How this Crisis Will Play Out - 2010 and beyond

Originally posted by nlouise
OK. This may sound like a dumb question, but if the gulf oil is in US territory, why are foriegners pumping it? And why are we buying it from the foriegners?

We leased it to various companies, including foreign companies, for exploration and production of oil and natgas. They paid us a fee.

But when this happened, as far as I'm concerned all bets are off and it's national security. The problem is, we didn't know how to stop it either. But it took us too long to get some cojones and (at least apparently) act like we were in charge.

Originally posted by thegoodearth
reply to post by nlouise

 

great article in Mother Jones about "who really owns the Gulf of Mexico"

motherjones.com...

Also... read up on the beautiful UN "Law of the Sea" Treaty which is still being pushed to be adopted, giving the UN 7/10th authority over the Earth's surface, and creating a huge bureaucratic agency called "Enterprise" which would tax ALL commercial use of the high seas and give the money to the UN. A huge cash cow for the UN.

Thank you for the info. I will check out that link. I knew there had to be something fishy (no pun intended) about the gulf. It just doesn't make any sense to me that BP is in our territory. I'm going to go read. Thanks again.

Originally posted by oniongrass

Originally posted by nlouise
OK. This may sound like a dumb question, but if the gulf oil is in US territory, why are foriegners pumping it? And why are we buying it from the foriegners?

We leased it to various companies, including foreign companies, for exploration and production of oil and natgas. They paid us a fee.

But when this happened, as far as I'm concerned all bets are off and it's national security. The problem is, we didn't know how to stop it either. But it took us too long to get some cojones and (at least apparently) act like we were in charge.

It makes me wonder how many of these oil rigs in Long Beach, CA belong to foreign interests. That's the type of answers we need published in our (controlled) media. But, I guess we will just hear about a thousand more oil leaks going on around the globe, instead.

Who says the Bible we use is correct about everything?

I think the spoon fed version of the Bible we have was actually GIVEN to us by TPTB. I believe Jesus preached many more wonderful things to the authentic Christians who were around back then.

Has anyone ever stopped and considered that all this may be to goad people into doing things according to their religious books?



All I know is, I already have my dates and locations set aside for "camping trips" with the family.

reply to post by prepared4truth


The Zionists are indeed following the instructions in the Bible and I guess the Talmud to make their Messiah come.

And/or they (this would include "fake Zionists") can do what they want under the cover of the Bible. It gives excuses to do all sorts of awful things around this time.

I think OP mentioned this but it was probably over on GLP before he came here.

So, would things go this way if the Biblical prophecies had never been written? Yeah, probably things would be different. Don't know about better or worse, but different.

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reply to post by nlouise


The report you refer to is a competitive analysis report. It is only 1 way of measuring economic factors. If we were to use a report similar to the military report you first posted we would end up with a list like this:

1. US
2. Japan
3. China
4. Germany
5. France
6. UK
7. Italy
8. Brazil
9. Spain
10. Canada

Countries by GDP

These are the countries with the most powerful economies.

reply to post by seekersc


My question was to find a measure of deciding the value of these predictions. You avoided the question. I will take it that August is a better month on which to decide that the predictions are worth following or not.

The problem is that as you put it people "resonate" or find something interesting in predictions. The goal is to step back from the feelings and find a point at which the predictions are decidable as good or bad.

reply to post by nlouise


Why would you expect to see Africa on a list of top 10? South Africa is the country in Africa with the highest GDP at 32nd. Egypt is 42nd. Nigeria is 44th. Algeria is 49th. Morocco is 58th. Angola is 61st. By that position the GDP is a minuscule fraction of 10th place Canada.

Consider California. It has a GDP that would rank in the top 10 in the world if it were its own country.

reply to post by nlouise


have you noticed that those are all individual countries Africa is an entire continent with probably more people in all those countries together

reply to post by stereologist


you are looking at africa divided when one looks at it united it posts a very big potential threat and yes africa is moving up the economic scale with South africa in the lead, if we stand together we have man power and maybe enough resources

reply to post by BloodCROSS


But it can't be divided by warfare and bloodshed. Improved living. Equality. I was told Africa was the symbol for this planet and always picture it cosmically advanced, equal. And all of us as well.

reply to post by Unity_99


sory i do not entirely understand what you are saying

reply to post by BloodCROSS


It's an interesting question. We are ignoring Africa, a big fertile continent, rich in resources, with a large population. There are several parts to Africa. Northern Africa is close to the middle east (Egypt) or Europe (Morocco) and is probably a separate matter.

Bloodcross talks about Africa rising in the world, having power. It hasn't happened yet. Certainly population is not lacking; there are enough people. There are issues of disease control (AIDS), economic control (plundering by top guys) and technology. Some foreign countries are helping with these issues, but foreigners do it for a price. It has always been this way.

Some of the best deals, from the point of view of the Africans, are probably with the Chinese. Their typical development model is they will come into a resource-rich place and develop the technical aspects (mines, railroads) needed to extract the resource. They design and build for free and share the profits from resource extraction with the host country. Of course this means to share it with the ruling party or individual, primarily. China gets what it wants by persuasion rather than military confrontation, and what it wants is commodity resources.

I don't see Africa becoming a military power. Nobody will help them, and they are not yet developing technology internally. But they certainly have the attention of foreign powers, for the usual strategic reasons.

None of this is prophetic, it's just based on ordinary observation.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by nlouise

 

Why would you expect to see Africa on a list of top 10? South Africa is the country in Africa with the highest GDP at 32nd. Egypt is 42nd. Nigeria is 44th. Algeria is 49th. Morocco is 58th. Angola is 61st. By that position the GDP is a minuscule fraction of 10th place Canada.

Consider California. It has a GDP that would rank in the top 10 in the world if it were its own country.

I didn't expect to see Africa on that top ten list or even on a top thirty list. Someone else had mentioned Africa rising. I would never have considered Africa myself.

The only point I was making was that Africa was not anywhere near the top of the list. I don't know all that much about how the economics structure is determined (obviously)except what I read here and there. I do know that Africa isn't on the top.

Why do you consider California? Is it because of our large ports? Or is it because of the number of wealthy people that live inside it's parameters? OR both? I know our state implies it is going for broke right now, (at least according to our media), but I still see the loaded cargo trains coming through, and I am unaware of any longshoremen layoffs.

reply to post by BloodCROSS


Take a look at the countries and notice that even if you add up the GDP of all of the countries in Africa it is very small compared to countries in the top 10 list. Consider population. There are just under 7 billion in the world today with 1/3 of that population in China and India with 2.5 billion. The US, Indonesia, and Brazil come in with another 3/4 billion people. At number 8 is Nigeria with 152 M, Ethiopia has 88M for 14th, and Egypt has 82M for 16th.

Country Populations

Africa is not as heavily populated as Asian countries and doe snot have the GDP to be a world contender for some time. That does not mean that there are individual countries in Africa that can't shine.

reply to post by BloodCROSS


If you want to lump countries together fine, just do it. You'll see that Africa is behind and continues to lag. Part of that problem I am told is that the bulk of the earnings in Africa are invested outside of the continent. That leaves the earnings in the hands of the few and the general population does not the ability to earn as money is shifted away the continent by the rulers.

reply to post by nlouise


Sorry. I was mistaken about your position. Africa is as you showed lagging.

I mention California because it is:
1. large in area
2. large in population
3. is just 1 piece of the US, yet could have international clout were it a nation itself

reply to post by stereologist


there is 40 million people in south africa alone, and there is actuall about 40 billion people in the world

reply to post by BloodCROSS


Where in the heck did you get the number 40 billion for the world population???

Latest official current world population estimate, for mid-year 2009, is estimated at 6,790,062,216.

Real-time world pop.

Unless the population rose by 32-33 BILLION just last year..(LMAO)

Huge difference.


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reply to post by BloodCROSS


I'll also have to disagree with your SA population. It is 49 million, not 40 million.

Here is how I got to the census information. It seems that the link I posted went through some interesting steps.

Go to the following page:
Internation database country rankings
Then select your query. The result cannot be linked to.