AGI Manhattan Project v2.0: COMPLETE

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The AGI Manhattan Project (COMPLETE)

This vastly upgraded piece features entire new sections, in particular on neurological and economic warfare being waged against us so they can wipe us all out financially to build their god on earth AGI system that we can't participate in. My Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project thread was an alpha test run. I often start threads here to test and expand ideas and arguments long before I post at my own sites.

It'd take days to try and post it all in a thread here with all the embeds. It took 5 years of research to be able to articulate that, and a week to write the first thread. I've spent a whole extra week expanding it!

Repost it or whatever, just please give credit if you do. Someone copied my original thread from here and went posting it all over the net with no credit whatsoever, no news references even.

I'll likely add a bunch more links... and I have a special video I made that goes in the last section before "The End?", but other than that it's good to go.

I'm going immediately into filmaking mode to turn that into a film I've been preparing for for years. I intend to crowd source the narration of it, lots of different voices, so if you'd like to help narrate this project let me know.


[edit on 24-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

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S&F simply because of the immense amount of work that went into this, I haven't read much of it yet, but I know I wont agree with some of it based on your last ATS thread. However, I was more interested in another page I found on your website..."Using Automated Untelligence to fight Artificial Intelligence"...while that may seem like a good idea, it could just help Google learn to distinguish between gibberish and legit sentences...and I bet they've already got quite complex algorithms to deal with that problem...I could probably make a simple application like that in less than 2 hours flat, with all those features and more...and I'm actually thinking about doing it because it could be a fun project to mess around with...I just don't know if I should share my technology with someone who seems to hate and even takes action to stop the advancement of technology...bring on the unpossible future...bring on A.I...bring on virtual reality and advanced nanotechnology...whether you or anyone else for that matter wants to stay in some sort of technological limbo, it doesn't really matter, you may be able to slow it down, but any sentient species will inevitably discover and learn about advanced sciences and technologies. The problem lies not in the possession of this knowledge, but rather who posses it and how they use it.

Thanks. I hope you'll note that while in general I'm a critic of the various threat-tech's, if you read closely my massive piece in both forms isn't really about the tech's themselves. My entire ordeal is about the despotic system ushering it all in ASAP, to by all indicators use against us. Or at least plunder and bankrupt us all so that we can't participate.

If you want the tech's, and a good life, utopia instead of dystopia, then everyone needs to come together to oppose this system that already opposes us. After that let humanity decide together how to cautiously advance. We can't do this while divided. There's an enemy to us well above us all.

Rushing in head first is like launching a few nukes over at Russia just to see whether or not they have the balls to launch back and go into full nuclear winter.

I actually have a growing list of solutions to what comes after that, based on agreement and decentralization that could allow people to have their way and not be totally obsolete and miserable. I intend to make an entire film about it. But right now we're so short on time of responding to the initial threat: the system. I've been on this issue for many years, but lackluster the past year or so. Part of my return is finally feeling confident enough in having a good start at solutions to the now and later.

[edit on 23-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

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My entire ordeal is about the despotic system ushering it all in ASAP, to by all indicators use against us.

Just imagine the how advanced classified technology might be...I have a feeling they're already a step ahead of your hypothesizing...but I have to agree with you...if we advance too quickly in some areas without considering the possibly consequences more in depth, there is always a chance we could all help create Skynet or something like that...that's why I feel maybe trying to slow down Google's progress maybe isn't such a bad idea...and if I do end up making an "Automated Untelligence Application" (AUA for short ) I'll give you a PM.

EDIT: Haha, I'm reading the your ideas for the application, and you've got:

4. A “Chaos” button extension built into your web browser, allowing you to auto-generate gibberish for posting into comments like on news sites. Interactive chaos fun.

I guess I have to make it now...with a Chaos button and all...

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I'm not even the one to talk to beyond mere concepts, although the chaos button was totally SeH's idea!

Hit up SeH on Skype:

ss_ee_hh

Tell him IIB sent ya.

You 2 will probably get along real real actually. We disagree on some major issues actually, but we keep on. We need all the programmers, thinkers, operators on this front we can get.

Originally posted by CHA0S
and if I do end up making an "Automated Untelligence Application" (AUA for short

) I'll give you a PM.

Too funny. One of my original film concepts in all of this was from a few years ago. It was to focus entirely how the Left & Right both use their 'major objectives' to push the DARPA-NASA techs. As a spoof on Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth I titled it "an unholy alliance" (AUA). 2 lightning strikes on my PC in one month stopped that long enough I had other idea by the time I had a machine worth movie making with again. Heres a sort of quazi trailer thing for it:

...
DAMN I forgot Youtube yanked the audio track out of it.

EDIT again:
Turns out someone took it upon themselves to upload it to Daily Motion:
www.dailymotion.com...


[edit on 24-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

iiB..my insights: i see you put a lot of work but alot of your production looks mediocre.
and even when you referenced your blog, it seemed like you were trying to just get views to your blog.

i know you are low on resources/income for funding but think of your personal project like a business, you need to market that business.. would you as a consumer feel better with a low-grade product or high quality and polished product? im saying that its not just the message you send (which you have hit well on references, credibility) but the way you send the message.. people will not visit your blog or watch the video if it looks mediocre, thats a truth..its a self bias that eventually they will evolve from but right now is a reality of society.

if you can find better video production software and hardware and web design for your blog then im sure you will get hits!

www.startbreakingfree.com... with-no-money/

^the above has some good tips on finding cheap or free web design tools, the same concept can be applied to finding low cost video production tools.

I hope my advise helped.

also..im psyched for your film! the drum and bass with the crazy dystopian scenery is just mind warping. i also liked the transhumanistic feel you had to your movie.

i hope you focus much on darpa nasa connections and the darker projects of those two complexes. also discussion on their primary goals would be interesting.. i know you think that is the a.i beast system, but i think they also have alternative prioritys such as with new weapons and nanotechnology (nanotech any info on that would be highly wanted!!)

also if you have any relation of darpa and cern it would be interesting..

(want to see) im most interested in

nanotechnology (more interested than a.i) (also in the a.i field i think its more likely we will have natural general intelligence systems rather then artificial.. such as with networked dispersed micro sensors)

government databases, data mining, profiling,

digitization of life, such as medical records

digitization of money, and transactions

the current most advance military projects, weapons, and vehicles

developing crowd control weapons and technologies

the future warrior system they are creating..(they want to have brigades beginning 2015, each brigade at a couple thousand soldiers..) an armada of the empire for 2020..
production starts at 2015 for the 2020 soldier system.. ( these will be akin to a star wars stormtrooper brigade)

the weather modification advances, especially artificial storms, and hurricanes, also proof of artificial earth quake technology is wanted..



military applied biotechnology, and biowarfare agents such as viruses

and i remember ago you spoke about a transhumanistic sacred geometrical new age religion, feedback on that is great appreciated.

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(want to see) im most interested in

nanotechnology (more interested than a.i) (also in the a.i field i think its more likely we will have natural general intelligence systems rather then artificial.. such as with networked dispersed micro sensors)
...
military applied biotechnology, and biowarfare agents such as viruses

You mean like this (hot off the press):

Neuro-Invasive Nanobot Invasion

iiB..my insights: i see you put a lot of work but alot of your production looks mediocre.
and even when you referenced your blog, it seemed like you were trying to just get views to your blog.

Hmm. I don't normally think of articles in terms of being "productions". Thing it as from what I've linked so far it was my blog referencing my blog (basically on stuff I've pot together that expands on microissues). Here you can find it apart from my blog at least:
agimanhattanproject.com...

For sake of someone being able to sit down at one presentation and see the entire system, and the war its waging against us, that's about as long as you could ever hope to make it. I've got majority of the reposts from my wordpress direct linked to the sources now, but for tons of issues I have entries that greatly expand on them. Like with Google I have tons of stuff written you wont find anywhere else, so if people can't handle clicking back to my site, however it looks, to get the bigger picture, then too damn bad I guess. My efforts have generally always expanded as I perceive interest in justifying my time and efforts. I took a break for a while, things have accelerated, so I hope more people are ready to take note this time around. We're running out of time.

With my current ambitions the tech is 2nd to the system delivering it, the rate at which they're doing so, and what they're already doing to us in the process.

Transalchemy have extensively taken the lead on the occultic side side of the issue, and to cover that you'd could make several complete films that talk almost nothing about it. Before 2012 comes along I intend to do a film showing how 2012 New Age'ism is veiled self-fulfilling techno indoctrination ("transformation of consciousness", "hive mind telepathy", etc) but right now that's the least of my concerns. The despotic political-economic system we all face is first and foremost to me.

the weather modification advances, especially artificial storms, and hurricanes, also proof of artificial earth quake technology is wanted..

I've tried talking about that here and there and haven't ever really gotten much response.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But again even if you prove that's what they're doing it doesn't mean much to most people without addressing those getting the power.


[edit on 24-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
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Hmm. I don't normally think of articles in terms of being "productions". Thing it as from what I've linked so far it was my blog referencing my blog (basically on stuff I've pot together that expands on microissues). Here you can find it apart from my blog at least:
agimanhattanproject.com...

For sake of someone being able to sit down at one presentation and see the entire system, and the war its waging against us, that's about as long as you could ever hope to make it. I've got majority of the reposts from my wordpress direct linked to the sources now, but for tons of issues I have entries that greatly expand on them. Like with Google I have tons of stuff written you wont find anywhere else, so if people can't handle clicking back to my site, however it looks, to get the bigger picture, then too damn bad I guess. My efforts have generally always expanded as I perceive interest in justifying my time and efforts. I took a break for a while, things have accelerated, so I hope more people are ready to take note this time around. We're running out of time.

With my current ambitions the tech is 2nd to the system delivering it, the rate at which they're doing so, and what they're already doing to us in the process.

Transalchemy have extensively taken the lead on the occultic side side of the issue, and to cover that you'd could make several complete films that talk almost nothing about it. Before 2012 comes along I intend to do a film showing how 2012 New Age'ism is veiled self-fulfilling techno indoctrination ("transformation of consciousness", "hive mind telepathy", etc) but right now that's the least of my concerns. The despotic political-economic system we all face is first and foremost to me.



But again even if you prove that's what they're doing it doesn't mean much to most people without addressing those getting the power.


[edit on 24-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

i understand your priorities iiB, and trust me ive been following along on your work since 2006 so im a major fan.

i think priority 1 should be the reference no matter how its put together.
i just would like to see your videos and website will become more advanced aesthetically, i have a feeling that it will draw more people in to your project.

anyways i remember in your old myspace, you wrote about a new age transhuman religion..and you had links for that, i have been looking for that ever since..

also on the last statement, if you can show how it is relevant to the viewer and what it means to them (that they are being turned into slaves, money stolen, system being created to track and know all, and they are dieing while the rich live for ever) than it will give them a reality check, shock and awe.

[edit on 24-7-2010 by togetherwestand]

Originally posted by togetherwestand
iiB..my insights: i see you put a lot of work but alot of your production looks mediocre.
and even when you referenced your blog, it seemed like you were trying to just get views to your blog.

Ok, I get what you mean...

You see there are rules here at ATS... One of them is you can't use ATS for reposting your stuff from et al. This is one reason I often post things here first, and after I build a bigger picture from this experience I put together a 'complete' thing for my other venues. This time around I wasn't expecting nor concerned with getting 200 flags, but was hoping to get discussion going about the despotic elite, related to their plan, and hopefully some enthusiasm in seeking solutions.

Well my beta Unpossible Future thread had a lot of attention here, despite not having embedded links and all the rest it could have been. The heavily revised edition is beyond the scope of trying to build it right in a thread. And I gotta tell you: Trying to smash in-effect 800 blogs -and then some- into a 'one page' narrative leaves a lot of things oversimplified, while already 'too long' for people probably, so sorry about it being a 'mediocre' presentation, truly.

So I guess this is how ATS works:
(1) Embed YouTube videos: because if someone has to click into the smaller third party video host, even if they can direct download the video, they wont bother.

(2) Don't bother posting a link to anything, because even if it would take you 20+ reply pages / 2+ thread pages to post it 'complete' with all of the media and links embedded, nobody is going to look at it. So what if it'd take an extra 2 days to do all of that embedding here first, don't bother.

The thing is when a thread gets to page 14, most people stop looking at it. So after I spend another solid week building the more complete edition, I post the link at the tail end of that thread and only a small handful of people of the 200 that had flagged the thread would ever even know that I had a more masterful page somewhere with the info in a full multimedia presentation: in better form and much better for linking outsiders to people to or copy/paste reposting. Outsiders come look at ATS and it isn't pretty, and you get slammed by popups.... a long post like that is broken across multiple 'pages', links aren't embedded, and so on.

So I decided to start a fresh thread so that people could see the new 'product'.

Perhaps even more importantly, the first ATS thread here ended up having most people argue over the technology itself, rather than the despotic system which is what I wanted it to be about. This new edition is mostly expanded in ways that talk about the elites and their 'neuro-economic' war against us, so I was hoping this thread might be discussion in that area.

But you know what: When you spend 2+ weeks (understatement) building something that in effect the world has hardly never seen or heard, that is critically important to address, yeah you do want to know it wasn't a waste of your time.

And the thing is, my other thread I started this morning: The Neuro-Invasive Nanobot Takeover, between the video, research writng it, etc, I did spend weeks on it. But damn you have to click thru to Vimeo.com to see / download it so that was a waste of time as far as ATS is concerned. This is the 2nd time I've posted a vimeo link and got nothing.

Maybe one day ATS will allow us to embed videos from google-alternative sites, but I've started 2 threads over the past few months asking about this and the mods wont respond to them.

Anyways, for anyone concerned about the actual issue at hand, I put it all in one clean page in its own domain:
agimanhattanproject.com...

But since this thread is apparently being viewed as spam by everyone the mods can delete it as far as I'm concerned.

[edit on 24-7-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Originally posted by togetherwestand
anyways i remember in your old myspace, you wrote about a new age transhuman religion..and you had links for that, i have been looking for that ever since..

Those pages are all still there, I just never migrated much of any of them over to my wordpress.

BTW: I already have begun preparing to pull out of generic wordpress.com hosting... but info comes before fancy spinner rims.

also on the last statement, if you can show how it is relevant to the viewer and what it means to them (that they are being turned into slaves, money stolen, system being created to track and know all, and they are dieing while the rich live for ever) than it will give them a reality check, shock and awe.

The beginning shows the trend to rob us, the middle shows why they're robbing, and how they're enslaving us, the totally new third areas show HOW they're robbing us. That was the best I could do keeping it ASAP (as short as possible). My intention wasn't to write a book: it was to provide a research guide that shows the way. Don't see too many of those in my internet travels, just lots of articles, rants, and... 'books'.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by togetherwestand
anyways i remember in your old myspace, you wrote about a new age transhuman religion..and you had links for that, i have been looking for that ever since..

Those pages are all still there, I just never migrated much of any of them over to my wordpress.

BTW: I already have begun preparing to pull out of generic wordpress.com hosting... but info comes before fancy spinner rims.


The beginning shows the trend to rob us, the middle shows why they're robbing, and how they're enslaving us, the totally new third areas show HOW they're robbing us.

well i wish you good luck on this iib!

Serously i have to applaud your research, i dont know if its their ultimate goal but i do know you are on the right path, you are discussing a topic no one really dares to discuss..

anyways ive looked through your myspace but im still having trouble finding that link, it was from 2005 i think.. ( oh and i honestly think your myspace looks better then your wordpress, keep the myspace the way it is



oh and some tracks from fear factory and other artist would be a nice touch to the film.

anyways...how do ufos factor in on this? i know their is a lot of disinformation but when you talk about these technologies..tptb could just be working under a higher intelligence..

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Perhaps even more importantly, the first ATS thread here ended up having most people argue over the technology itself, rather than the despotic system which is what I wanted it to be about. This new edition is mostly expanded in ways that talk about the elites and their 'neuro-economic' war against us, so I was hoping this thread might be discussion in that area.

Maybe because Technology IS the Despot?
You think the elites would exist without manipulative technology (from language to ideology and production technology)?
Elites are the first and biggest casualty of this "neuro-economic" war.
Technology, being a projection itself, simply projects on everyone. That's how it works.
It is not controlled by people, who are conditioned to succumb to it and are unaware of that fact.

Impressive, very impressive.

Its impressive that you've organized so much information. I've only skimmed over the threads after reading your initial post, Welcome to the Unpossible Future... The AGI Manhattan Project. and haven't visited any of the links. To examine them all and to then try to make sense of it would take months if not years, just as you have done. I will make a few comments though.

First, without supporting documentation and such, some of what you're saying will be perceived as speculation, sometimes wild speculation, and personal opinion. So I think it important that you clarify which is fact and which is an opinion.

Second, while there is much ado about the whole lot of it, and the subversive, negative aspects, and villian-like characteristics, and characters, I think its also plausible that some of the people and their intentions have good intentions, meant to serve a good purpose, through admirable means, etc. I think its important to recognize those distinctions, rather than throw out the baby with the bathwater, and speak out against everything, attack all their efforts.

Technology is here to stay, its not going to go away, its important to understand that, and rather than fight all technological development, make the distinction between what is good and what is bad. Where potentially detrimental aspects and abuse is found, sure, speak out and warn against it, but you should also do more. Speak about ways and means of protection, prevention, repealing poor policy, and point out what improvements are needed, better alternatives.

On that front, I think its important to avoid the use of violence in retribution, and using web-bots and things of that nature to poison the effectiveness of Google's as well as others, and the government's data collection, including all the social networking sites, Facebook, even ATS, and cloud computing, to attack those systems could be considered cyber-terrorism and computer intrusion, you could find yourself in a lot of trouble. Don't go there.

And to get to the point, the real reason I decided to respond. I think you should compile your work into a comprehensive book before pursuing a movie. In writing your book, given the narrow perspective of you being a single individual, toss your thoughts on the individual issues out to the community one at a time so as not to overwhelm everyone, and hear the arguments. You'll probably find that some of your writings might need to be corrected or otherwise improved upon. Getting input from others before you put your pen to paper for the last revision is most important, and where applicable, include the involvement and content provided from those participants.

Aside from ATS, which has a certain notoriety about it, there are writers workshops filled with arm-chair editors willing to pick apart your materials. In preparing your book, if a movie is your ultimate goal, you can find editing tools to simultaneously develop your work in the form of a movie script.

Lastly, I will refer you to a website who's purpose is to help fund small business ventures. Interestingly enough, there is a good level of interest and funding that takes place in regard to book-writing and movie development. I haven't been a long time user of the site but I did review the activity for most all the projects listed on their site a couple weeks ago.

Participants partake in supporting the projects voluntarily, not as investors hoping to cash in, although you might find some parties willing to offer their support through various other ways and means, beyond, outside the realm of the website's workings as well. On the website itself, people pledge their donations in exchange for all sorts of rewards. In the case of a book or movie, it might be in exchange for a signed copy of the book or CD, a meeting with the author/producer, a ticket to the premier, or in lieu of any piecemeal rewards.

Here's the link: Kickstarter.com

Google's progress maybe isn't such a bad idea...and if I do end up making an "Automated Untelligence Application" (AUA for short ) I'll give you a PM.

i'm all for that and Google needs to be taken down a peg or two and i know just the way to do it but i can not do it alone but i'm sure if it got going then a lot of people would join in and Google will get the message to get out of our faces.

Yes, if your smart you will even know how google could look at it's logs to know who making this post.

I agree we are going forwards much too fast and need to slow down and reflect on where we are going with the internet and this technoligy and will be happy to play my part.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
www.dailymotion.com...
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Yes very good indeed but it took too long to get going and then to me it was a bit over done with the special effects hitting you all in one big go.

i've used movie maker myself and that was way above anything i could produce but it needs voice and not just music blasting away with a load of flashing images, as good as they were.

i'm going to go and read your work because it seems to be up my street and it's good to see someone is making an effort in anycase and don't forget to release a torrent and seed it because that will get just as many hit's as you will ever get from Youtube.

Regards

Liebuster

Automated Untelligence - Dictionary Edition

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/149d649182e6.jpg[/atsimg]

EDIT: Made a thread on it: www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 26/7/10 by CHA0S]

Originally posted by togetherwestand
anyways ive looked through your myspace but im still having trouble finding that link, it was from 2005 i think..

Well I used to write a lot of stuff like that, but you might be talking about this:
NEU-ARK GENESIS II

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Thanks you for your insights. Sorry about taking so long to respond.

I have a growing list of solutions that I will get to as I get past the current phase of propagation I'm caught up in.

I don't advocate violence, or hacking. My software proposals are but a mere annoyance. Sawdust in the gearbox, but not a wrench in the gears. One version has a bot do nonsensical search queries, sure. The bigger effort has to go into creating content across the web that is semantically confusing to their "mind of god". The establishment has already been engaged in war against us and we can't sit back and do nothing. This front is one the most important solutions to the problem.

I've definitely thought about a book. But there simply isn't time. This dataset needs to be permeated ASAP. It'd take a month just doing footnotes. It takes 6 months to a year for a 'completed' book to make it to bookshelves. I'm considering doing it after, a have several books worth of writings 'published' and not. But at the moment neither DARPA nor AGI are memes. This must change.

But I definitely appreciate your advice and am keeping it all in mind thanks

hey i came to you word press recently just saw you took my input, thanks for hearing me out, its not bad, i think it could look better but its fine if thats all you could get, anyways its much easier to navigate.

lol lets hope your films can get you rich in the future

or at least... madmax rich