What if God is everything .....

Originally posted by LordBucket

It would depend on if this conscious "everything" can interact
in some meaningful way with the conscious beings within it.

Do you interact in some meaningful way with the cells that compose your body?

Not consciously, no. You forgot a key word in my post.

What if a spec of dust was everything and everything was a spec of dust?
Just out of interest, when did people first believe in a god anyway? is that even a question that can be anwered? was it because they saw things come from the sky? Or was it because people feel the need to have a ruler or creator?

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"God" IS everything.

Unless you WANT a narrow definition of "God." But that hardly makes any sense to me. What do people even think they are referring to when they speak of "God"? Aren't they trying to point to the Ultimate?


God = Everything. The only definition that makes any sense.

And yes paradoxes and contradictions exist and are factual and there is no reason NOT to accept them as part of nature. I like to think of them as the termination points on the finite, where the finite interfaces into the unlimited infinity.

God = everything.

Our perception of God can change depending on what we have seen and heard. My God is different than your God. I try to treat you as God. I sometimes fail at this attempt.

I let my perception of God change as time goes by. Sometimes my idea of God can become muddled and screwed up. God is a part of everything.

By everything I mean everything. Every emotion, action, thing be it living or not. Every suspension of emotion, action, thing be it living or not. Whether “good” or “bad”, it is a part of God and somehow has a part to play.

I do not think God has a plan or a goal. It just is, as much as we can perceive anyways.

reply to post by LordBucket

If God is everything, and the Devil exists, why would the Devil be any less God than everything else?

True. I get what your saying, but with that kind of logic we would walk around all day describing everything as being God. It's simply nihilistic in concept even though we're talking about God.

It's my opinion that all fruitfullness is life starts with dichotomy. Black and White. Heaven and Hell. Without friction there is no heat. The purpose of corporeal life is action and desire and exhaustion. Not thought experiements about reductions to absurdity and extreme ideas devoid of matter.

Therefore, for every God there must be a Devil. For an all encompassing God which seems to be what everyone in this thread is talking about there must be an all encompassing Devil that exists as Anti-matter to Matter. There is nowhere to go beyond this point besides a longing for death and insanity.

reply to post by googolplex

The Devil just works for Creator, all he does is reinforce th Truth, don't give such a bad rap, free will is given what is done with it is choice.

Agree with everything here except free will:

"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills."
Arthur Schopenhauer

What assurance can you have of the truth of this?

Just ask any alchoholic or drug addict.

reply to post by AProphet1233

It's my opinion that all fruitfullness is life starts with dichotomy. Black and White. Heaven and Hell. Without friction there is no heat. The purpose of corporeal life is action and desire and exhaustion. Not thought experiements about reductions to absurdity and extreme ideas devoid of matter.

Thats preposterous!!!! Divisions are relative and all based on perspectives. From the lens of a microscope .....all we see is atoms and cant distinguish between labels of divisions ....... or better yet identical strings is all there is according to string theory ...so which atom/string is good and which one bad?

Things that I used to think were bad, that happened to me, in retrospect now I look back and see were good cause they cause me to evolve spiritually, intellectually, physically, etc

I dont buy divisions ...thats just one perspective amongst infinite perspectives i.e. from that of an aunt, of a bird, of a blind man, of a retarded child, of space cricket, of the sun, etc etc ...all relative.

reply to post by dominicus



There is no "if".

Everything is the mind of God. The universe is God's process of self-realization.


Peace

reply to post by dominicus

Thats preposterous!!!! Divisions are relative and all based on perspectives. From the lens of a microscope .....all we see is atoms and cant distinguish between labels of divisions ....... or better yet identical strings is all there is according to string theory ...so which atom/string is good and which one bad?

This sir is hogwash! As humans we don't have microscopic vision. Why? Because expanding or extending our vision to the extent that everything appears the same can only be the perspective of a universal nihilistic being. If you yourself are not universal, meaning if you have emotions or preferences or desires or sentiments or hobbys. In short, if you don't have the nature of a psychopath or someone who is likewise insane then this 'All is One' idea is to you only an intellectual idea and not reality.

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"God" has to be "godly".

If god is everything then I could be fine with that .If so god would not be praiseworthy nor perfect but believable and more logically plausible. But then again , I am everything, as far as I know. With me everything exists and without me everything would end , I am good /evil , and I exist to MY certainty.

What more could you ask for in a god and still remain rational?

if everything was God, it would mean that there is nothing that is evil, no possibility of going to hell, and therefore no reason for religion to exist at all. The only question remains then is, why is there religion?

Originally posted by filosophia
if everything was God, it would mean that there is nothing that is evil, no possibility of going to hell, and therefore no reason for religion to exist at all. The only question remains then is, why is there religion?

Exactly why a god that is infinite , omnibenevolent , omnipotent , and omnipresent cannot exist. He cannot be the creator and be all-loving , he cannot be everything and not be evil , he cannot do anything and know everything , and he cannot be personal yet unknowable.

All are incompatible with the other and conceptually inept.

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reply to post by googolplex

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align self with that which IS, not that which if.


QUOTE LORDBUCKET
"But if God is everything, how can you possibly align yourself with anything that isn't God? What is there to align one's self with other than that which is? "

Most can see the Truth is writen al all around, double talk will get you no where, except maybe being cute, or smart a.
A time will come when there is only The Tree of Knowledge of Good.

You could aling self with Devil, which is false thing.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by googolplex]

Originally posted by The Wave
Which in simple terms are;

GUT - General Unified theory or
TOE - Theory of everything....

Peace!

excellent concise explanation!

might i add

GOD = Good Orderly Direction

or, in other words, sentient awareness.

Originally posted by filosophia
if everything was God, it would mean that there is nothing that is evil, no possibility of going to hell, and therefore no reason for religion to exist at all.

EXACTLY.

or...rather...
if there is no hell, then there is no possibility of going there, and hence, no reason for religion.


and hell in the sense of the christian construct, as a place of eternal conscious suffering from unending torture, is a fable.
the bible, when properly understood, makes this clear.

religion, however, cannot afford to let that crazy cool cat out of the bag.

The only question remains then is, why is there religion?

because men who love self like to control other men and the best way is through fear.


fear is the opposite of love.
GOD is love
religion is predominantly fear - at least christianity is, and a few others, as well.

any religion that preaches hell is founded on fear, not love.

love of self seeks to control
love of others seeks to liberate

reply to post by AProphet1233

This sir is hogwash!

what the heck is hogwash but a relative imaginary concept. I'll give you a crisp brand new hundo if you can produce a solid piece of objective hogwash that we can all hold, look at, and agree on.

As humans we don't have microscopic vision.

But we have microscopes for the micro and telescopes for the macro. These are extensions to make up for our limits.....

Why? Because expanding or extending our vision to the extent that everything appears the same can only be the perspective of a universal nihilistic being.

Do you know this for sure ...is it an absolute fact and have you checked yourself ...or is this just another subjective relative concept that was made up in your imagination?

If you yourself are not universal, meaning if you have emotions or preferences or desires or sentiments or hobbys. In short, if you don't have the nature of a psychopath or someone who is likewise insane then this 'All is One' idea is to you only an intellectual idea and not reality.

Who's to say I nor anyone else isn't universal? Perhaps there are people that are beyond emotions .....all relative....

In my reality ...when an emotion happens ...I am aware that it is there. Well then am I the emotion or am I the one that is aware of it. Of course when the beginning of an emotion begins to arrive ...there is a choice whether to take part in it or not .....is this not the case for everyone if they investigate it? Or is that the majority are a bunch of slaves at the whim of every emotion for the simple fact that they themselves haven't investigated their own inner operations?

What if this "All is One" reality was experienced and is now being forwarded as the truth. What implications would that have if that were true and your perspective of duality and divisions was a lie and an illusion?

reply to post by dominicus

In my reality ...when an emotion happens ...I am aware that it is there. Well then am I the emotion or am I the one that is aware of it. Of course when the beginning of an emotion begins to arrive ...there is a choice whether to take part in it or not .....is this not the case for everyone if they investigate it? Or is that the majority are a bunch of slaves at the whim of every emotion for the simple fact that they themselves haven't investigated their own inner operations?

I think it's wonderful that you can be aware of yourself real-time. To adopt this meditative Voltaire-esque disposition in our chaotic world is admirable. But, for most people they do identify with their emotions.

They say "That is stimulus. Here is anger. I am angry!"

Yours would be something like "That is stimulus. Anger approaches. What is regarded as identity is affected by said primitive emotion. Yet the true self is an impartial observer of this inertia."

We certaintly don't come out of the womb enlightened like this. Most remain with a child's emotional state or whatever reptilian breed their ancestors were - here you must agree with me because everyone on this site takes to calling the general population sheeple and controlled (not that you're their representative).

I myself don't blame the average person for being so stupid and simple minded. We are all God's children are we not? A universal law of nature is that the strong must rule the weak, correct? Even in the biblical account of Cain and Abel and the fearful multitude and God hated Cain, what have you. It's all simply a metaphor for power relations.

Yes I'm cynical, yes I'm a realist. The truth is this world is made for Dramatis, it is chaotic and violent. All human action is spurred by contrast.

What say your microscope to human nature?

[edit on 26-7-2010 by AProphet1233]

reply to post by AProphet1233

What say your microscope to human nature?

Well this is great .... through mindfulness we have come into an agreeable observation. This last post of yours awesome .......the 'I' likes it....

and the end of the day it is what it is .... yeah were all God's children even the one's that sleep walk.

The thing is that .....as a natural evolution ....it is an eventuality that we will all end up at this state of nondual understanding. Its all headed there ...but we're all collectively going towards that fighting and scratching and clawing at keeping our false identities and not giving non of this up.

....but oh is it awesome there ......and its there for everyone ..its within everyone. Its inherently the main grounds of everyone but people don't see it and yet its right in front of their faces.

What else can I do except stir up the waters here and there, drop some gems, leave some hints, at least make people question what they themselves take to be true. I feel its the realization of this nonduality that frees one from the Matrix ...perhaps thats the ticket to never coming back here.

Just food for thought at the end of the day really. Glad we could at least agree at the end

reply to post by dominicus


God is whatever and whoever you want him to be. It’s YOUR experience and YOUR perspective f everyone else do your own thing and believe how you want to believe.

We gotta stop all this what/who is God? Nonsense. Go inside and find out who he/she is for yourself, no one can really help you out because in the end it’s their perspective.

Be your own man, light your own way, and become your own STAR or PLANET.

Peace.

I AM GOD! GOD IS ME!



you are god, he is god.
but what is it all?
what is reality?

the Egyptians believed that fist what a being, chaos.
he crated Ra, the god. some thing from nothing?
what did they know?