-2004 by Zero Point]

Whateva

seth says:Whateva

Genius comeback Seth, you really know how to hammer your point home.

You know I have seen a LOT of rocket tests in my time. Many many kinds of rockets and f-16 crashes and tests. Rockets don't even explode like this object.. WRONG it is not shaped like any rocket I have ever seen, the red glow is totally B.S. That any rocket glows like that ANY ROCKET you name it pal. And about the final impact, it does not even look like a Rocket exploding .. I have seen many rockets explode pal.. And Like the guy above said I will add the same thing. I as well am very good at searching down videos, especially discovery channel videos and I cant seem to find this one hmmm. And about the people who think we are not "ready to know about them" and all that panty as$ babble,, yea the public is not ready but then again the public is just the mass of stupidity that smart people use to control there thoughts!!mr we are not ready
Seriously people I am very up on ufology and one thing i can say for sure is there is a secret government of the united states and it does hide the facts about alien existence, bottom line!! And about the painting of Jesus,, well Truth is it as much as you would like it to it does not matter how old it is because the FACTS are there are many many UFO sightings in the Bible , hell there is a pregnant virgin in the bible, in which her man John has a sighting nights before the conception of Christ.. Everybody knows that moses led his people through the parting of the red seas but how many of these idiots bring up the fact that they where lead by a pillar of a cloud of smoke by day and a pillar of a cloud of fire by night??hmmm theres your ffen rocket pall, you tell me !! Nearing the days of Rome what did a pillar look like?? And hmm don't rockets look like a piller? Don't rockets make a cloud by day fire by night??? Hmmm ??? is something strange here?? or are we really that queer for looking further into this video, And we will not just debunk this video because one man says so.. I would like to.. i dont care, prove it real fake, dont matter just bump another one down..
Mr Ive seen the video you know seems you really care about this topic, you sure post here a lot,, sure seems like you want us to know the truth as do we all. So as appose to being a jerk and foaming out your mouth about how dumb we are for seriously analyzing a video such as this one,, maybe you could find a damn copy of the video you saw and Help UFOlogy a bit??? And you say some jerk cut this part out of the full film and tried to make hype out of it,, well please do us all a favor .. But as far as looking like a fool. Well like i said if this is a rocket crash it is the very first to ever look like this one.. I promise you I have seen at least 100 rocket test and crashes and never seen a thing like this. So how can you foam at your japing jaw and expect us to just assume its a rocket right away because it looks like sooooo many rocket crashes right?????
Get a grip , do something to help UFOlogy or stay the hell out of it.. Thanks for the 2 cents pal

jin

Jesus Jin that was quite a rant and a half Maybe you need to look a little more on Discovery channel videos. It was a show about X-planes and rockets, probably episode 300...they've made quite a few. No I don't really care much about this subject at all, it's just while y'all goose about with your heads up ya a$$, I've seen the full thing. I can't wait to hear you thoughts when the original turns up. You seem a little too eager to believe in fairytales...pal..
The motto of the site is to deny ignorance, yet you seem to buy 100% into ignorance....it's a rocket...pal

Jin in his masterly command of logic wrote: Get a grip , do something to help UFOlogy or stay the hell out of it.. Thanks for the 2 cents pal

This has nothing to do with UFOlogy you nut, it's just a rocket... UFOlogy...kinda sounds like a psuedo religion don't it?
Perpetuating hoaxes does UFOlogy no favours at all, and thru your ignorance, you are giving this hoax legs. (appologies to the person who kicked off this thread, I'm not saying that you are originator of the hoax....it's quite an old video)

[edit on 6-9-2004 by Zero Point]

ZERO,
Not sure what you meant when you quoted me,but it seems to me that you mock everyone who isnt agreeing with you.
Im not trying to call you out or anything,but it seems like your trying to irritate with a little sarcasm.

quote:
SMR so kindly wrote:
quote:
Jin in his masterly command of logic wrote:

And also the mass in most posts.
Maybe I am wrong here,but this is the way I am seeing it.Maybe not rude,but definitely you think what others are writing is a joke to you because thier opinion is different than yours.

To get on the subject.Where is this FULL ENTIRE video of this rocket from launch pad to the crash we see.
So far the ONLY video we have seen is the one on the front post.We are hearing of this full video PROOVING it is a rocket,but where is it?
Kindly post so we can fully debunk this.So far the talk of this full video is hear-say.
That is all I am asking.Show me the rocket LAUNCHING and CRASHING as in the clip we have seen and we can put this to rest.Simple as that.

Not sure what you meant when you quoted me,but it seems to me that you mock everyone who isnt agreeing with you.

I'm not mocking you for not believing me, it has nothing to do with belief.
I saw the damn show on TV 4 years ago, not as an mpeg on the internet, so I have no recording of it....but believe me I am hunting for it. You won't find it under the category of UFO's, because it's source has nothing to do with UFOs. That is why I may sound a little sarcastic, you are telling me that I did not see what I saw, even though you have not even seen what I saw for yourself.
I don't see many people saying 'show me the proof it's a ufo'. Ask yourself, why is there nothing that the camera filmed before or after this little sequence shown. Have a closer look at the course the rocket is taking before it kisses the ground the first time. 'Where is the rocket, where is the rocket' they hysterically scream.....how far away do you think it is? How big do you think the rocket is? How low quality is this grainy version? Just because I KNOW this is no UFO, doesn't mean I think all UFOs are bunk (in further reply to Jins reasoning on UFOlogy). Christ, in days gone by it was the UFO crowd that needed conclusive proof, now it seems those not willing to participate in the fairytale are the only ones who need the proof. When the full vid turns up to vindicate what I have been saying, I will expect some serious a$$ kissing from the doubting Thomas community......nah just kidding...you will feel slightly stink about it though...but I won't hold it against you.
If my perceived rudeness offends you, well, theres not much I can do about that. Look at the post at the top of this page...was I offended? No I just laughed....cause I know in this instance I am correct. This UFO vid has been edited from something that has nothing to do with UFOs.

[edit on 7-9-2004 by Zero Point]

I wasnt trying to say you are an a$$ or anything.I was just a bit puzzled at your posts and the way they were put.
Also,Im not saying you didnt see it,I was just saying nobody but you (that I can recall) has seen this full video.
Basically I wasnt saying you are a lier.I just wanted to see the full video.
You say they are asking where is the rocket in this,,,,,in the video clip I have seen and others I have seen trying to get *more footage* I dont have any audio.Is this correct?Maybe I have nor been so lucky to get the one with audio.


Again,not calling you a lier or a jerk,was just telling it like I saw it and I apologize if I am wrong.
I just want to see this full video so for myself,and others,we can put this to rest.
I have tried torrents and all the UFO stuff I have DL,only a few have had this clip in it but they are like 5 seconds.

Also,Im not saying you didnt see it,I was just saying nobody but you (

Me and the thousands of others that were watching the same channel that day in New Zealand.....which gives me a thought....I shall fish around some NZ media sites, maybe somebody will have seen it. Come to think of it, I might not have seen it on Discovery, I might have seen it on TV3..???..I think it had a segment near the end about Aurora and the speculation of it's design and it reminded me of a Nike shoe...damn it's times like these where hypno regression would come in handy.

One thing I would like to remind everybody about UFOs , is they started back in the Bible. Does everybody remember hearing about the times when "God use to talk to people" I'm sure all us Christians heard this story growing up as a child. I think most of us assume God spoke to these peoples Minds. But today who speaks to peoples Minds Just after being snatched up by a disc shaped Object that again Spoke to our mind. Does anybody recall a part in the Fire Officers Guide to disaster control, That states Upon the arrival of the scene of a crash sight one may receive psychic distress messages or attacks??

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It is very funny that the pentagon reacts to UFOs as 100% Hype not a matter of national security, Yet in the Fire marshals Guide to disaster control They say UFOs are a very real threat to NS??@#$% I smell some Bull shiznat here people ..

I just started a page on These Orange Orbs check it out!!
www.truthufo.com...

Here you will see really cool History On UFO or discs and Big heads!!
www.alien-ufo-pictures.com...

A good page I did on the Very Long History of Cattle Mutilation
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Here is the best site On earth for UFOs in art History. You really GOTTA check this site out if any !!!
www.ufoartwork.com

Bare in mind, If our government Did know for a fact that UFOs and aliens where the answer to our Sightings from the Bible do you think Christians would buy that Jesus was artificially conceived?? Or don't you think that would start a huge fight among the religious communities and our own Government?? Shoot its all my grandmother can do to not have a stroke at the thought of Aliens creating Jesus.. Must think deeply into the reason for secretary.

Another valid Point I would like to make is about. "US Air force pilot Lieutenant Armstrong witnessed six discs flying in formation. 1947, USA, Mount Rainier" I would like to bring up a very Important fact about the credibility of someone of Military. It goes like this.. This man Lieutenant Armstrong, Started the UFO Hype. It took off from there. This story is very important to Ufology because this is where Most people think it started. Even though it didn't , It started in the Biblical days, But onto that later..

For now say it started with Lieutenant Armstrong. Now the question is, what did he see out there? Well I recently saw a show where they took the same exact plane and flew the same path at the same time of year and day to try to get the exact scenario at hand.. They showed Blip reflections In the glass dome of the plane right on the camera. Looked like disc shapes, and of course they said "this had to be what he saw"..
Logical I ask ?? Maybe so.. But,, As I my self watch the Blips on tv, they look like disc to me but they very quickly vanish.. And one could not possibly pace with them.. I am no Lieutenant for the USAF and I my self can see they are nothing but reflections.. Mind you, this is one of the first UFO encounters, so It was not like today. Everyone and there brother call UFO on anything they see in the sky. This is Before Twilight zone and all the Alien Hype.
Now I have a discovery show or history show I don't recall. But this ufologist scientist man in Nevada has a famous UFO hat. Kind of funny deal his hat is about 3 feet across and has about 8 orange lights around it. He takes his hat out in the desert by a remote road and turns it on about dusk.. This car drives by,, Slows down , backs up really slow, Then hits the skids and burns off outa there like a bat outa hell!!! Now the man waring the hat is in charge or taking all the UFO sightings in the aria so later that week he gets a call about his hat, Only the guy saw a 20 foot UFO that chased him!!! See this man wanted to know the variations of a story, how much it changes from the time of encounter to time of tail. And yes they totally get hyped and add to the fish size for sure.
The question is, did Lieutenant Armstrong see small Blips and Get all Hyped.. The following information will also cover the question of did General Thomas Jefferson Dubose "The Highest ranking Air Force Officer With Direct Knowledge of the roswell case" Also see a weather balloon and Get all jazzed???
I think you all need to watch some of the Navy seal training methods on Discovery to understand. I recall watching them keep the guys up all night , make them do a million situps and paddle head on into 8 foot waves, then when they get back to shore its GET SANDY NOW!!!! And the guy throws his body into the sand, rolls around in it, and misses a small spot on his face. So now the drill yells I SAID GET SANDY NOW DROP AND GIVE ME 200 AND GET FFEN SANDY!!! He almost kicks his out of seal training over getting sandy then he stands and explains to the man. When I say get sandy It is more important than you can imagine, because it is "ATTENTION TO DETAIL" And it could cost or save many lives!!
This is what people need to think about when they deal with Military personnel. This is not some jerk driving through the desert of Nevada describing a 20 foot UFO after seeing a hat. These are Military men who could make one small mistake in there attention to detail and get an entire platoon killed!! Especially when your dealing with a man who is in charge of several men who have jet airplanes and Bombers with BOMBS on them, These men could kill Hundreds of thousands without good attention to detail. So Knowing this do you really thing these men could be Blowing this out of proportion??
I think You could count on the stories of these men with your LIFE, as do many many good Americans . If you , Your self don't think you can trust the accounts of these men, than for god sake why the hell would you sit back and allow these men to be in charge of such serious weapons?
I will fill you in on another little secret, Uncle sam knows how he trains his men, Uncle sam knows that these men just don't go around blowing stories out of proportion like this.. Our Government took these stories very very seriously! And I think you should to!!

jin





[edit on 11-9-2004 by jin]

[edit on 12-9-2004 by jin]

13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: 13:22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: 14:20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night. 14:24 And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, 14:25 And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 16:10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 24:15 And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. 24:18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 33:9 And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses. 33:10 And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door. 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 40:35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 40:36 And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys: 40:37 But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up. 40:38 For the cloud of the LORD was upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.

Ill be posting a page on my site under Investigation soon with lots more UFO scripture

jin

[edit on 8-9-2004 by jin]

I have looked high and low for this 'FULL' video and still a coming up empty handed.
I guess we can only hope that Zero Point can find it.

Watched the video clip. It definitely wasn't an aircraft of conventional means.

After the initial contact with the ground, it angled skyward and seemed to accelerate, again losing control and altitude, crashed into the ground, disintegrating.

Where is the debris?

It is quite possible it was a government "black project".

I found this one link that lists many links concerning anti-gravity studies:
www.members.tripod.com...

I found it very informative of research being conducted in anti-gravirty and advanced propulsion systems.

Just got to take into consideration, all information in these links are materials available to the general pubic.