Corexit Tied To 'Dengue Fever' In Florida?

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With little fanfare on July 13, Florida officials released the findings of a Centers for Disease Control (CDC) study conducted recently in the Key West area revealing that about 10 percent, or 1,000 people, of the coastal town's population are infected with the dengue fever virus.

Dengue fever is a virus-based disease spread by the bites of mosquitoes. It can be caused by any one of four separate but related viruses carried by infected mosquitoes, most commonly the mosquito Aedes aegypti, found in tropic and subtropic areas. It is commonly found in Southeast Asia, South and Central America, Indonesia and sub-Saharan Africa. Over the past several decades it has been consistently reported that dengue fever has been eradicated in North America. Dengue hemorrhagic fever is a far more severe form of the dengue virus. If untreated, it can be fatal. The chief symptoms of dengue fever are a high fever, severe headache, strong pain behind the eyes, joint, muscle and bone pain, easy bruising, rash and mild bleeding from the nose and gums. There is no cure or vaccine for dengue fever. One can only treat the symptoms in such ways as getting plenty of rest, drink plenty of water, take pain relievers with acetaminophen and promptly consult a skilled physician.

Unknown to most Americans is that dengue fever has been the intense focus of US Army and CIA biological warfare researchers for over 50 years. Ed Regis notes in his excellent history of Fort Detrick, "The Biology of Doom," that as early as 1942 leading biochemists at the installation placed dengue fever on a long list for serious consideration as a possible weapon. In the early 1950s, Fort Detrick, in partnership with the CIA, launched a multi-million dollar research program under which dengue fever and several addition exotic diseases were studied for use in offensive biological warfare attacks. Assumably, because the virus is generally not lethal, program planners viewed it primarily as an incapacitant. Reads one CIA Project Artichoke document: "Not all viruses have to be lethal ... the objective includes those that act as short-term and long-term incapacitants." Several CIA documents, as well as the findings of a 1975 Congressional committee, reveal that three sites in Florida, Key West, Panama City and Avon Park, as well as two other locations in central Florida, were used for experiments with mosquito-borne dengue fever and other biological substances.

The timing of this outbreak of dengue fever presents two additional problems; the symptoms of dengue fever are very similar to that of exposures to chemicals such as those contained in crude oil and the dispersants currently being used in the contaminated areas of the Gulf of Mexico, potentially making it difficult to diagnose the source of a sufferer's symptoms. Worse yet, there looms the possibility that Corexit and other toxins present in the Gulf area may weaken the immune system, thus, setting the stage for more severe forms of the disease in people who are, or have previously been, exposed to the virus.

Numerous reports have come in from both residents of the Gulf area and journalists visiting the area that many people who are exposed to the water are beginning to experience health problems. Among the most commonly reported symptoms are burning eyes, skin rashes, lightheadedness, dizziness, difficulty breathing, transient numbness and shooting pains, persistent coughing, sore throats, muscle and bone aches, weakness and severe fatigue. More troubling reports, such as those of the shrimpers mentioned above, have included bleeding from the nose and from the rectum, as well as permanent numbness in extremities and complete loss of the sense of smell. It is generally accepted in the medical literature that, although the initial, acute presentation of toxic exposure is generally the most severe, symptoms may linger indefinitely or even result in permanent damage to the body.

Herein lies the dilemma: If a Gulf resident becomes ill, to what do we attribute his or her symptoms? In addition to the dispersants themselves, Gulf residents are potentially suffering from exposure to benzene and other toxic chemicals that are naturally present in crude oil, as well as several potentially toxic gases being released from the well. In combination with the dispersant, the exact toxicity risk of these chemicals remains unknown.

One big problem I have with this is that 'dengue fever' has ties to biological warefare.

So, if "they" wanted to really get rid of folks, "they" could...oh, I don't know...drop some infected mosquitoes around the Gulf, make more people sick, and blame it on BP...

ETA: Not to imply that BP is innocent in anything!

This also got me thinking that if "they" wanted to make this oil spill seem worse than it is, this would do it.

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Wow, talk about insult to injury, how bad can this thing get? Right into our worse nightmares it seems. These type of outbreaks only grow exponentially too no? This has the makings of becoming an epidemic it seems. Now with weakened immune systems, the people have yet another concern regarding their well being. Man I hope this is just isolated events, but something tells me it will not be. Blessings to the Gulf residents....

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Very interesting... maybe (outlandish idea) BP brought the infected mosquitoes over in order to make it seem as though people who are really sick from core-exit are really sick from the mosquitoes, and thus avoid paying out large sums of money for liability claims.

My knees ache in Pennsylvania. I guess it is time to sue BP. It doesn't matter that I have had several operations on both knees, they didn't start acting up before the oil spill and they are acting up now. Who do I see about a lawyer?

Get real.

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Maybe you should have read the story before you responded.

reply to post by Tha Girl They Call Roc


I did.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
reply to post by Tha Girl They Call Roc

 

I did.

Well, then you'd know that this is not about suing BP or blaming BP - it's about something that could potentially make it extremely hard to determine how to medically treat sick people and make it all worse.

That's nasty. Now as well as West Nile Virus, another mosquito illness to worry about making its way thru. And quite possibly engineered (or helped to make worse?) by man.

I would expect this mosquito type disease to work its way out of the tropical climate as did west nile. Mosquitoes have been getting tougher, I noticed this year as the snow was melting, and still on the ground, we had mosquitoes. It was still very cold, I am on the 53 parallel.

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Excellent subject matter and excellent post.

In my humble opinion, Corexit will be with us in a negative way for some time to come. It has already contaminated many and my greatest fear is that the coming hurricane is going to sling that stuff all around and up into the heartland of America and most likely up into Canada.

With the Corexit being so toxic, after such a hurricane, it will be anyone's guess how that turns out.

Animal, plant, water sources, and human damage could be wide spread in the months and years afterward. As such, it is a good idea to keep the public informed about the potential for health consequences from Corexit exposure.

Anyway, thanks for the post. I for one found it a good read.

Interesting post. Well written and good facts. Your theories towards the
end are out of the box as well. I believe the Dengue fever issue is probably
unrelated though. It has been gradually getting worse in that area even before the spill. Puerto Rico is having trouble with Dengue fever this year too.
Dengue fever is not always fatal but rather debilitating. Not the best choice for
depopulation. Could wear down your enemies though.
But who knows, it seems anything is possible these days.

S&F

Originally posted by Tha Girl They Call Roc
Well, then you'd know that this is not about suing BP or blaming BP - it's about something that could potentially make it extremely hard to determine how to medically treat sick people and make it all worse.

Want to bet? Everything from cancer to impotence that happens in that area will be blamed on BP for years to come.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Want to bet? Everything from cancer to impotence that happens in that area will be blamed on BP for years to come.

Maybe.

But I wouldn't want to get a mosquito bite and get treated for chemical exposure, and I wouldn't want to get chemical exposure and get treated for a mosquito bite.

It seems to me like the media wants to confuse the real issues, and distract us with all these other things. I believe they want us all to keep panicking. It looks like they are trying to keep it going and make it larger-than-life.

I don't know why... yet.

I stare and flagged your OP because I think that if there is ANY chance that there is truth to this, it needs to be spread.

However: I am also cautious. I looked up the authors and they seem to primarily write on anti-government websites. That doesn't mean they aren't legite...but the article has NO documentation to back it up. There are no links, no credit given for info, NOTHING.

I did some searching myself because the info is so alarming. I went straight to the claimed source, the CDC. As the OP article stated, there is a paper that dates testing back to 2009. There is a website that tracks any new cases in florida. unlike the OP post, I will provide the LINK to it.

For those that don't like to read, here is a snippet:

Dengue Acquired in Florida: Seventeen cases of dengue have been reported as acquired in Key West in 2010. Of these, 14 are Key West residents, two are residents of other Florida counties, and one resides out of state. Onset dates ranged from March 17 to June 28, 2010.

So while I find the whole theory extremely alarming and interesting, I do not find the source credible. I will reference the linked website though to see if there is a trended upswing in cases. The corexit supressing the immune system is something that anyone living down there should be aware of!



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I read about this yesterday. It only makes sense. The Yellow fever outbreak of 1793 was spread via mosquitos. I dont think many people realized how bad this can all really get. Mosquitos area bad all around that area anyway. The gulf waters are contaminated with an oil/corexit slury that people dont think anything about because it doesnt LOOK like oil, AND add the amount of sealife that is dead because of the contamination. The mosquitos are born and bread in those waters. The corexit/oil slury causes red blood cells to hemorage. Dead, decayed/ing sealife floating in or the bacteria from them floating in breads pestulance. Now play mad scientist and combine it all and pass it around via mosquitos.

Are people really going to be so ignorant to say the two (dengue and the gulf disaster) are not connected? Are people really going to continue believing that they are immune to any effects from this?

COMMON SENSE PEOPLE use it.

Originally posted by mrsdudara
I read about this yesterday. It only makes sense. The Yellow fever outbreak of 1793 was spread via mosquitos. I dont think many people realized how bad this can all really get. Mosquitos area bad all around that area anyway. The gulf waters are contaminated with an oil/corexit slury that people dont think anything about because it doesnt LOOK like oil, AND add the amount of sealife that is dead because of the contamination. The mosquitos are born and bread in those waters. The corexit/oil slury causes red blood cells to hemorage. Dead, decayed/ing sealife floating in or the bacteria from them floating in breads pestulance. Now play mad scientist and combine it all and pass it around via mosquitos.



COMMON SENSE PEOPLE use it.

Yes, indeed, you may want to take your own advice on the common sense.
the vast majority of breeds of most mosquitos dont breed in salt water. and none breed in water with an oil sheen. Does the article mention that these are a highly evolved breed of mosquito that breeds in oily salt water?

because THAT would be news.

Are people really going to be so ignorant to say the two (dengue and the gulf disaster) are not connected? Are people really going to continue believing that they are immune to any effects from this?

I'm sorry, are those two sentences supposed to be related to each other?

You are saying that by 'denying' that dengue fever is directly connected to the Gulf spill (which is purely speculation at this point, not confirmed fact) that one is pretending that the Gulf spill is 'no big deal'?

Sigh. Truth drowns in a sea of ZOMG!ers.

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No, actually a mosquito will breed in any stagnant water. Does not matter if it is salt, fresh.

Did you know that the oil has flowed up and is now in Lake Pontchartrain? There is no invisible force field that keeps the oil or oil/corexit slurry from comming in to the wetlands, marshes, even up river.

As for the whole oil sheen thing, they have tested plenty of water that had no sheen and there is plenty of oil in it anyway. Thanks to the corexit you cant see it.

I am and educated zOMGer thank you. If you must drown do so in my abundant knowledge.

I will use my common sense, thanks, along with my noggin.

After a person is infected with dengue or whatever, it spreads person to person via mosquitos. That is why they were worried about the people traveling afterwards. I know that just because I am in Missouri I am not immune to what is going on down there.

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Originally posted by mrsdudara
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No, actually a mosquito will breed in any stagnant water. Does not matter if it is salt, fresh.

I'm not too convinced about mosquitoes breeding in salt water. Apparently some do, but the question is not totally settled:

msucares.com...

www.mosquitoes.net...

Now, I spent many years living by the beach in California, and have never heard of saltwater mosquitoes.

Also, we have an extensive rainwater catchment system where i live which we drop a very tiny bit of oil into to prevent mosquitoes from breeding. It works like a charm. So dengue-fever spreading mosquitoes being "Directly" connected to corexitt and crude seems a bit of a leap at the moment.

Did you know that the oil has flowed up and is now in Lake Pontchartrain? There is no invisible force field that keeps the oil or oil/corexit slurry from comming in to the wetlands, marshes, even up river. As for the whole oil sheen thing, they have tested plenty of water that had no sheen and there is plenty of oil in it anyway. Thanks to the corexit you cant see it.

And you are presenting this information to me as if I have argued otherwise, why?

After a person is infected with dengue or whatever, it spreads person to person via mosquitos. That is why they were worried about the people traveling afterwards. I know that just because I am in Missouri I am not immune to what is going on down there.

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Still not seeing how you thinks its automatically a clear-cut connection between the oil spill/gusher/leak and this alleged 'outbreak' of dengue fever.

can you clarify that for me?

The mosquitos are born and bread in those waters. The corexit/oil slury causes red blood cells to hemorage. Dead, decayed/ing sealife floating in or the bacteria from them floating in breads pestulance. Now play mad scientist and combine it all and pass it around via mosquitos.

I see, so these mosquitoes breed in the water that is full of dead stuff because its full of corexitt and so these mosquitoes breed on the oily corexitt water that KILLS EVERYTHING! (except mosquitoes?).


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I am an Alaska guy and I can say we PAID to have oil ( and DDT prolly) sprayed over the marshland to lower the skeeter count during the sixties.
I can't remember the amount but the layer of oil that will disrupt skeeter larvae is less than a mm I do believe.
I am as ready to look for BP's hand in many dirty deeds but this is not likely one save as one poster mentioned Dengue is very similar to exposure to Corexit and could be the "Corexit" solution to minimizing oil exposure cases as Corexit hides the oil, So Dengue would confuse the illnesses. I think watching for any uptick in Dengue would be indicative if said info were accurate. I believe however if it is to the point they are actually infecting folks on purpose then we won't be getting good info as the agencies reporting will be involved.
The similarity of symptoms is the disturbing aspect of this and what IMO makes it deserve a sit on the back burner with an eye on it. Just a damn strange coincidence that it is Dengue and it mimics Corexit? Don't know,but I would not even have lifted an eye were it west nile or some other disease.
Worth S&F and an eye on this at least if only to put it to rest. Time will tell, unfortunately for those in the gulf and the big unknown of their outcome weighs heavy on compassionate folks. I think under such shady circumstances so far. Being a bit hair trigger on an issue may save lives at some point given the quality of information afforded those impacted to date.
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