AZ Seeks public financing for firepower and law suits

reply to post by boondock-saint


Here is the ACLU suit that names Sheriff Babeu..
azstarnet.com...

Here is how he is named as defendant:

Defendant Sheriff Paul Babeu is the County Sheriff of Pinal County, Arizona.
As such, Defendant Babeu is responsible for the enforcement of SB 1070 within Pinal County. Defendant Babeu is sued in his official capacity.

Notice the "official capacity" bit? He doesn't need to hire attorneys...the STATE OF AZ and all of it's legal resources is defending him from this suit.

He is not at risk of any "personal" liability or expense.

THIS SMELLS LIKE A MONEY GRAB.

reply to post by maybereal11



Thanks for posting the lawsuit. But they're asking for money for weapons to defend the border, not to defend this suit.

Even though you thought it was for the suit, I still think your comment on a $$$ grab is a little closer to the truth!

reply to post by maybereal11


I should see if I can find a lawyer to submit my lawsuit against the ACLU. After it is filed I will do all the work.

By my standing as a US citizen the ACLU by its actions suing the rightful enforcer of law, is making it dangerous for me.

Hmmm. Maybe we should start suing all these damn lawyer organizations.

I think it could work.

reply to post by endisnighe


Well, it's a class action lawsuit.... how many people do you need to start a class action suit in return?

Counter-suing the ACLU AND filing suit against the Feds? I think I'm likin this! I volunteer any research time you need for help on this idea!

Originally posted by ThatDGgirl
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Thanks for posting the lawsuit. But they're asking for money for weapons to defend the border, not to defend this suit.

Even though you thought it was for the suit, I still think your comment on a $$$ grab is a little closer to the truth!

From the OP ..

Legal defense fund created to support AZ border Sheriffs

A non-partisan, non-profit legal defense fund has been established
to assist Arizona county sheriffs Paul Babeu and Larry Dever defend
themselves against pro-amnesty interest groups and federal government
lawsuits filed to prevent Arizona law enforcement officials from implementing
SB 1070, Arizona's new illegal immigration law, and to explore potential
counter-litigation.

Edit to add:
From the foundations website:

Your donation through Legacy's "BorderSheriffs.com" project will be used to pay for the legal defense of SB1070 on behalf of Pinal County Sheriff Babeu, and Cochise County Sheriff Dever.

These sherrifs are at no risk of personal expense or liability...so where is this money going? If it is going to improve firepower like Fox claimed...why doies the site say nothing about it?
www.bordersheriffs.com...

I smell BS and greed. Capitalizing on a hot issue to rake in money.

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reply to post by maybereal11


I stand corrected. I think I paid more attention to the title and content of the video. That makes this SOOOO much more bogus!!

Well done. I still think finding a lawyer for a class-action suit representing the LEGAL CITIZENS of Arizona is a really good idea.

Now I have to rewatch the vid. I just remember them saying that the public was being asked for financial support without even an eyeblink.

EDIT: So, now I'm thinking that the video and the blog are quite deliberately misleading. I read the donation site and you are very correct. This is exclusively a LEGAL defense fund.

Hey Boondock, did you realize this???


[edit on 28-7-2010 by ThatDGgirl]

Originally posted by danielhanson420
out gunned in america! land of the gun! i agree with the dude above this is why you pay taxes. and if your not getting what you pay for then maybe you shoald all stop paying until they buck their idea's up. im sure if the problems as bad as its been made out to be in az then it wouldnt be that hard to convince a large portion of citizens to stop paying taxes in protest. im sure they'd soon start trying to solve the border situation when all that money stops flowing.

only one problem with this. If you dont pay, the government will just go into your bank account and take what they want anyway.

Help pay Arizona to destroy the sacred Constitution??? Are we outta our minds????

Originally posted by ThatDGgirl
reply to post by endisnighe

 

Well, it's a class action lawsuit.... how many people do you need to start a class action suit in return?

Counter-suing the ACLU AND filing suit against the Feds? I think I'm likin this! I volunteer any research time you need for help on this idea!

To countersue, you have to have been sued. You better read FRCP 11. And you had better put together a multi-million dollar war chest. And you can't just go and sue the feds. You better read the Federal Tort Claims Act, too. In fact you probably will need to go to law school if you think your going to do class certification work pro se.

reply to post by 4nsicphd


Obviously, none of THAT is going to happen. Are you an attorney? Can you recommend ANY legal action that WILL work or at least get good notice by the public at large??

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Help pay Arizona to destroy the sacred Constitution??? Are we outta our minds????

I wouldn't give that dumb state a darn dime. Knowing how ignorant things have gotten in that state the donations are probabley going to go to people like this piece of trash. tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...

Originally posted by ThatDGgirl
reply to post by 4nsicphd

 

Obviously, none of THAT is going to happen. Are you an attorney? Can you recommend ANY legal action that WILL work or at least get good notice by the public at large??

I was an attorney. Retired and different profession now. And I'm one of those helping with the lawsuits by the ACLU and others that resulted in yesterday's ruling. I'd say the fat lady has sung on 1070 so we're going to focus on Arpaio and see if we can't use him to bankrupt Maricopa County. So, no, I can't recommend a legal action that will work to do a little ethnic cleansing in Arizona. Why not just secede, form your own little Balkan state, and just require passports and entry visas for all those pesky different people. Oh, and take Texas with you.

reply to post by 4nsicphd


Don't you only have to have a lawyer file the initial brief? The rest can be done by a non british accreditation registry individual.

The hardest part of course is proving standing, correct?

One would just have to find someone injured by an illegal immigrant after this ruling.

Now, the government cannot be sued, as a case from I think it was Wisconsin decision stated that the government has no obligation to protect anyone.

But, the ACLU not being the government, has no protection from that ruling.

Now, if this could get into a civil case, and LAWYERS behind the bar were the ones being sued because of their complicit nature of not allowing citizens to protect themselves. I think an epic settlement would be reached.

Tell me, how deep are the pockets of the ACLU?

That would be one epic trial. Epic!

And I'm one of those helping with the lawsuits by the ACLU and others that resulted in yesterday's ruling. I'd say the fat lady has sung on 1070 so we're going to focus on Arpaio and see if we can't use him to bankrupt Maricopa County. So, no, I can't recommend a legal action that will work to do a little ethnic cleansing in Arizona. Why not just secede, form your own little Balkan state, and just require passports and entry visas for all those pesky different people. Oh, and take Texas with you.

reply to post by 4nsicphd



You're voluntarily admitting that your aim is to bankrupt a county in an already embattled state??? That's just astonishing.

I'm going to recap for you because it seems you missed my point entirely. This thread started out as a plea to the public to donate $$$ to what APPEARED to be a fund to help beef the police forces in a few counties connected to the border so that they would be able to fight the drug cartel that has essentially taken over a chunk of Arizona. Then, an astute reader pointed out it was all about a LEGAL defense fund. I have been against donation since my very first post... and I was under the impression it was funding for the cops!

My question about the lawsuits had NOTHING to do with 1070 and everything to do with attempting to embarrass THE FEDS into funding the cops. (And I NEVER side with the Cops!!)

And if my belief that the police in those counties SHOULD be able to shoot obviously armed individuals or groups who are drug runners amounts to "ethnic cleansing", well I guess I'll just have to live with that.

Every lawyer I've ever spoken with has said essentially the same thing about suing the Feds as you, sans condecension. I think it's a shame that we're completely bound by our Govts decisions. What I really don't get is that we're currently involved in a "War on Terror", but yet, when we see it quite clearly in our own backyard, we do nothing. And people like you VOLUNTEER their time to make sure that situation stays status quo.

Thank you for your input.

EDIT to add: I thought the A in ACLU meant American.... I see now this only means country of origin, as it's most certainly NOT AMERICAN civil liberties, but rather those of foriegn nationals that our tax dollars APPEAR to be representing!


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no offence to you gun totting constitution loving americans out there but why do people keep crying about the constitution. it seems to me that since the thing was created people of power pick and choose when it applies and what it applies to. people seem to bring it up when it helps there agenda but when it dosnt you dont hear boo about the constitution. and then you had 9/11 and sice then the constitution has pretty much been redundent. i could be wrong not being american and all but thats just an outsider's opinion.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by 4nsicphd

 

Don't you only have to have a lawyer file the initial brief? The rest can be done by a non british accreditation registry individual.

Huh??? British what??? I think you must be really confused about where Arizona is.The question was about a class action. That means whoever is doing the briefing is representing other people. To do that, in the US, you must be a lawyer admitted to practice in whatever court the case is pending.

The hardest part of course is proving standing, correct?
One would just have to find someone injured by an illegal immigrant after this ruling.

Nope, standing is only one hurdle. First, you have to find some legally cognizable cause of action. There is no contract between you and the ACLU. Maybe a tort? Nope, for a tort claim, the defendant must owe a defined duty to the plaintiff. The ACLU owes no duty to anyone except its members and clients.

Now, the government cannot be sued, as a case from I think it was Wisconsin decision stated that the government has no obligation to protect anyone.

Wrong again! The government cannot be sued without its permission because of something called sovereign immunity, which is a construct of old English law, which held that since there was such a thing as the "Divine Right of Kings", that kings were like god and since you can't sue god, you can't sue the ruler either. Now, the US Government has given permission to sue it for a tort, so long as you follow every step in the Federal Tort Claims Act. Better go to law school for that.

But, the ACLU not being the government, has no protection from that ruling.

Now, if this could get into a civil case, and LAWYERS behind the bar were the ones being sued because of their complicit nature of not allowing citizens to protect themselves. I think an epic settlement would be reached.

Keep dreaming. Those lawyers owe no duty to anyone other than their clients. If you are to feeble to protect yourself without having some renegade outlaw sheriff round up everyone different from you in language, skin color and culture, you deserve to live in backwards, bankrupt Arizona.

Tell me, how deep are the pockets of the ACLU?

That would be one epic trial. Epic!

:puz
For the 30 seconds until it was dismissed. The law of the case is settled. The Feds/ACLU won.
And as of the beginning of 2008, the ACLU had net assets of a little over $8 million. It has about 200 staff attorneys and thousands of volunteer attorneys.
Go ahead, file your suit. But for the first court appearance wear your 7th Cavalry Regiment Uniforms, or, if those are non british registry accredited, uniforms of Raglands Light Cavalry Brigade.

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