How this Crisis Will Play Out - 2010 and beyond

I'm not to sure why everyone always gets so worked up on where to hide from impending doom. No where is safe if it is your time and god wants you! "two men will be standing in a field and one will be swept away"

Originally posted by theclutch
... Where are you gonna go when everyone around you is saying run but god has told you to stand and watch?

Very well said. You're gonna stand and watch. I think the prophecies in this thread and elsewhere are just information, possibilities, perspectives, and they are not instructions.

We will have various roles in what will play out. "All the world's a stage ..."

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You should go to this thread and post your case: An Invitation to All the Prophets, Benevolents, Seers... et al.

It is a thread all about you and your "peers".

Here's an interesting perspective on war and economics. Supposedly this was a top secret classified US document that got discovered somewhere, sort of like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Like that document I don't know if it's authentic or not, but there's some good truth to it.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

Some of my impressions:

I'm an EE so I like it, anyway. It expands on the usual stuff taught in econ courses; for example we don't have supply = demand. Instead that's a static relationship, but this model is dynamic, so supply can differ from demand (they are calculated separately) but there are forces that may tend to bring them into alignment. If weaker forces aren't enough, war seems to be the solution. [That's where we seem to be now. In the USA, supply is way below demand. We don't supply ourselves any more, and our debts are unpayable.]

Of course in a static sense supply = demand exactly at every moment. But it's more of a concept of long run rate of supply vs. long run rate of demand, and these can get out of whack. The concepts are quite intuitive, but I haven't seen this modeling approach used in the econ or operations research literature that I'm familiar with.

Big macro models in publicly available journals have a poor track record (Ray Fair did some in the 1970's) but this approach might be better, a dynamic system that is calibrated by examining its impulse or step response on various dimensions.

This document, if authentic, is about 30 years old. The state of the art and its application have surely moved on since then. For example they talk about supplying the military with bodies via a draft. But for our most recent conflicts, the mechanism has been to induce people to volunteer. Some methods have been to deprive them of job opportunities, offer to cancel debts that will be terribly onerous, and offer green-card benefits to immigrants who complete military service. Also, tricking people who signed up for the National Guard who thought they would be serving in an actual domestic defense role. But once people have legally joined voluntarily they can be treated a lot worse than draftees. The nation would not stand for stop-loss repeat tours of duty for draftees, and volunteers self-select to do this stuff so they are probably less humane to natives in countries where we're doing nation-building or whatever they call it.

Originally posted by theclutch
No where is safe if it is your time and god wants you! "two men will be standing in a field and one will be swept away"

One has to be alert where god wants you to be. One place where t to be is in Babylon, for sure.

The best is to become a servant of the most high, and be on the look out for any orders he gives. Even though many try, the Lord chooses who he wants to become his messenger.

He will be the shepherd one needs to listen to. The Don't worry, Be Happy attitude right now is dangerous, since people will be led stray from their faith, and will be led to do many outrageous things that are despised by Him. The Bibe warns about this times we re living.

Only a few will remain true to Him.

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010

One has to be alert where god wants you to be. One place where t to be is in Babylon, for sure.

The best is to become a servant of the most high, and be on the look out for any orders he gives. Even though many try, the Lord chooses who he wants to become his messenger.

He will be the shepherd one needs to listen to. The Don't worry, Be Happy attitude right now is dangerous, since people will be led stray from their faith, and will be led to do many outrageous things that are despised by Him. The Bibe warns about this times we re living.

Only a few will remain true to Him.

This may be the most obscurely dangerous thing ever said on ATS, and is equally applicable to a Dark Lord as well as the Good Lord. To ATS readers, please be very, very careful where you place your hope.

This person is, I believe, incredibly dangerous. Ask yourselves if you would give this person the time of day, were he to preach his ramblings on the street? Does the self-adoption of a user name such as Wide Vision and his minor celebrity status as a refugee from GLP really confer such implied authority that you believe him?

Beware!

Well his "ramblings" have been fairly accurate. Some are just an accurate apprehension of present reality, but I think there's some prescience there too.

But I would note there are other ways to serve the Creator, besides being his messenger. That is just one role, an important one but not the only one. There are many parts in the drama unfolding now.

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010
Anyone can become a messenger of the Most High.

If you´re interested in passing the warnings and good news, please pray to be part of the messengers of the Supreme. Do so everyday, and at all times. If you are accepted by the Lord, it will be obvious. You will be given signs and dreams that will happen. You will know things others don´t. You will give the great news, and things will happen as you are told.

See the Lord work through his people.

Though I respect agnostics, and people from all religions, they aren´t ready to be servants of Jesus Christ. I am sure they will just deny what I am saying.

any smart person would deny what you are saying....youre #ing delusional

Listen from 10:19 on...

Getting rid of the IRS. Talks are already on, as predicted.

On a personal level I posed this very question to myself. If the Lord wished me to do something to save someone sort of thing.

Here is my answer: It is not my duty to usher those that trespass against me into the light. It is not my duty to carry the negative. It is not my place to be a tool in that sense. I can only lead by example of my own personal convictions.

If I am seen as a threat to something evil, be it human or otherwise, I expect the Lord to step in and usher that journey for that entity. I can only identify the evil or expose the evil by not bending, by not giving in, and by not participating in their madness. I can see, so shall he, but not through me!

I have my own path. The Almighty can handle everything else. I can no more change the face of a Nation than I can change the mind of a neighbor. I can only stand on my own convictions and not harm others intentionally (although that is a subject all its own), because equally I will not allow evil to enter my home and I will defend my home to my own ending if that is what it takes.

If you´re interested in passing the warnings and good news, please pray to be part of the messengers of the Supreme. Do so everyday, and at all times. If you are accepted by the Lord, it will be obvious. You will be given signs and dreams that will happen. You will know things others don´t. You will give the great news, and things will happen as you are told.

See the Lord work through his people.

Though I respect agnostics, and people from all religions, they aren´t ready to be servants of Jesus Christ. I am sure they will just deny what I am saying.

Although I see a lot of what you're saying as right, and very probable to happen, but not sure about other stuff, I also feel you are absolutely wrong about agnostics.

There are many unknowns in this world, unexplainable stuff, there is a spiritual world out there, or another dimension of sorts, but I have never believed that Jesus is God. And he knows I feel that way. Jesus was a dude who "understood", and "got it". I think he also looked at ALL people as sons and daughters of God. Jesus could be watching over all of us along with Siddhartha Gautama, Horus, and others.

I consider myself agnostic, and I have always been very intuitive, and have been kept safe through intuition. Something out there keeps me safe, and guides me in good ways. I just go by feelings and just knowing. Hard to explain other than that. There has been so many close calls in my life that going in another direction would have certainly been my demise. And I always say thanks to whoever or whatever pulled me away from that situation.


Edit: This isn't denial, I just noticed that up there I am agnostic, and still get all my messages, signs, and warnings, or I wouldn't be alive today. And whatever/whoever is helping, I always thank.

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Originally posted by tangotemper

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010

One has to be alert where god wants you to be. One place where t to be is in Babylon, for sure.

The best is to become a servant of the most high, and be on the look out for any orders he gives. Even though many try, the Lord chooses who he wants to become his messenger.

He will be the shepherd one needs to listen to. The Don't worry, Be Happy attitude right now is dangerous, since people will be led stray from their faith, and will be led to do many outrageous things that are despised by Him. The Bibe warns about this times we re living.

Only a few will remain true to Him.

This may be the most obscurely dangerous thing ever said on ATS, and is equally applicable to a Dark Lord as well as the Good Lord. To ATS readers, please be very, very careful where you place your hope.

This person is, I believe, incredibly dangerous. Ask yourselves if you would give this person the time of day, were he to preach his ramblings on the street? Does the self-adoption of a user name such as Wide Vision and his minor celebrity status as a refugee from GLP really confer such implied authority that you believe him?

Beware!

There is only one Most High, and that is Jesus Christ.

How easy is to twist my words, when people respond without having read the thread!

Oh, my!

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010
... There is only one Most High, and that is Jesus Christ.

How easy is to twist my words, when people respond without having read the thread!

Oh, my!

Jesus Christ told us clearly not to worship him, but rather the one who sent him. That's my understanding. I've been impressed with the prophetic material in this thread and on GLP, but I think the statement I quoted is an error.

John 8:58 (King James Version)

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Matthew 1:23 (King James Version)

Matthew 1:23 (King James Version)
23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version)

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 10:30 (King James Version)

30 I and my Father are one.

1 John 3:16 (King James Version)

16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Acts 7:59 (King James Version)

59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

John 20:28 (King James Version)

28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

John 1:1-4; John 1:14 (King James Version)
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

EDIT: Forgot one:
1 John 5:20 (King James Version)

20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


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Originally posted by oniongrass

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010
... There is only one Most High, and that is Jesus Christ.

How easy is to twist my words, when people respond without having read the thread!

Oh, my!

Jesus Christ told us clearly not to worship him, but rather the one who sent him. That's my understanding. I've been impressed with the prophetic material in this thread and on GLP, but I think the statement I quoted is an error.

Correct in your understanding.

Nobody can get to God if not through Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Wide Vision 2010

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
Here is 2 currently related articles, maybe?

Cardinal Climax
www.marketwatch.com...

N. Korea Threatens Nuclear Attack On Us Wargames This Week
www.bloomberg.com...

spec

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Although my take is almost pure Christian, I have to agree with your first link Cardinal Climax. www.marketwatch.com... I am not closed to any other view that is correct in his assessment.

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these links are reasons why predictions shouldn't be allowed here anymore.
They failed.

reply to post by Wide Vision 2010


Thanks. Actually what I quoted can be read that way too.

nlouise, I'm basing my conclusion on an overall reading of the text, therefore I probably cannot prove it to you with one or two quotes. But the section John 14:15-28 is pretty much the way I see it.

Another way to see it is just that the Creator sent Jesus Christ. Therefore which is the source? The Christ said he is the Son of God. Frankly I don't know what that means even after reading the text. I understand sons and daughters in the context of humans and animals, and general concepts of "parent", "child" and "inheritance", but that's about it.

From reading John 14, I conclude that going through Jesus Christ involves at least paying close attention to his words. That's a minimum. He came to give us those words. And the prophets before him were telling us, at least, to pay very close attention to those words, those would be special magical words.

Furthermore, apropos Snowspirit's post today, the spirit one reaches does not necessarily have the name "Jesus". After all that would sound different in every human language, and I'm not aware of a magical incantation to prevent one from contacting an impostor. One simply has to go on feeling and desire. I don't call the spirit by a particular name either. But the spirit I speak to has never led me in a way that's contrary to the words of Jesus Christ that are recorded in the Gospels.

(EDIT: rereading this it could give the impression that I've always sought, received and followed such guidance. That is certainly not true -- I have had failures in all three aspects.)

That's my understanding at this point.

To organize my thinking I referred to a thread on GLP called "JESUS TOLD PEOPLE NOT TO WORSHIP HIM", apparently in all-caps. I am banned from GLP but some of the thread was cached on Google so I could read enough to remind myself. You might find more good stuff there.

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Originally posted by oniongrass
reply to post by Wide Vision 2010

 

Thanks. Actually what I quoted can be read that way too.

nlouise, I'm basing my conclusion on an overall reading of the text, therefore I probably cannot prove it to you with one or two quotes. But the section John 14:15-28 is pretty much the way I see it.

Another way to see it is just that the Creator sent Jesus Christ. Therefore which is the source? The Christ said he is the Son of God. Frankly I don't know what that means even after reading the text. I understand sons and daughters in the context of humans and animals, and general concepts of "parent", "child" and "inheritance", but that's about it.

From reading John 14, I conclude that going through Jesus Christ involves at least paying close attention to his words. That's a minimum. He came to give us those words. And the prophets before him were telling us, at least, to pay very close attention to those words, those would be special magical words.

Furthermore, apropos Snowspirit's post today, the spirit one reaches does not necessarily have the name "Jesus". After all that would sound different in every human language, and I'm not aware of a magical incantation to prevent one from contacting an impostor. One simply has to go on feeling and desire. I don't call the spirit by a particular name either. But the spirit I speak to has never led me in a way that's contrary to the words of Jesus Christ that are recorded in the Gospels.

(EDIT: rereading this it could give the impression that I've always sought, received and followed such guidance. That is certainly not true -- I have had failures in all three aspects.)

That's my understanding at this point.

To organize my thinking I referred to a thread on GLP called "JESUS TOLD PEOPLE NOT TO WORSHIP HIM", apparently in all-caps. I am banned from GLP but some of the thread was cached on Google so I could read enough to remind myself. You might find more good stuff there.

[edit on 11-8-2010 by oniongrass]

An egg is an egg, yet it is made up of three components; a yolk, a white, and a shell, but it is still an egg.

Water is water; you have steam, ice, and liquid, but it is still water.

God is God; you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but all are still God.

reply to post by nlouise


nlouise, I really don't think that's a good answer. I sent you a U2U. But basically it's like defining ice as a part of the ice-water-steam trinity. I still don't know what ice is like, whether it's hot or cold, etc.

This trinitarian mystery, which has been debated for ages, has a particular effect on me: it makes me turn my mind off. I cannot understand it, so I accept it and move on. But that's wrong! The Creator did not give me a brain so I could turn it off when I heard an incantation!

As predicted:

BP Gulf Oil Spill Static Kill Has Failed And Created Mess That Will Make Well Harder To Seal

WE ALL KNEW IT, BP WASN'T ADMITTING IT. BUT NOW OFFICIALS ARE TELLING US THE STATIC KILL FAILED! AND NOT ONLY THAT, BECAUSE OF WHAT BP HAS DONE, THE SITUATION WILL BE HARDER TO REMEDY NOW.

"Drilling industry experts are now saying that the BP Gulf Oil Spill static kill has failed. The plan has backfired creating open communication to the reservoir and will ultimately make the well much harder to kill."

"BP Needs To Answer Questions About Clouds Coming From Sea Floor.
http://(nolink)/2010/08/12/bp-gulf-oil-spill-static-kill-failed-created-mess-harder-seal/