I am one of the "parasites" on unemployment benefit who is draining your income

It's time to wake up. Many of you will never work again in this economy. That is the prediction of several expert economists. The destruction of the economy has been planned IMHO. It's obvious that globalist policies will always shift manufacturing and jobs to those countries with the worst human rights records and the worst labor laws.

The only way to compete will be to mimic this behavior and turn everyone into serfs or indentured servants. Feudalism is back with a vengeance.

The remnant of free democratic societies needs to organize and to oppose the concept of globalism. Tariffs need to be raised and the tax burden moved away from small businesses and the middle class. Unfortunately that's where all the money is that can be easily stolen, since they have no advocates, no pressure groups and no real lobbyists in the corridors of power.

Your best hope is to retrain, and become self sufficient in some way. Forget the paper pushing jobs, they will be phased out. Grow your own food perhaps or even leave your dying countries. The world still has opportunities, but perhaps more so elsewhere.

Get a haircut, and get a real job.

Damn Hippies.

I built up my own business, providing mortgage and financial advice many years ago after being disillusioned with eh corporate and slave type system of paid employment in the UK.

I moved into that after doing mental health work when younger, and going to university for a second time afterwards, and not finding work from it.

I struggled for many years building up a client base, and only got an income when deals went through as such. No sick pay, no paid holidays totally responsible for covering all of my expenses and other life costs including business ones, paying silly taxes to.

Things at last started to turn rosy, and unlike the rest in financial services I saw the issues that led to the recent collapse well before hand, as I wrote about on here and elsewhere. I warned my clients and the ones who took my advise were as best as they could be protected from the drop in house values and high personal debt.

At last around 5 years ago things were very much up on the up, and I started to enjoy and enjoy an increasing and growing income with huge amounts of referrals feeding through as I had built up an name as being honest, and not hitting clients for one sale and leaving them scratching their heads a few years later when they needed to refinance.

A couple of life events though happened, the main one being my caregiver when younger developed some Psychiatric issues, they were in real danger of being taken out of the community, and needed lots of care and support for their safety. I helped out as much as I could which grew and grew until before I knew it I was spending more time unpaid with my previous mental health experience enabling me to keep them in the community. I obviously could not spend time I needed on my business.

I approached all the care agencies,Nhs, Gp's etc Psychiatrists, Social Workers demanding support for the person, that I couldn’t do it and warned them of the effects it was having on my life, income and career etc. I was basically in council speak and politicians silver tongued lies told that it was as it was, funding was not there and if crisis that’s had happened kept occurring in the persons life, and someone was not there namely me to deal with it, to enable them to live safely in the community they would removed from the community.

A real crisis on top of a few others occurred which meant over a 6 month period I spent 90 -100 hours a week ensuring that persons safety around 4 years ago. I couldn’t see any of my clients, I was dipping into my savings to meet my commitments, begging for support and help from the state. Just promises "change will happen soon" (where have we heard that since?)

I never changed, I couldn’t abandon my family member, they protected me and gave me a home when I could easily have ended up in an children’s home when an infant if it was not for their love. I owed it to them, but so did the state they had worked their entire lives paid their dues and taxes.

I ended up with an unpaid credit card bill, which went to court and I couldt pay it due to the situation, I explained the reason, however a judgement was issued against me.

I had therefore had to stop immediately all further business activity in the financial services arena, and inform he FSA and put my license on hold.

My business and client base therefore was worthless to me from that point onwards as I couldn’t service it.

10 years of hard work, honesty, struggling, paying my way, my business all lost because the UK government would rather pay £350 a day to keep someone institutionalised than pay £350 a week in wages to pay for carers/support in the community!

I received then for 3 years £60 a week in carers allowance to do the work of 3 people and using the skills of an Psychiatric Nurse. Lost my car, home, free time, and nearly sanity myself.

Eventually around the end of last year the person had to go into secure accommodation for their own safety as I had to sleep and couldn’t be awake 24 hours an day.

I approached the job centre an was told I had made myself voluntarily unemployed when I made those choices some years ago!

They "sanctioned" my claim for 6 months refusing to pay me a penny in income support of job seekers allowance. I was homeless broke and almost broken. I appealed again and again to be told each time no, I am persistent and on my last appeal to claim for the unpaid benefits for the 5 months previously I was told 2 days before the six months was up the appeal had been "lost" somewhere, and it was now to late to appeal as the six months had passed!

I have had an job for the last 3.5 months. I don’t like it is less money than I have earned for 18 years. My skill set etc do not suit me to it and I am one of the oldest people in the dept except for the operations managers. Teenagers earn the same as me.

I have to travel 4 hours an day on train and buses to get there and back which takes up over 1/4 of my income after tax. I had my 6 months probationary period extended as I was late just once since starting as a lorry hit a train bridge and the railways stopped any more services until an engineer inspected it. I was 22 minutes late.

If for example I start at 8.15 am I have to leave before 6am and on that shift finish at 6.45pm and get home after 10pm in the night, if I am lucky and can run to the train station on time for the train, otherwise I have to wait a further 1 hour for the train.

Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs week just gone I was on a 10 am till 10.10pm shift. I had to wake by 7 am, to ensure the train that gets close by work at 9.30 am is caught. The last/next train back to the city where I live is 10:38pm which gets me to my city at 11.40pm.

The last bus has then left the town centre so I have had to walk home after that for a further 45 mins to 1hour. The weather has been awful and I have been soaked through each night when getting back. By the time I iron some clothes have an shower, prepare packed lunch for next day as cant afford fast food canteen, I have been sitting down at 1 to 1.15 am.

For it to all start the next morning.

I have two days of a week and sleep for the entire first day almost to catch up.

I cant save money to move closer, and anyhow they credit check you now to get rental properties, and the government ensured that is now impossible for me. Anyhow I am not even sure of the job as on probation still for another six months.

I cant get HP on a car even though it would give me back 10 hours or more of my life a week, the government made sure of that.

I cant work in the industry where I am being offered 3 times my current salary and being approached and get a car free to, the government made sure of that.

I could never leave the job even though it is impossible to get there and back by public transport at least twice a month I start at 8am on an Sunday, there is no trains buses to get me there for then, and I have to spend an entire days wages, work for nothing to get an taxi to a place that will get to a train that gets me there on time.

I could never leave, as I would then be making myself voluntarily unemployed and would be "sanctioned" and have no benefits food money and be homeless, and searching with millions of others to for work, with an tarnished CV.

There are jobs out there, but the reality of what they entail may be uncomfortable for some. I have had to swallow a lot of pride, which though is good and have learnt and grown much.

When I look in the mirror in the morning and night no matter how tired, frustrated I am I know I am doing all I can to be a man and provide for myself. I am not giving up no matter how hard it is.

I am not relying on anyone else except myself, which that comes not pride, but dignity.....

and maybe a little bit of grace.

Do I feel sorry for myself...

Hell no I am grateful every morning I have the health to work, even though I could easily have jumped on the DLA bandwagon (which some older members of ats may know from some events I have shared once or twice in my past,lots of my body is titanium!)

I am grateful that even in my predicament I live like a king, I have a free mind, I can read, think etc, and besides the time of enslaved in work I am free.

I sometimes cannot believe how lucky I am that I live like a king, or prince compared to the 2/3rds of humanity that today live on $1 a day or less, starve, have no access to medical treatments, suffer pests disease dirty water and war.

It brings tears to my eyes that I am so fortunate compared to most of humanity who suffer in hell on earth every day in what we call the "third" world, which infact should be called the "two thirds of the world"

I appreciate the education I had, I give thanks and praises that I didn’t end a vegetable like 99% of the people in the ICU unit when I was there, or the ones who couldn’t speak or communicate again, or walk.

When my body aches because of all the drilling, hacking, replacing, screwing, hammering that had to be done by the surgeons to give me a chance of life I welcome it and say thanks that I am aware of it, and can look at it that way, can still have my mind, personality and choices, that I can feel a bit sorry for myself in moments of extreme pain.

I am off today now and will visit that caregiver of mine in hospital and again will be moved that I am soo fortunate that I still have my sanity, mind and freedom both external and internal, as I see the misery of secure mental health units in the UK.

It is a Pleasure to work hard you see and pay taxes to pay the nurses who care for them.

It is a pleasure to pay taxes for the equipment and doctors who saved mine and others lives daily.

It is a pleasure to work so hard to pay taxes to support those who are genuinely unable to work.

If only I could redirect them to the starving children & those who walk 10 miles a day for clean water.

However paying taxes for Lords, Bankers, Nuclear Bombs, Wars and scroungers and the lazy are all in the same bracket for me.

Elf

reply to post by Muckster


Have you tried Fast Food or anything like that? I was making 45K a year when I was laid off. However, I have a family to support and my wife is bedridden. I tried to get jobs that I was qualified for and found the same thing you did. So I lowered myself to making $8/hour for a telemarketing firm. I work 45 hours a week to make what I normally made in 3 days. I have to spend more time away from my wife who needs me.

I have not gone on welfare however. As long as I am able to work I won't. I was on it once and it took me two years to get off it. Two years I went to county food shelves for food for my family. It was the most shameful and humiliating thing I have ever had to do. I don't like hand-outs, but I had a responcibility to my family... so I did it. But I worked my butt off to get out of it.

Many people who are used to making a lot of money feel it is beneath them to work at a lesser job. I had a woman friend whose husband made her work two jobs because he wouldn't take a job that was less than 50K a year.

What a loser.

In today's world you have to do what you have to do to survive. My only bitch is against those, and I know a few, who abuse the system. Who could work if they wanted to. In Idaho where I live they allow people to not work and give them free homes and food. My son-in-law, who hasn't worked in two years, said it best when he said, "Who wants to work when they pay for food and rent!?" He sits around the house playing video games; neither looking for nor wanting work.

I disowned him.

Life may suck... but I'll fight it to my dying breath.

Don't give up my friend. Lower your standards a bit, if that is what it takes, and get another job. I certainly can understand your situation and I so hope it improves for you.

ps. My biggest fantasy is to be 'Bill Gates rich' and just walk around looking for people who need help and helping them out. So he gives computers to schools and what not. All I know is that I wouldn't want to die with all that money in my pockets. I'd rather be known as the billionaire who gave the majority of my riches to the poor.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

The social services make this country what it is.

I'll agree with that right there. The rest you can keep.







[edit on 24-7-2010 by AwakeinNM]

Originally posted by zaper

Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Some of The poorest people live like kings compared to regular people in other countries.

yes, i agree.
your most poorest people will be kings comparated with regular people working in Mexico par example, or ecuador, bolivia, or choose any country in africa.

In all these countries there is not benefit programs, unemployement secures and the health social program is just a joke, they dont have even aspirins in rural locations!

when you are over 35 years age you are almost dead because at that age you dont exist for society or the government. To get a job in these circumstance is almost imposible. If you are unemployed you are alone in the path and nobody cares about it.
A lot of this unemployed people commits suicide because they dont want to live like a dog in the street ( of course a dog of these countries because dogs in usa are living like kings too)
Another of them ends working for gansters, narcos, protitution etc because they need the money.
All this is reflection of our corrupted and insensible world, this humanity is really living wrong.


Its the reason of people migrating (illegaly) to other countries to get better life expectatives.

I was the perfect worker in one of these countries until i was dismissed because of the economic crisis, i was paying a lot ot taxes, but that was never for benefit of most poor people than me, It was for the political machine. Its a insult the opulence in which they live while people lives in extreme poverty.

I dont like USA and his government but I think...

usa citizens are lucky to have a protection mechanism for the unemployed and the poorest people and at least part of his government committed to enforcing these regulations.


both sides unemployed people and people paying the benefit program taxes must be responsible and act with conscience.

Why don't you do something about the corruption in your country rather than coming here to escape it? Do you think the US can solve everyone's problems? We can't even solve our own.

op i'm on ya side alot hell we all been paying into this # from job#1 why can't we get some of our money back who every calls u a bum shame on them for being a salve..... and ssi come da # on most people who draw from it are vets.... they fought for the freedoms we took advantage of give em they cheese..... how can u get mad at american people when you payin salires of mf's that aint did # but said yay or nay.... op u ain't took # from me don't beat yaself down...... we got #ed as a nation no lube

reply to post by AwakeinNM


i 2nd that we gave billions to banks and i still see homeless people wtf our founding fathers are frowning upon this madness i'm sure

I'm what you might call a real scrounger, someone on Incapacity benefit and DLA, which I receive for being diagnosed with a form of Autusm.

Life on Benefits is NOT easy and is NOT fun. I would like one day to be able to work, but unfortunatly for me the work market isn't geared to understand the needs of people such as myself, so I would probably last a week if that.

I have a lot of self taught skills in IT which someone could probably put to use if they could handle my condition and my needs, BUT I do not have a piece of paper which says I can do these things, the same as the OP needs a license for so many jobs! In order for me to prove to a perspective employer I can say install an OS, remove viruses, install/remove hardware etc, I would need to pay well over £500 in college fees to gain the correct paper qualifications. Probably a lot MORE an for a minicab or security license.

Living on disability payments is no more fun than it is being disabled. There are hundreds of people on the same benefits as me who are claiming for a condition they do not have, and fleecing the country out of millions a year.

I would dare to hazard a guess that there are more fraudsters on benefits than legit claiments. Plus the teenage girls throwing a fake case od postpartum depression into their benefit bill after giving birth to their 5th kid to the 5th dad, in order to claim disability on top of everything else.

The excuses the fraudsters come up with when they get caught only act as proof of their guilt.

I say judge those people, call them scroungers, drains, bums etc, but you must also realise, some people on benefits are NOT these things.

i did write a detailed post but on submission turned out i mst've pressed new thread - as such it lost everything i wrote.

basically it was:

if you've worked since you were 18 and are over 50 - use the benefits you've paid your dues - its time for your payback

if not, get a job as a trolley porter, factory worker, sign up to agencys for temp jobs etc - stay there until you find something better. Theres always jobs available normally people turn there nose up at them or don't search hard enough i.e. care assistant (wiping old peoples bums), staying in the benefits for over 6 months makes you a parasite and will mean you lose peoples respect.

ps. i read somewhere that if you look for a similar job to your last one and you're unemployed your 70% less likely to get it

reply to post by keepithush


if you were just scraping by with one kid why have another - or were they twins? - also lie on your cv about grades as companies can't check them (apart from uni degrees) providing you have the nounce to back it up.

also you are probably better off on the benefits than you would be in a minimal wage job so where's you're drive to get a better job? thats why they're decreasing it.

I'm a big fan of work for you're benefits - i.e. you get your benefits as you do now but you have to do ciommunity tasks that equate to that value in wages like street cleaning, grass cutting etc

or

Remove monetary benefits and give out food/clothing vouchers

I think the majority of working uk peeps will agree with the above

reply to post by Muckster

This is my first post on ATS. I've been a reader for a long time. This is a topic that I need to get involved in. To the OP--I feel your pain!! I had a great job repairing slot machines. I left my job for another job which "fell through". I applied at McDonalds for a burger job, and had the manager (a teenage punk) tell me that he couldn't hire me because I wasn't qualified!!! My first thought was----I can replace the flux capacitor in your time machine. Then my humor went away as I learned that this kid doesn't even know what I was making a joke about. Bottom line: I can rebuild your television----but I'm not qualified to make your double quarter pounder!!!!

I live in the UK and I'm constantly amazed by the frequent reference to CVs. Maybe it's just my area of work but they usually state 'no CVs'. Instead I have to fill in a long winded application form every time.
Gone are the days when you could switch jobs on a whim. I was 5 months unemployed. Employers told me they were getting so many applications, it was almost impossible to short list even.
I used most of my savings on paying the mortgage and ended up finding a 3 day job just as the mortgage help would have kicked in. At the time, this was also a low paid job and temporary. Taking into account travelling costs, I was earning little more than I would have got on JSA and council tax benefit. But I wanted to get myself out of the system. I got a pay rise but it still doesn't pay all the bills. I am having to drip feed my income with the last of my savings. Fortunately I am due a superannuation pay out in a month or so.
This is what it is like now. Employers have cut staffing and those in a job are having to work harder and longer. My 3 day job is a full time job in disguise and I have to do extra unpaid to keep up.
All I can say is 'be creative'. Do handyman and cleaning jobs if necessary. Get everything you can out of the system. Look at the free training or business start up help available to anyone unemployed. Do some voluntary work. It might just sway a would be employer. And try not to take knock backs too personally. Some advertised jobs are already 'taken' - if you know what I mean. It shouldn't happen but it still does.
Good luck to anyone unemployed. We are not all scroungers.

[edit on 24-7-2010 by starchild10]

reply to post by sloppypeter


FYI--I am not receiving any benefits from the fed or state.

Originally posted by sloppypeter
reply to post by sloppypeter

 

FYI--I am not receiving any benefits from the fed or state.

If this was a response to my post, my post was a response to the OP. Sorry, should have made that clear.

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


Its actually a career development loan - to pay for training, its not work experience. You can apply while signing on, underwritten by the government so low/no risk to the bank giving it.....

If I remember the only criteria was that you had to prove you had been accepted onto a course/training.....

www.direct.gov.uk...

www.bank.barclays.co.uk...

www.co-operativebank.co.uk...

[edit on 24-7-2010 by slinkey10]

reply to post by starchild10
I agree with you ---take what you can. I'm about 2 weeks away from being homeless.

starchild---
my FYI post wasn't directed at anybody. I just wanted to let people know that I wasn't receiving any benefits. Please excuse me, I usually don't post on boards. I may screw some posts up. BUT I think I'm catching on!!!

I jumped in the middle of posts---sorry

reply to post by MischeviousElf


I just read your post and I am astounded.

I wish I could think of one thing that would make life easier for you, but I am at a loss. All the obvious things seem to be just beyond your grasp at the moment.

I really hope that you can get that one little breakthrough that signals your life is about to take a turn for the better. I get a feeling from your post that if anyone can pull themselves up and make a better life it would be you. Good luck.