Censored Gulf news: People bleeding internally, millions poisoned says 'EPA whistleblower'

Originally posted by antar
This is BIG:
Matt Simmons Video:

www.washingtonpost.com...

You HAVE to watch this! Bloomberg cuts him off but youll get the picture.

I would take his words with a pinch of salt. Much airtime has been given to this guy and a lot of sensationalistic words have been spoken. Information is one thing, hype and speculation is another.

Must Listen: Matt Simmons on King World News
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Wed, 07/21/2010 - 13:02
in Daily Paul Liberty Forum
This interview was posted earlier this week, but I didn't get to listen to it until today.

Whistleblowers have been contacting Matt Simmons. These are a few of the bombshells from his interview...

Matt Simmons: "If it were my family I would evacuate now, while you still have time."

Matt Simmons: "It could be one of the greatest losses of life we've certainly ever had from a natural non-war disaster."

Matt Simmons: "They've stopped the riser leak."

Eric King: "Is that the real leak?"

Matt Simmons: "Is that relevant, no. No, that's a leak, the others a gusher...I'm not sure a trillion dollars will clean up the gulf..."

If you're keeping up on the BP disaster, this is a must listen:

www.dailypaul.com...

Catch this fast because it is being pulled from all the other sources it hit yesterday...

reply to post by antar


You know, it is almost as if everyone wants to believe that this disaster is the 'big one' we have all been waiting for. It isn't and what is needed most is clear and factual dialogue to discern the magnitude of the Gulf oil spill.

This guy has been propagating doom and gloom for weeks. It makes for good tv and newspaper stories. Go back to people like the marine toxicologist who appeared in a video posted a few pages back.

reply to post by antar


And with respect, Mr Simmons made the same remarks (possibly the same story repeated) weeks ago. By suggesting that this is being pulled from other sources infers that Mr Simmons is on some kind of watch list. This is not the case and he makes for good hype-style stories. Why perpetuate this any further?

Larry do you really think that you are being the voice of reason or just spouting what make you personally feel secure?

I HIGHLY suggest you head over to the Hurricane watch thread and stay tuned there for any potential risks that a hurricane will cause, it may just change your thoughts on this potential disaster of monumental porportions.

I for one believe the experts who are saying that the levels of methane alone if a hurricane comes will warrant massive evacuations of the Gulf Coast.

I may be wrong, God only knows I pray that in a few months from now we will be reporting the levels have subsided and that the danger is past.

But until then I am going to continue to bring this wretched information to the public in the best way I can.

Stand me up in a firing line if you must but I will not be silenced!

As long as there is a potential for human sickness and or death, I will continue.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by antar]

reply to post by antar


Without taking this to a personal level, my security is in the knowledge that sensationalism should be avoided at all costs. Most recently we have seen what a blog has managed to do and what I don't see happening in the US is large volumes of people demanding answers to hitherto unanswered questions. Much time on air and many lines in print have been dedicated to hyped stories that are designed to sell. Present the information, but offer something other than Kremlin rumours and Matt Simmons and his big leaking hole.

Another thread of people blowing off the positive news and parading around the negative "news."

This really is such nonsense.

Post from credible sources please.

What has ATS come to?

reply to post by SaosinEngaged


Because credible news sources have become infrequent it seems of late. I agree, this kind of hype does no one any good.

i think all BP executives should be required to eat the fish from the gulf, where they have said there is no contamination.

Originally posted by justadood
Wow. So you admit you raced to start a thread (for stars and flags??) instead of taking a bit of time to fact-check it first?

noted and ignored.

Well, there are a number of factors involved when it comes to getting "breaking news" to ATS.
One factor is that ATS does urge people to actually run an ATS Search so to find out if someone else hasn't posted it first...In the rush to perform a Search, it's possible that a poster doesn't think of similar search-terms to what might actually be in an existing post.

Another factor is put out by the ATS Breaking News policies: If it's older than a certain period of time, then it can't go into the Breaking News category. This is reasonable, because I think the time limit is 72 hours (correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't remember the exact time limit right now). Even though there are other topics which are available to post "old news," the natural human tendency would be to get the news posted as quickly as possible.

Another factor is that, even after the news source is posted on ATS, it is quite reasonable to expect that the original news posted becomes obsolete even as more followup information is discovered & older info is being discussed in a thread here. Therefore, it is not really reasonable to tell the OP that he/she has been consistently "changing his mind" about the news-source...Because the original news sources will change in & of themselves as they continue with the followup too. It's a primary maxim that the first headline/story to get out is not going to be the end of the story itself. So, there will be additional news sources coming available as other Media latch onto the story & get their own investigators/writers on it. Of course, when multiple news sources are vying for the same basic story, even their information and/or writing styles/bias is going to be different.

Trying to condemn an OP with "changing" everything due to any one reason or another, even when he/she is keeping up with the followup is not a very fair attitude to present. Let's try to keep a little bit of reasonable logic, even if the subject matter itself invites emotional responses...

[edit on 25-7-2010 by MidnightDStroyer]

reply to post by Midnight DEStroyer


Thank You so much for your Knightly and shiveralist attitude, It is rare to find people who champion the messenger.

Your post makes perfect sense and is a logical insight.

I will as stated before continue to bring as much information on this subject as I can until the time comes we can all put this behind us, so far that time has not come.

Thank you.

reply to post by jimmyx


Did you see the video piece floating around with the crabs who were contaminated and dying? They were actually leaving the ocean rather than feel the effects of the contamination.

That is a real heartbreaker and it is in my opinion the sea creatures are far more sensitive to this disaster than any chemical test that can be performed.

reply to post by MidnightDStroyer


While I agree with what you say , I don't agree with tripe sensationalism that follows in a lot of these Gulf disaster threads. Mainstream media will always seek an attention grabbing headline to boost viewer ratings or sell more newspapers, but ATS should discern fact from fiction and continue the debate with more journalistic integrity.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

 

While I agree with what you say , I don't agree with tripe sensationalism that follows in a lot of these Gulf disaster threads. Mainstream media will always seek an attention grabbing headline to boost viewer ratings or sell more newspapers, but ATS should discern fact from fiction and continue the debate with more journalistic integrity.

I agree with what you say about the media...but you also seem to ignore what I said about the time factor involved. Not only does the media put out their info before ALL the facts are in, but it also takes time to "fact check" everything...Simply because not all facts are in at the time the media has to go to press/publishing! And all this is even BEFORE anyone has any kind of chance to beat the ATS deadline to post here too! So yeah, sensationalism will get through, but it's up to the reader to filter it out, because it's the reader that can take the time, without any of the deadlines to consider.

As the old saying goes, "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder," but I think it could be extended to include "sensationalism is in the eyes of the reader," too. The government knows this little quirk of human nature too...Why do you think it's so easy for them & their pet-MSM to play the role of "fear-mongering?"

Pointing out the senstionalism in the news is not news itself...It's not constructive to the goal of following up for the facts.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by MidnightDStroyer]

reply to post by MidnightDStroyer


Yes, you are right it is the readers responsibility to filter fact from hype, but I think the Breaking News aspect to ATS fosters the same traits as mainstream media. We all want to be first to break a story.

I do think the Gulf disaster threads have become a little over-the-top and would like us to cut some wheat from the chaff.

**BREAKING** Feds: Seepage likely from the RIGEL WELL — A ‘highly successful’ unproduced gas field (VIDEO)

Transcript of Adm. Thad Allen’s July 23 briefing on BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil well, McClatchy, July 23, 2010:

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com...

reply to post by antar


Alright, I have no idea why this has to perpetuate like this, but you are now 'breaking' stories from random blogs with little credence.

Idea: First hand accounts from people in the Gulf or seek the perspective of more informed sources who have verifiable credentials.

LARRY

This is what I have said and suspected all along, that the 'contracts ' were prearranged back room deals to use correxit!

From the press conference above:


The other
disappointment I had was that there seemed to be a belief that because they
had a supply of Correxit, that was the reason not to necessarily order
something else. And if indeed we determine that there's another option out there, everything
we know about this response to date and everything the president has told us
to do is to plan for the worst. So, I think about needing to have dispersant on
hand a month from now rather than the month we just finished.

"Everything the President has told us to do is to plan for the worst"

Larry:

"Those who evacuate now will have a greater chance at survival." ~ Kimberly Dawley and AC Griffith

Dr. Riki Ott, toxicologist and humanitarian, has advised that three tough choices exist for Gulf Coast residents: 1) Leave, 2) Stay and wear a respirator, or 3) Become painfully il. EPA whistleblower, Hugh Kaufman explained this week that the "dispersant," Corexit, is meant to cause internal bleeding and IntelHub reports today, on Day 100 of the catastrophe, that evidence of acid rain and human suffering due to chemicals has become so clear, it is logically impossible to discredit it, yet a media black-out continues, enforced by black ops.

Gulf chemicals killing humans


"Independent investigative journalist, Dahr Jamail, stated that the air was so chemically laden that you could smell and TASTE chemicals in the air! Headaches and shortness of breath have been reported by hundreds of people, yet we are still being told that the air quality is safe," reports Alex Thomas of IntelHub.

"The evidence is CLEAR CUT, Corexit kills... People are SUFFERING. Crabs have been video tapped attempting to crawl out of the water, with some already dead, floating belly up in the water."

Thomas alerts, "Free people throughout the world NEED to be aware of this situation in order for corrective measures to even begin to be put in place."


Many people say choosing to leave the poisoned Gulf area, where air, food and water is contaminated, "is a personal choice," and "People have free will." Disinformation is a weapon of war to control the enemy. When mainstream news media is prevented access to the Gulf coast and workers or broadcasts government propaganda based on Disinformation, it suppresses truth to control populations in need and those who could help. Free will is, therefore, no longer operational. Such is the power of advanced brainwashing, now refined into mind control. No population is immune to mind control targeting.

Larry:

Mind control exists specifically for behavior control, to remove free will. Aside from propaganda and TV, geophysical weapons, including aerosol chemical spraying and HAARP, are among the arsenal to control people to act against their best interest, the greatest evil of all human rights violations. Facts about the Gulf humanitarian crisis are being whitewashed to control minds of the people so that millions will be poisoned and millions of others will not reach out to stop the crime against humanity.

www.examiner.com...

There is no public health campaign protecting people from harm.

reply to post by antar


Okay, I have my misgivings about the use of Corexit too. I have stated in an earlier post that I believe Corexit is being used because they don't want miles of beaches sodden with oil. Bad for elections and bad for oil companies. I don't remember if it was you or not, but someone posted a video of a marine toxicologist who dived in the Gulf and her words were a foretelling for us all. I would like to see a concentration of efforts focused on this angle as I believe we should be encouraging informed voices on these threads.

When this whole saga plays out, I will put money on the fact that the Obama administration are equally complicit in the disaster relief.