NEA: Let's celebrate communism!

Originally posted by Erasurehead

Originally posted by SaturnFX
A perfect communism would be great...

but then again, a perfect beneviolent anything would work great.

Alas, the human factor always screws things up.

Yea wouldn't it be great if we were all mindless drones incapable of individual thought? We could be a collective like the bees, all serving for the common good of the hive.

Communism doesn't work because we are free thinking individuals. We are not worker bees. Some humans work harder than others and thus deserve more then people that choose to be lazy and not work towards better their situation. Nothing wrong with that. People are free to choose their destiny either way. Dividing everything equally in an unequal will never work.

Thank you for backing up my point
Communism...or any other pure form of government works fine so long as those underneath are mindless drones (aka, the human factor screws things up).

I didn't see the point in furthering that general explanation due to the obviousness of the nature...clearly you felt the need to, so cheers

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Yes but I am job searching, have no income but child support, I get clothes at the thrift shop but I rejoice because to be poor and humble is to imitate Christ. I care nothing about the rich and their toys.

True happiness and joy come from God alone. I hear birds singing, I thank God, I found a small preying mantis the other day and I praise and thank God for his glory in the created world and the Natural Laws that all of creationand all nature follow.

Humans get into trouble when they break these natural laws that are so apparent in the world.

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Yes I was agreeing with you.
Thanks.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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Duh. I said theory.

Duh, Nice one line post.
Just pointing out that the theory doesn't apply in real life.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Erasurehead

Originally posted by SaturnFX
A perfect communism would be great...

but then again, a perfect beneviolent anything would work great.

Alas, the human factor always screws things up.

Yea wouldn't it be great if we were all mindless drones incapable of individual thought? We could be a collective like the bees, all serving for the common good of the hive.

Communism doesn't work because we are free thinking individuals. We are not worker bees. Some humans work harder than others and thus deserve more then people that choose to be lazy and not work towards better their situation. Nothing wrong with that. People are free to choose their destiny either way. Dividing everything equally in an unequal will never work.

Your post makes no sense. Capitalism creates drones, communism is the concept of a commune on a national level; so in other words the work you do in communism actually has a purpose other than filling in the empty sense of purpose with empty things like how life is in the Western world. Realistically, the only way you can control someone is by weakening their sense of purpose, and the American lead system masters at doing this subversively.

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Report me. lmao

I was addressing theory, which I thought Sat was too but apparently not.

As for the article in the OP, the actual POINT of this topic...stupid headline and twisted interpretation of what was actually on the page. That's about the sum of it.

But carrying on discussing communism

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Thanks, and you carry on with your pseudo-intellectual, holier than thou attitude.

Discussing communism is very much on topic.

Originally posted by kevinunknown
Why should the not celebrate communism it is a fantastic idea in theory, granted it doesn’t work so well in practices. It is also the source of some excellent, if at times brutal, history. Communism should be taught in school’s along with other political ideologies.

I know. People don't like to share. My sister was like that as a child no matter how my mother tried to teach her sharing is not usually a ones sided venture and if you share yours with them they will share what they have with you.

One guy grows apples and the other grows pears. Unless there is community among them the one will never eat an apple and the other will never eat a pear. Sharing only works when the people like each other and are cooperative by nature.

I'd like to see some sort of a Communal Capitalism where we make logical choices, decide what we need and make sure those needs are met and the services are available and affordable.
What we have now makes some of life's most basic necessities, inaccessible to many people. It needs to be made fair. So don't call it Communism- call it affirmative action government.

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Utilitarianism is the ideal you speak of, basically meaning live to do things that ultimately provide you with happiness. This is, essentially, also the purist form of leftest ideals, ie Communism. It is also the original concept of contemporary ideologies, first conceived as "freedom is as free as long as you do not interfere with another's freedom". Then money got involved.

I believe Chairman Mao holds the world's record for slaughtering innocent citizens. Close to 70 million dead. Not even Stalin achieved such 'heights' of depravity. No wonder the NEA likes him. "If only we could implement his policies here", they think. Yeah what we need now is a cultural revolution with the NEA in charge. That will fix our problems.

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Originally posted by SevenThunders
I believe Chairman Mao holds the world's record for slaughtering innocent citizens. Close to 70 million dead. Not even Stalin achieved such 'heights' of depravity. No wonder the NEA likes him. "If only we could implement his policies here", they think. Yeah what we need now is a cultural revolution with the NEA in charge. That will fix our problems.

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You can spin it anyway you please. Revolution requires sacrifice and if China did not believe in their revolution then it would still be under imperialist rule, assuming they did not spend the last 60 years in a state of civil war (or divided up or conquered by other powers like Russia or Japan).

Wanna know why the current US nation will never undergo communist revolution? Part of the reason is that the population would crumble with so many people used to living off of other people, as opposed to living off themselves. The population loss ratio during a revolution is entirely dependent on the ideals and capability of the people, and China pulled through.

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A true communist country wouldn't have a government. We haven't seen that, we just see the idea get perverted into totalitarian rule. The image of communism and socialism have been tarnished by these oppressive regimes and by western propaganda.

Originally posted by MrAndy
A true communist country wouldn't have a government. We haven't seen that, we just see the idea get perverted into totalitarian rule. The image of communism and socialism have been tarnished by these oppressive regimes and by western propaganda.

That's wrong too. A true communist country requires a central committee to regulate and maintain the entire country. A country without a government is anarchist. But make no mistake, anarchism exists well within the depths of the American government too in the sense that some elements don't care whatsoever about the rules set in place and they end up screwing things up for everyone else, this being called "neo-liberal policies".

The only problem with communism in history is human nature. There's only so many humans in this world who cannot be corrupted, and naturally a large empire like the USSR would have corruption on all levels simply because of its large size, large population, and foreign influence (aka black ops) that are always in effect no matter what country you are.

However in my personal opinion of researching proven examples of communism vs capitalism, I will always see communism as achieving much more. Communist countries care about social development of the entire population and research heavily into things that are beneficial; Capitalist countries are almost always controlled by the rich elite who live without worry while deluding their people, the very people who spend their entire lives to support the rich lives of a few, into believing that no matter how poor you are now you can become rich and live without worry too if you work hard... but it's still a lie that millions hold on to.

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What???!!! Did I just read that? Did you just justify the slaughter of 100 million people in order to create an unrealizable communist utopia? Some things never change.

Let me explain why communism is an abject failure and always will be until the return of the Lord. It fails because it is based on a false assumption. This assumption is that mankind can be perfected by their own efforts. ie that man can wipe away his flaws through mere human effort.

Now compare that thinking with what the Bible says, Jer. 17:9

The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

In other words, the sin problem is incurable. Look around at the world, do you see any perfect societies, without any injustice? I think the Bible is proven correct in this.

Capitalism is based on the more correct pessimistic assumption, namely that greed and self interest will drive people to create better products and services. Better products and services, as a side effect, improve the general welfare of all citizens. It's quite clever actually. Harness the incurable evil to produce some measure of good.

By contrast, when operating under the false assumption that there exists a perfected man, who could justly administer the central perogatives of the all encompassing state, we instead get paranoid tyrants ready to slaughter the innocent. The utopian dreamers will always produce Hitlers, Stalins and Maos. Indeed the mistake will be repeated on a grand scale when the antichrist rises to power.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
The utopian dreamers will always produce Hitlers, Stalins and Maos. Indeed the mistake will be repeated on a grand scale when the antichrist rises to power.

HAHA, you're funny.

Unless you're German, Russian, or Chinese, then you probably would never be even close to comprehending why such people like Hitler, Stalin and Mao were given leadership. You see them as evil, but this is because you are blind and you only listen to what you want to hear about them.

When you started mentioning the "second coming of the lord", I failed to see any of your credibility. To understand what the anti-Christ is, you need to understand who Jesus really was. He was no God or Angel, just a man who lead not by popular vote, but by example. The anti-Christ will be the same.

Please, do not lecture me on sin for I have studied and experienced the seven deadly sins for myself because in order for me to speak credibly on this issue, I would rather speak with real experience then by words that I've read out of such an old and horribly misunderstood book as the bible.