Are you an Atheist? I bet you still don't have the guts!

Originally posted by TruthWizard
I find it Ironic that Atheists talk more about Christianity than Christians do lol.

OK - Search ATS for Atheism discussions.

Tell me the ratio of those started by Christians and those started by Atheist for discussion on Christianity.

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Those are just my top concerns. I think belief in anything supernatural is ludicrous, but that is their personal views and no matter how much I would love for them to not think that way it is their right to believe whatever nonsense they want.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Those are just my top concerns. I think belief in anything supernatural is ludicrous, but that is their personal views and no matter how much I would love for them to not think that way it is their right to believe whatever nonsense they want.

That is good.

But then look at your signature. You espouse atheism, but focus on Judeo Christian beleifs. Where is the parity to represent what you really mean? Why must it be only Judeo Christian beliefs that are blasphemed in order to make you a "legit" Atheist?

Is Atheism an active act of disbelief? Or passive? If active, does it not then take on the traits of theism? By this, i mean if you are being evangelical in your atheism, does this not make it more like a religion (whereby you seek approval for your ideas in numbers, rather than fact or in addition to fact)?

Do you see the distinction i am making? Someone who is a nonbeliever vs someone who is a defiant nonbeliever? Someone who holds their beliefs in their own mind and heart vs. those who wear it on their sleeve?

What is the motivation of wearing on your sleeve? To tell others how stupid they are? Or is it more about reaffirming a belief that you are not as solid in?

I know this sounds snarky. Accept my apologies in advance. I am simply a Deist. None of this offends me in the least, except for what i am perceiving to be a lack of logic on the part of some who espouse the Atheistic belief (or lack thereof....but that is really the debate I am having, isn't it?).

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

Those are just my top concerns. I think belief in anything supernatural is ludicrous, but that is their personal views and no matter how much I would love for them to not think that way it is their right to believe whatever nonsense they want.

Realize, please, that my ire is not directed so much at you. It is a frustration from seeing just about every emo teen out there claiming atheism as an act of nonconformity. It has ruined the whole idea for people who actually have thought it through and have valid, logic proof viewpoints (i talked to one on a blog the other day that had a very eloquent point to be made).

I never knew there was a "no turning back" point in terms of the Christian Gods' forgiveness.

Still, if there is, what is the purpose of having Atheists go on video as crossing that line?

Do Christians not believe them when they state their position on religion and the concept of God so they need some sort of absolute proof?

Originally posted by faceoff85
There is an unforgivable way of sinning... Judas Iskariot, the one betraying Jesus, is the only known person to have sinned against the holy spirit.

Without Judas there would be no resurrection.

He is essential to the story and thus merely played his part in helping Jesus transform from man to messiah in the eyes of his followers, giving them an example to follow.

I don't think what he did was unforgivable as much as inevitable and certainly had to have been planned out by the Holy Spirit alongside the omniscient Christian God.

- Lee

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Realize, please, that my ire is not directed so much at you.

It is a frustration from seeing just about every emo teen out there claiming atheism as an act of nonconformity.

Well they are teens, so various forms of nonconformity is par for the course.

It's what most normal teens do during their own interpersonal evolution and attempt to carve out some level of individuality.

They're kids. They'll usually just change their minds a year later.
It's nothing to take that seriously and hold against Atheism in general.

- Lee

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LOL, yeah. I get that. I have my own 12 year old that has just come out of the concept of atheism into thinking more about it in an abstract concept.

I always tell him it doesn't matter what he ends up believing. What matters is how he ends up being.

but on the internet you run into so many that seem to be the teen that on internet interactions it is difficult.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Realize, please, that my ire is not directed so much at you.

It is a frustration from seeing just about every emo teen out there claiming atheism as an act of nonconformity. It has ruined the whole idea for people who actually have thought it through and have valid, logic proof viewpoints (i talked to one on a blog the other day that had a very eloquent point to be made).

As opposed to all those God conformers - - with jeweled bling and big gold crosses hanging from giant chains - - praising Jesus?

Lets not have one sided tunnel vision.

And here's a list of Christian Emo Bands: www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Realize, please, that my ire is not directed so much at you.

It is a frustration from seeing just about every emo teen out there claiming atheism as an act of nonconformity. It has ruined the whole idea for people who actually have thought it through and have valid, logic proof viewpoints (i talked to one on a blog the other day that had a very eloquent point to be made).

As opposed to all those God conformers - - with jeweled bling and big gold crosses hanging from giant chains - - praising Jesus?

Lets not have one sided tunnel vision.

And here's a list of Christian Emo Bands: www.amazon.com...

I am not arguing a lesser of two evils here. I am someone who is on the outside looking in on this debate.

Like i mentioned earlier, it is odd that Atheists confine their meanderings and theories to a juxtaposition to Christianity, not religion/spirituality on the whole.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by bigfatfurrytexan]

I speak of Christian - - because that is what I know. I was Christian for half my life.

If you are in America - - percentage wise you may have been raised Christian or in a Christian neighborhood.

Which is why I believe Christian is usually the focus subject.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by Annee]

Originally posted by Annee
I speak of Christian - - because that is what I know. I was Christian for half my life.

If you are in America - - percentage wise you may have been raised Christian or in a Christian neighborhood.

Which is why I believe Christian is usually the focus subject.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by Annee]

I may not be on to something in your case. But in the case of others.....

how familiar does the average atheist get with world beliefs? With analysis of those beliefs from a scientific point of view, or even an esoteric "religious" point of view.

I mean, i agree that it is obvious that the NT is a fallacy (at least, to me). But i have spent my entire life pouring over texts, racking my brain, talking with "sages", delving into philosophy, and embracing science. I still don't have it figure out, even with all the years of study under my belt.

Sure, i went to a Southern Baptist university, and my best friend in HS was the son of the local presbyterian minister. My mom moderates the church section of a local forum. I am VERY familiar with Christianity. But that familiarity only served to drive me from that religion. To determine an alternative belief took a little over 10 years of searching. And i have revised my viewpoints hundreds of times since then.

Like i said, i make no specific points against any specific people.

why would an atheist declare himself an atheist by denying the holy spirit, and not just God? Or theism, since atheism is a-theism. so really an atheist is just someone who denies theology, which is the majority of the population, even believers, since most believers want good things to happen to themselves, not necessarily caring why god would do such and such a thing. and if theology is inherently unscientific, like astrology, it is good for all of us to be a-theists. Did I blaspheme the holy spirit in the above paragraph? I wasn't really planning it that way, just telling the truth, so I guess I accomplished the objective of the challenge.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
I am VERY familiar with Christianity. But that familiarity only served to drive me from that religion. To determine an alternative belief took a little over 10 years of searching. And i have revised my viewpoints hundreds of times since then.

Me too. And if you read all my posts - - not once did I state I am an Atheist.

I am 64+ now - - and it is in only the last 5 years I realized I no longer believe in any Creator type god.

I fully understand "non-belief" and do not fear it. Never said I don't have any.

Try Spiritual Humanism: www.spiritualhumanism.org...

There's nothing gutsy about snubbing God when you have convinced yourself that He doesn't exist.

So, what's the point?

Oh yeah...




[edit on 27-7-2010 by ChickenPie]

Originally posted by Misoir
This challenge has been done by thousands of people so far and by some notable Atheists as seen above.

I thought atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.

How can persons commit blasphemy against something they believe not to exist, something they believe is not there? Are they delusional and insane and they believe it only comes into existence when they require it to be blasphemed?