AIDS is a man made virus !

Originally posted by dietsamcola
Well if aids was meant for population control, it's not doing a very good job.

6 billion people on the planet

33 million people living with aids

2 million people die of aids each year

Not exactly thinning the herd. Additionally, the majority of these deaths are in poor countries. Aids is much less prevalent in developed countries like America.

AIDS is only one method of population control. Add the other few hundred methods and those numbers go up quickly. These people are sinister.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by alysha.angel

 

If AIDS was manmade would they not have made a better job of it, I mean would it not have made sense to make it immune to anti-retrovirus drugs, they could have made something much better.

No if the original intention was to profit over the disease and do just a "soft" population control while targeting specific groups like homosexuals and really poor people without much education in poor under-developed regions.

With that in mind, a blood and sexually transmitted disease would be perfect. It would force people with education to use condoms, thus reduce the number of people getting laid without any protection which consequently would reduce the number of pregnancies to some extent and directly target people with no education and within a certain demographics that today we know as "risk groups" like gays, drug users, etc.

If it's true I don't know, but that AIDS is a diabolical disease is a fact, no matter from where it came.

I have to say that even though I find a bit curious that most of these diseases first show up in Africa and that whole story about AIDS coming from monkeys a bit flaky. I believe that not even the "experts" truly understand this disease thus setting it's origin in nature.

If you stop to think nature knows exactly how to balance it self. There is a limited number of "primal matter" on this planet to form bodies and all the other depencies, and without some sort of control things would simply go off-scale and life wouldn't be possible at all.

Alot of people i know have always said this,

[edit on 3-8-2010 by SwissPort905v2]

reply to post by Danbones


Yes... he was. That doesn't nullify his previous research on Gallo and HIV development, nor the fact that it made it into the justice system before being washed under.
100 bad mistakes, corruption or whatever, will not negate a job well done prior too.
As a side note, look at how the establishment tried to discredit Horowitz prior to the publication, during the testimony and after the investigation.
Is it possible that they finally succeeded?

reply to post by kevinunknown


Make something better? look at the death toll you **** ... whatever, back to post.. it breaks down our immune system just like all the other hazard stuff we inhale, like cigarettes and those who lives in a city.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
AIDS is not a virus, nor is it even a disease, it is a syndrome. Hence Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. AIDS has been associated with the HIV retrovirus since 1984 when Dr. Robert Gallo announced to the world that HIV was the cause of AIDS. However, the HIV=AIDS hypothesis, is just that, a hypothesis that is not even treated as a theory, but is instead treated as fact. Never mind the fact that there are people who are diagnosed with AIDS that have never tested positive for HIV.

Never mind the fact that testing positive for HIV means anti-bodies are the evidence of a "positive" testing. Never mind the fact that with virtually all other viruses the presence of anti-bodies indicates that the virus has been contained. Never mind the fact that the so called HIV virus, (in fact a retrovirus), does not act like any other virus or retrovirus known to humanity. Never mind the fact that prior to Robert Gallo advocating HIV as the source of AIDS, he was advocating HIV as the source for a form of leukemia, which is a cancer of the blood, and never mind the fact that cancer is fairly well accepted as being an acceleration of cells, now HIV is considered to deplete cells. Never mind all the valid questions that come with the advocacy of HIV=AIDS paradigm, today the zeitgeist declares it so, so now AIDS is commonly spoken of as if it is a virus. Never mind.

Best statement i have read in this thread!

Really, there are very interesting subjects in this AIDS/HIV debate.
For example have a look into how a virus has to be confirmed and catalogized by the UN-WHO! There is a sample AND a photo from the virus needed to be declared as existant disease source!
The most viruses are sampled and photographed within few weeks after the discovery...
BUT the HIV NEVER has been isolated, sampled or photographed since the discovery, since more than 50 years!
HIV seems to be a very camera-shy virus...eh?
We only get some animated pictures when searching for a pic of it on the net...
Makes me wonder how the medical scientists can develop any medicine when they even cannot isolate the virus!
And another thing is the HIV test itself! As they cannot find the virus the test just searchs for a high "t-helper cell level".
T-helper cells are important for activating your immune system. Normally you have a average level of t-helper cells of 80 - 100 per cm3 blood. Now if you have got a simple cold or flu your level is surely higher.
If you go now to a HIV test you will be labeled positive!
Now your thaughts play a big role. If you are labeled positive, your world will break toghether. Your mentality will have the effort of feeling ill and you will!
Now you will be FORCED to take the AIDS drugs! If not they take your children, or make your life worse!
And then another interesting fact is that the side effects of the AIDS drugs ARE the symptoms of AIDS!
The incubation time reaches from 0 days till life end, what virus have this same total coincidently incubation time, eh?

Just my two (and more) cents!

Don´t let fool you by them!

Peace, love and light,
let u guide by higher i

Jim

[edit on 3-8-2010 by JimIrie]

Nothing much to add here other than that I've always believed AIDS to be manmade.

"AIDS is a man made virus !"

What about replacing that "is" with "could/may be", because, face it - you don't offer any (scientific) proof about your claims.

I gave up on ATS a long time ago, and in those rare occasions I come here, what do I see?
It's getting worse...

Yeah....... Every single thing that is harmful to humans is a secret conspiracy project aimed at killing populations. Even Aids. We all (who are still sane) know it was born when human and chimp had sex.

I'm worried about people who love to believe in silly conspiracies.

reply to post by Vicodin


Well, yes they could have made something much better. Something more deadly, more efficient, and more controllable such as small pox, that is one of the reasons I don’t think it is manmade.

for those who have requested photos of the virus s them selvs i thought to add one of each ...



here is the HIV virus .




here is one of the aids virus or whatever you people like to call it .

reply to post by Retorque

I've listened to several interviews with Duesberg and Horowitz and the info I have posted shows Horowitz's accusation against Duesberg were just plain wrong...as proved by the fraud in Gallos work.

I have spent some time on some of Horowitz's work vis a vis vibration but I'll judge the work there not he man. However his accusatory style will always throw up a red flag now.

reply to post by kevinunknown


its not strong enough to be considered to be manmade or good enough ??

reply to post by alysha.angel


those are not pictures,
just art work

reply to post by Vicodin


Well no if we are going to hypothesise that it was created to reduce the human population then no it’s not good enough, they could have made something much more effective.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Vicodin

 

Well no if we are going to hypothesise that it was created to reduce the human population then no it’s not good enough, they could have made something much more effective.

No, instead they create a virus that's a death warrant for the first few decades. Nowadays, it's not a death sentence indeed, instead, you will be depending on VERY expensive medicine for the rest of your life.

2 flies in 1 shot, enough still die from the effects of the virus and in the meantime big pharma makes billions.

reply to post by Romekje



It always amazes me how people on ATS will believe any conspiracy without first establishing the facts for themselves. Let’s look at what you’re saying. Basically it was created by the government so that they could reduce the population (what they aren’t) and the reasons the have prolonged it as a disease is because the pharmaceutical companies can sell drugs for millions.

the problem is that in the UK it’s the government that pays for this medication and in America I think i am right in saying that its paid for through the media care system. For your conspiracy to work then everybody and i mean everybody in the pharmaceutical industry would have to be in on it in some way. Allot of people working in government would have to be involved as well. Then we have all those health professionals that have to be involved, and the educational establishments that teach all these people. So many people would have to be in on it that it could not work, all these people would also probably have to be paid.

Nice idea, total rubbish.


[edit on 3-8-2010 by kevinunknown]

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Romekje

 

It always amazes me how people on ATS will believe any conspiracy without first establishing the facts for themselves. Let’s look at what you’re saying. Basically it was created by the government so that they could reduce the population (what they aren’t) and the reasons the have prolonged it as a disease is because the pharmaceutical companies can sell drugs for millions.

the problem is that in the UK it’s the government that pays for this medication and in America I think i am right in saying that its paid for through the media care system. For your conspiracy to work then everybody and i mean everybody in the pharmaceutical industry would have to be in on it in some way. Allot of people working in government would have to be involved as well. Then we have all those health professionals that have to be involved, and the educational establishments that teach all these people. So many people would have to be in on it that it could not work, all these people would also probably have to be paid.

Nice idea, total rubbish.


[edit on 3-8-2010 by kevinunknown]

+1

This is crossing the limit in my opinion. It's annoying.

People with HIV and AIDS are being treated "by the evil government" if you will, and expensively.

If someone thinks AIDS is a bio weapon meant to take down population numbers... why do you take down population levels if not for economical reasons.

There would definitely be easier and more effective ways to prevent population growth.

End of debate.

At least if these people said it was meant to take dirty population down (drug people, prostitution business, poor countries, etc) it would make more sense.

How can millions of deaths a year not be effective?If it was too effective they wouldn't be able to control it.

And like someone said,if you add all the other diseases that kill people you could be looking at about a billion people a year dying.

-Cancer 10 million people.
-Aids 2.3 million people.
-Tuberculosis, 1.5 million people.
-Malaria, 1.1 million people.
-Measles, which results in about 900,000 deaths worldwide.

To name a few.

Now if you had a thousand different virus's that killed a million people a year,that would be a billion deaths a year.

Think of how many people there would be if there were no virus's.

How is it that,if we were supposedly created by "chance",how is it that these virus's,that always seem to pop up out of no where,know exactly how to attack the human body?

reply to post by Bottom


You must not have given up entirely...Because look where WE are at. Had you given up, you wouldn't have received this reply.

Just an observation.