Economic World War: Technocratic Plutocrat Elites vs. The People (visual aid overload)

Politically, communism and fascism are nearly indistinguishable.

Economically, there is a potential wide margin of difference between economic capitalism and communism. No trade makes it pretty clear. Tax us to death when we try to trade, under a system of cronyism and central economic planning there's goes the rest of the difference.

The problems begin the bigger the system gets. In a village there's hardly any need for 'capitalism', within the village, that is small enough everyone is like a family. They can trade with other villages... but the bigger the system gets the more you need mechanisms for commerce... then someone says lets make half a continent (of disconnected and differing people) 'socialist' ... in an increasing complex world... and now we're supposed to assume it can work because a village of 10 people out in the remote woods don't need paper dollars to survive.

The bigger a system gets the more complex and inefficient it gets. So the 'solution': lets make a GLOBAL government woo yeah!!

Then we have multinational corporations, including banks. Symbiotically connected to one another. Globally. Ok, they might give us more wiggle room than if a communist system were centrally dictating teh global banking scheme, but over a long enough timeline, with either group of oligarchs, everyone gets screwed. They build some nice palaces in Moscow, and in D.C.

The world needs smaller governments. No multinational corporations. No central economic planners. Period. Bring back the City-State Model?

Originally posted by DangerDeath

Originally posted by mordant1
reply to post by DangerDeath

 

You love to oversimplify and polish off the rough edges of reality for your premises, but nature doesnt do that.
And read mellville? What can I learn about reality reading freshman fiction? I already got 4 degrees.
Oh, I get it freshman logic.
No thanks, btdt, for a second or two quite some time ago....

So, you have built up your 4 degrees on learning worthless stuff? Interesting...

On the contrary I have made a nice accounting of myself on this planet given my very humble beginnings. Not perfect by any reckiining but on the balance I'd take my record of accomplishments and good deeds for humanity and self sufficiency for myself against yours any day.
"would you like cheeze with your order?"

We must change the economy : NOW !

Just #ing use those tools for a free economy !
p2pfoundation.net...

And product open source hardware : and sell it : DO what the # you want to ! but be free !

p2pfoundation.net...

p2pfoundation.net...

Roberto Verzola:

"We will call the archetype of abundance that is created when the cost of reproducing the resource approaches zero, multiplicative abundance. Goods belonging to this archetype are abundant because the means for making multiple identical copies have become so accessible and the cost of doing so has become so low, that they are easily reproduced essentially for free. This dynamic is fast becoming the driving force of 21st century economies.

To even acknowledge at all the existence of abun-dance is a huge conceptual leap for many econo-mists, whose fundamental assumptions are based on scarcity. Some economists even say that abundant goods cease to be interesting because the problem of scarcity has been solved. But if abun-dance solves the problem of scarcity, shouldn't economists devote as much time to the solution as to the problem itself? The answer should be obvious. Indeed, the study of abundance should be a major field of study, not only for economists but also for other social scientists and for physical scientists as well."


If you can produce everything with robot and IA : HUMAN BEING MUST GET SOME MONEY : SOME RESSOURCE BADE ECONOMY : OR THEY DIE : BUT THEY WILL NOT DIE I TELL YOU :

THEY WILL FIGHT !

SO get open to a new deal : NOW !

See also the venus project, ressource based economy ...

I HIGHLY SUGGEST WHO WILL READ ME : WATCH THE TECHONOMY !

techonomy.com...

In my opinion : well ... ... this is elite based economy ... give my your opinion !

reply to post by psychederic


Wow. Interesting link:
techonomy.com...

Look at those names. Now compare those names with those in this 'list':
agimanhattanproject.com...

I always like to look at new ideas, but with that cast there I can tell you without even looking at the premise it's BAD. I'm glad you showed me that tho

reply to post by psychederic


Well you sure did your bit in helping us out. You gave us a chance and if we dont take it and make it happen for you we have nobody but ourselves to blame.
We will stand by for your next decree and instructions.
Yours in servitude oh master...

Its because greed is a constant.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely - be it masses or elite.

reply to post by InspectorGadget


How about this truism:
"eensy weensy spider went up the water spout"

At what point do you stop verifying the obvious and do something substantial?

reply to post by psychederic


Wow I'm just now even seeing the full list...
techonomy.com...

Thomas Malthus (1766-1834) – the British scholar was the first true demographer, who studied population growth and the effects of famine and disease

Forced population control chieftain.

Karl Marx (1818-1883) – originator of Marxist and Communist economic theories

Needs no introduction.

Thomas Edison (1847-1931):

Freemason who screwed Nikola Tesla.

Guglielmo Marconi (1874-1937) – first developed radio

Guy who screwed Tesla out of his radio patent.

Thomas Watson (1874-1956) – early president of IBM

Central figure in the IBM & the Holocaust book. Nazi business partner.

Margaret Sanger (1879-1966) – an early advocate of methods of contraception and founder of what eventually became Planned Parenthood

Top eugenics propagandist.

John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946) – British economist who

Economist who instituted price FIXING on goods.

Stephen D. Bechtel (1900-1989)

War profiteer.

Walt Disney (1901-1966)

en.wikipedia.org...(concept)

Paul Allen – Microsoft co-founder
Bill Gates – co-founder of Microsoft and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Warren Buffett – chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, primary contributor to the Gates Foundation
Melinda Gates – co-chair of the Gates Foundation


Bono – musician and social activist

They're joking right?

Tim Berners-Lee – Inventor of the Hyper Text Markup Language (HTML) that transformed the Internet from a communications tool mainly for scientists into a conduit for multimedia expression

adam.shand.net...

John Doerr – managing partner of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers

Ray Kurzweil – artificial intelligence maven

Oh dear.

Larry Page and Sergey Brin – founders of Google
Eric Schmidt – CEO of Google, former CEO of Novell Systems, former chief technology officer at Sun Microsystems, Xerox PARC alum
Anne Wojcicki – the Stanford-educated geneticist is the founder of 23andMe, which develops tests to identify gene markers for susceptibility to particular diseases
ignoranceisfutile.wordpress.com...

George Soros – global financier, author

Ted Turner – philanthropist and former television and media impresario

Craig Venter – founder of Celera Genomics, The Institute for Genomic Research, and the J.Craig Venter Institute, which is now creating synthetic biological organisms for use in research and industry

Oprah Winfrey – television and media impresario

Mark Zuckerberg – founder and mastermind of Facebook, the leading Internet social network platform
techonomy.com...

That's one of the more complete lists of the enemies of humanity I've seen in a while

reply to post by unityemissions


Try reading Revelations for your answers to this question. One world economy and the mark of the beast 666, and there you have total control, every step they take is closer to their goal.

They are ushering in their antichrist.

reply to post by ladyarwen


Nahhh just a coincidence. Could happen to anybody, at any time.

reply to post by jcrash


we the poor should make a version of the german U-BOATS and come up from the moats. HEY, LETS PARTY DOWN.

Thank you OP for making this incredible thread.

You know, I read it all, watch the videos, absorb the information and it all makes perfect sense to me.

I am a 23 year old Australian, and I am a rare breed in my age bracket of Australians to understand and get the implications of all these irrefutable facts.
And what the future holds.

I'm not trying to pump up my own tires by saying that, truly. It's just that the majority of my friends are all still oblivious to this global phenomenon occurring. They all work either full time or part-time, one friend works casual.
I work part-time.

When I talk to these guys about all of this crap I usually get 2 reactions. The first is a glazed look in their eye like they don't care, like it won't effect them here in bulletproof Aussie economy, or I get a look that says "yeah bullsh*t."

They're going to get hit hard. They are hard working blokes my friends, they bust their balls and then love a beer on the weekend. That is their life and nothing in their eyes will change that.
I worry for them in the near future, I worry they'll be hit with depression and psychological issues when their world of money making unravels around them.

Fu*k the elitists, screw the world economy, forget about career progression in my books. The sooner I distance myself from the farce idea of making lots of money and getting ahead in this world the better off psychologically I will be when it all collapses.

I have my permaculture garden growing right now. I have stores of supplies, and I have a few select friends and family members who also grasp the situation. Tough times ahead

S+F!

Very well thought out and presented thread.

It amazes me with all the evidence out there that so many sheeple can't see what's right in front of them. I think it's going to take some huge event that will wake everybody up. After all, they might have the money and "power", but we have the masses that will one day rise up and overcome.

I always try to hope for the best in humanity and the more people like you we have, the more I truly believe we will win.

Well... I have my own opinion...

I've yet to see the question asked: with increasing computer power and quality of techniques why aren't 'we' getting better at sustainable economics?

First, there's the overall culture that we don't need such things and that any effort to bring them into the economy is an attempt to make us out to be "wimps"/"slaves of whomever." Bring on the Hummers so we can drive to the supermarket! The oil isn't running out! We aren't ruining the ecology of the planet so we don't need to cut back/go into sustainable economies/etc. "Going green" is going to do us out of a lot of jobs and will cause economic collapse.

It's hard to put up a "Let's go sustainable" in the face of a culture like that. Other countries are doing it far more successfully -- but they don't have these same attitudes.

Secondly, the "media worship" mindset. Scholars aren't valued, but wild lifestyle personalities are held up as examples to be emulated. Even when they do bad things, they're excused.

Third, the loss of creativity in American students. There's a recent report about how our creativity has been declining, and it shows on the board. How many here took time to actually write a reply instead of posting a link to something or another? Yet back when I started here (in the dark ages, when the board was very new), posters often would start a reply with a brief quote (or simply summarize) and continue with new thoughts. No one bothers to learn how things work, so they actually don't know a real development from a fake one (and many of the submitted patents show that the people proposing those have no clue about what it takes to build or power a motor... or other things.)

Within the past 3 years, linking a video (I don't watch them) is accepted as a reply. No thought needed, no analysis. Just link something you think is cool and may be somewhat relevant... and that passes for a response.

So, I blame it on cultural bias of greed, the focus on wealthy and outrageous personalities, and the overall intellectual laziness here. A number of other countries are quickly surpassing us (Japan is one) and unless there's some sort of culture and attitude change, I suspect we'll become a "second rate" nation.

That's my 2 cents' worth.

The Immortalist Technocrat - Bankster connection!

I just found this, at last:

Oracle's CEO cancels $115m gift to Harvard
Oracle Corp.'s chief executive, Larry Ellison, has pulled the plug on a planned $115 million gift to Harvard University.

Oracle spokesman Bob Wynne said Ellison canceled the gift because Lawrence H. Summers stepped down as Harvard president this month. Summers was embroiled in disputes throughout 2005. Wynne said Ellison began to reconsider his donation when it appeared that Summers would step down.

``It was really Larry Summers' brainchild and once it looked like Larry Summers was leaving, Larry Ellison reconsidered," Wynne said. ``It was Larry Ellison and Larry Summers that had initially come up with this notion."
www.boston.com...

Mr. Ellis is the true top of the food chain in the radical life extension movement, having donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the cause.

Mr. Summers was a key architect of the economic meltdown, and is in the Obama administration, as already noted.

For added fun Mr. Ellison is on that "Techonomy" page linked above with all of those other controversial names:

Larry Ellison – founder and CEO of Oracle
techonomy.com...

His favorite saying is "As long as I succeed everone else must fail":




[edit on 29-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

reply to post by Byrd


There's no doubt the masses have been dumbed down, and we can thank the corporate media machine for that... and maybe the Dept. of Education... and so on. Endless billions of dollars, for a good 100 years or so, have been spent studying humans and their weaknesses so that we can be manipulated and pandered to. 'Programmed' from children to be sport fanatic pop culture mimicking bafoons. "Idiot geniuses" is the word I use. Buy a FLASHY car that will lose value instantly, don't put that money into your property. Thing is this time they've deeply targeted even those who are a lot better with smart personal investment.

[edit on 29-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

I didn't find a link to the article -- but S&F just for the title.

Yes -- I think this is what is going on.

I do NOT think that all the "participants" are quite aware that this is what they are engaged in --- it's just the same old tricks and the same old greed for most.

But if you read "Disaster Capitalism" -- which is basically; "Never let a good disaster go un-used." You don't need to secretly CREATE a Hurricane to destroy New Orleans -- you just use the disaster at hand to enact legislation, destroy economies and allow greedy cronies to take advantage.

The perfect example of "let it fail on purpose" is BP's Gulf Destruction -- oil "spill" doesn't do it justice. The last President, hired a bunch of crooked, drug addled losers to oversee the Oil Lobbyists. It doesn't take a genius to realize that staffing up with high-paid losers who couldn't get such a sweet job anywhere else, GUARANTEED loyalty and that bad things will happen.

BP maybe doesn't realize, it's a tool for Genocide. It's merely procuring oil as cheaply and with as little care as it can for the most profit. But, since it gets NO push back by regulators, that it's lobbyists share orgies and meth with -- a broken well is inevitable. There is no self-restraint and no reward for doing so, so every company from Haliburton to BP, is going to move to the point of failure.


>>I'm not totally sold on this theory I've got going -- but Bush couldn't have ruined the company more effectively without just blowing up bombs everywhere. Obama, can't or won't move away from Bush's path -- and I don't want to get political here; this is just greed

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

TPTB aren't going to destroy countries and economic systems unless they have a replacement system in mind,Al Gore/George Soros's global ponzi scheme was obviously going to be a part of the 'new economy' as for the political system I believe a technological totalitarianism is in mind where every aspect of your life is tracked,monitored and recorded

reply to post by anglodemonicmatrix


They've got all that sorted out. Here's the technological framework:

www.planetaryskin.org...


techonomy.com...