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New UFO Footage from Northeast England 7-18-10
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Surely all it needs is for the team to go and replicate the events of the original video, preferably in daytime and take some bearings and photo's
etc.
At least then we may be able to dismiss some possibilities and agree that some may be viable.
Edit to add:
Oh, and I don't think anyone who has been involved this thread is a fool and it would be good if everyone remained respectful, a pleasant rarity these days on ATS.
[edit on 28/7/10 by Freeborn]
At least then we may be able to dismiss some possibilities and agree that some may be viable.
Edit to add:
Oh, and I don't think anyone who has been involved this thread is a fool and it would be good if everyone remained respectful, a pleasant rarity these days on ATS.
[edit on 28/7/10 by Freeborn]
Sorry Freeborn, just realised I put your name in brackets towards the end of my last post, I meant FireMoon, I have corrected.
Couple of screenshots of the locations:
I know its slightly forward of my original pic, but that was for sizing reasons, it still follows the same line.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/592acdbb3139.jpg[/atsimg]
Here is the link to the site again so you can look at the map
www.otterburnranges.co.uk...
Couple of screenshots of the locations:
I know its slightly forward of my original pic, but that was for sizing reasons, it still follows the same line.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/592acdbb3139.jpg[/atsimg]
Here is the link to the site again so you can look at the map
www.otterburnranges.co.uk...
Otterburn is the second largest live firing range in the country and has been used for military training since 1911. It covers over 90 square miles.
Controlled Access (marked mauve on the map) is used for live firing. When it is being used for training red flags are flown to show that it is closed to visitors. When no red flags are flying, visitors must keep to the roads or way-marked paths.
I've got the map open the map on their site and the range stretches between Harbottle and Rochester. You have done that haven't you actually looked
at their map of the range and where it actually is?
Ok, so lets go with your explanation that the range is visible to the North, on the horizon in the video. So as camera is sighted over Gateshead in almost a due westerly direction we are talking about Hexham being on the Westerly horizon..
It is over 20 miles, as the crow flies from Hexham to Harbottle. That means the flares are spread out over approximately 7 miles and some of them are *drifting*, they are after all on parachutes, over a mile in less than minute.
If we accept your idea than at 27 seconds in the part 2 video, one light appears at least mile from the 3 already visible.
Ok lets go further. Hexham to the Harbottle, the Northern extent of the range is, at 1;02 on video just over twenty miles. So add the rest of the edge of the video past the lights and you end up with roughly a field of view, on the horizon of 33 miles. If that is so the lights in that picture are spread out over 6 miles of horizon. Given the space the lights individually occupy, that makes each light absolutely huge. That is assuming that Hexham is on the extreme far left of the video on the horizon. If Hexham is further to the right, the horizon becomes even larger and the distance between the lights and that they cover. even greater.
Any other explanation really destroys the firing range explanation full stop.
I can see why people are so desperate for the firing range to be in the camera's field of view as the Air force didn't have permission to drop flares over the range that night. Even then, 0-200 hours was the time limit given for firings anyway so these were , either right on the limit, or they were after it and breaking the rules.
Then, all you have to do is explain how a flare fired from 30 miles away managed to pass over the heads of the people as it does in the first clip. That is what the witnesses claim it did and so far, their evidence seems to be accurate.
I'm going to PM mazzy and ask him if he can give me the specs for the camera for its' field of view so we can further narrow it all down and see if we can sort the maths out more accurately. At the moment, I'm simply going by what those claim it's flares on the firing range and extrapolating from that.
[edit on 28-7-2010 by FireMoon]
Ok, so lets go with your explanation that the range is visible to the North, on the horizon in the video. So as camera is sighted over Gateshead in almost a due westerly direction we are talking about Hexham being on the Westerly horizon..
It is over 20 miles, as the crow flies from Hexham to Harbottle. That means the flares are spread out over approximately 7 miles and some of them are *drifting*, they are after all on parachutes, over a mile in less than minute.
If we accept your idea than at 27 seconds in the part 2 video, one light appears at least mile from the 3 already visible.
Ok lets go further. Hexham to the Harbottle, the Northern extent of the range is, at 1;02 on video just over twenty miles. So add the rest of the edge of the video past the lights and you end up with roughly a field of view, on the horizon of 33 miles. If that is so the lights in that picture are spread out over 6 miles of horizon. Given the space the lights individually occupy, that makes each light absolutely huge. That is assuming that Hexham is on the extreme far left of the video on the horizon. If Hexham is further to the right, the horizon becomes even larger and the distance between the lights and that they cover. even greater.
Any other explanation really destroys the firing range explanation full stop.
I can see why people are so desperate for the firing range to be in the camera's field of view as the Air force didn't have permission to drop flares over the range that night. Even then, 0-200 hours was the time limit given for firings anyway so these were , either right on the limit, or they were after it and breaking the rules.
Then, all you have to do is explain how a flare fired from 30 miles away managed to pass over the heads of the people as it does in the first clip. That is what the witnesses claim it did and so far, their evidence seems to be accurate.
I'm going to PM mazzy and ask him if he can give me the specs for the camera for its' field of view so we can further narrow it all down and see if we can sort the maths out more accurately. At the moment, I'm simply going by what those claim it's flares on the firing range and extrapolating from that.
[edit on 28-7-2010 by FireMoon]
reply to post by FireMoon
WHAT!!!???? On the local council website it had posted that there were excersises that night, what source are you using, mines official!
As for the distance, dont forget it was really windy.
As for the time, in army cadets we used to get stand too's in the early hours of the morning, with flares and gunfire!!
I can see why people are so desperate for the firing range to be in the camera's field of view as the Air force didn't have permission to drop flares over the range that night. Even then, 0-200 hours was the time limit given for firings anyway so these were , either right on the limit, or they were after it and breaking the rules.
WHAT!!!???? On the local council website it had posted that there were excersises that night, what source are you using, mines official!
As for the distance, dont forget it was really windy.
As for the time, in army cadets we used to get stand too's in the early hours of the morning, with flares and gunfire!!
Oh, and I don't think anyone who has been involved this thread is a fool and it would be good if everyone remained respectful, a pleasant rarity these days on ATS.
[edit on 28/7/10 by Freeborn]
I'm sorry but it is exactly what they are. To start with a conclusion and work back from that, ignoring anything that doesn't fit is the very definition of a fool.
People are so desperate to be seen as having *solved it* they make sweeping statements without actually truly thinking about it at all and what it truly needs to take into account, to be the answer. Not one person has addressed the first video where they claim "It flew over them". or are discarding that because it doesn't fit?
Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by FireMoon
I can see why people are so desperate for the firing range to be in the camera's field of view as the Air force didn't have permission to drop flares over the range that night. Even then, 0-200 hours was the time limit given for firings anyway so these were , either right on the limit, or they were after it and breaking the rules.
WHAT!!!???? On the local council website it had posted that there were excersises that night, what source are you using, mines official!
As for the distance, dont forget it was really windy.
As for the time, in army cadets we used to get stand too's in the early hours of the morning, with flares and gunfire!!
I downloaded the PDF for firing times and they had clearance from 0900 to 0200 for artillery firing on the 18th- 19th. I don't think they had permission to shoot flares over Newcastle itself, as they must have done in the first video. Now try actually addressing the evidence and quit ignoring it.?
[edit on 28-7-2010 by FireMoon]
reply to post by FireMoon
and the video was recorded AROUND 2am, so it adds to the evidence surely?
2nd
I downloaded the PDF for firing times and they had clearance from 0900 to 0200 for artillery firing on the 18th- 19th. I don't think they had permission to shoot flares over Newcastle itself, as they must have done in the first video. Now try actually addressing the evidence and quit ignoring it.?
and the video was recorded AROUND 2am, so it adds to the evidence surely?
2nd
reply to post by yigsstarhouse
I would first like to state that i do believe in "ufo" alien and man made.. but this video looks like a close encounter with flares.. of the military kind
I would first like to state that i do believe in "ufo" alien and man made.. but this video looks like a close encounter with flares.. of the military kind
Time has come for Paul Franciosi and friends to go again to the exact location at daytime
and take some footage of the same view and to videotape additional views to be able
to check the perspective, the landscape, the hills, the altitude etc. this would be very
helpul in this investigation.
I understand Paul Franciosi is a researcher so I would like to send him this request by
his friend Maurice Allen ATS member (mozzy1113) also a witness. New daytime footage
surely would clarify some serious doubts in this case.
The question here is: Will Paul Franciosi or any of his friends agree to do this?
I sincerely hope so.
and take some footage of the same view and to videotape additional views to be able
to check the perspective, the landscape, the hills, the altitude etc. this would be very
helpul in this investigation.
I understand Paul Franciosi is a researcher so I would like to send him this request by
his friend Maurice Allen ATS member (mozzy1113) also a witness. New daytime footage
surely would clarify some serious doubts in this case.
The question here is: Will Paul Franciosi or any of his friends agree to do this?
I sincerely hope so.
Well i gotta laugh..... First an apology..I have made a monumental screw up with the direction. I have been assuming that the footage was taken
looking towards Gateshead. Having re-read the whole thread searching for some details that mazzy provided I noticed he actually said the longer
pieces of footage were taken facing Jarrow.
So yup, hands up made a complete snafu there. Problem is for the firing range people. It makes it even less likely they came from there. If they did, the flares should appear on the far left of the screen not in the middle or on the right at all. They could be as far up as Alnwick Jarrow is virtually due North of Cleadon Hill..
If you go to google maps and do a search for Cleadon Mill. Then switch to the satellite image and close in on the mill you can, I'm pretty sure, see the trees/shrubs that is visible in the foreground or the footage. Using that, it is pretty obvious the line of sight is nowhere near the firing range.
Again, my apologies for the monumental snafu on the direction. However, just means we are still wondering what they are.
So far we have testimony of lights appearing as far West of Cleadon Mill as Blaydon and as far North as possibly, Alnwick.
My first thoughts were that was just another case of triboluminescence . The area is riddled with veins of iron ore, coal etc. That sort of geology is often found with such cases. However, now we have this light that seems to have travelled, pretty much, in a straight line from South South West to North followed by a later display of a number of lights. Maybe it was some sort of new *Stealth chopper". That however, begs the following question. Whats the point of developing a stealth chopper if it then drops flares and makes itself totally obvious?
So yup, hands up made a complete snafu there. Problem is for the firing range people. It makes it even less likely they came from there. If they did, the flares should appear on the far left of the screen not in the middle or on the right at all. They could be as far up as Alnwick Jarrow is virtually due North of Cleadon Hill..
If you go to google maps and do a search for Cleadon Mill. Then switch to the satellite image and close in on the mill you can, I'm pretty sure, see the trees/shrubs that is visible in the foreground or the footage. Using that, it is pretty obvious the line of sight is nowhere near the firing range.
Again, my apologies for the monumental snafu on the direction. However, just means we are still wondering what they are.
So far we have testimony of lights appearing as far West of Cleadon Mill as Blaydon and as far North as possibly, Alnwick.
My first thoughts were that was just another case of triboluminescence . The area is riddled with veins of iron ore, coal etc. That sort of geology is often found with such cases. However, now we have this light that seems to have travelled, pretty much, in a straight line from South South West to North followed by a later display of a number of lights. Maybe it was some sort of new *Stealth chopper". That however, begs the following question. Whats the point of developing a stealth chopper if it then drops flares and makes itself totally obvious?
reply to post by FireMoon
Ok, my last pic on the subject......Gateshead has two military ranges nearby, but I am doubtful Warcop (in my home county, but close to Northumberland)
is where they were fired.
I am standing by flares, military or not, I have seen flares released when on exercise, and I know what they look like.
In this pic:
A = Warcop ranges
B = Otterburn ranges
C = Gateshead, the alleged source of the sighting footage
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b45ed8c91ba0.jpg[/atsimg]
[edit on 29/7/10 by woogleuk]
Ok, my last pic on the subject......Gateshead has two military ranges nearby, but I am doubtful Warcop (in my home county, but close to Northumberland)
is where they were fired.
I am standing by flares, military or not, I have seen flares released when on exercise, and I know what they look like.
In this pic:
A = Warcop ranges
B = Otterburn ranges
C = Gateshead, the alleged source of the sighting footage
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b45ed8c91ba0.jpg[/atsimg]
[edit on 29/7/10 by woogleuk]
reply to post by FireMoon
Using the coordinates provided, it's a perfect line up.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Corrected to show the mill itself.
[edit on 7/29/2010 by Phage]
[edit on 7/29/2010 by Phage]
Using the coordinates provided, it's a perfect line up.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Corrected to show the mill itself.
[edit on 7/29/2010 by Phage]
[edit on 7/29/2010 by Phage]
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
Just when we were all doing so well here... figures... Yes I agree Firemoon I dont feel like this has really be concluded 100% either. It would be nice if you could show us a map of how you are seeing it.
I don't feel it's been concluded completely....although in all liklihood it is flares, I do hopefully want to see other things to back this up before I finally close my curiousity on this sighting.
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
I also still wish we had a daytime photo of where this was filmed from. Would help a lot I think for perspective if anything.
Agreed, and as others have said, daytime video from the team who filmed the video, from exactly the same place they filmed.
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
The last two things that are bugging me is, if I recall correctly the witness's said the light were orange to how they saw them? I may be wrong but Im pretty sure I read that somewhere along the line either here or their you tube replies.
Some flares can be reddish-orange though, the flare videos I have posted seem that colour, perhaps not the same colour, but similar.
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
The other is the fact that the first video that came up later still haunts me with the appearance of them seeming to be stationary. I really am going to have to edit that I guess. Im just not looking forward to dealing with all that bounce! I have caught a couple frap clips that are pretty good. I just dont have the time to do it at the moment. I will get to it though if people think it might be important.
Please do if you have the time, that would be great, and to cover all angles on this.
Flares can be stationary, well appear to "hang" in the sky, to light the ground below.
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
I also just want to say I have enjoyed how this thread has flowed as much as you folks. I like the respect we have had and the desire to try and figure it all out in a grownup manner has been quite refreshing to say the least. Good job people.
Hear Hear! I second that.
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
So what I'd like to know is do we really think we have solved it or shall we did deeper?
I say if there's still room to dig, we dig deeper.
1) Was the military letting off flares that night if they were carrying out exercises? Was there sightings of this?
2) Were there Chinooks in the area? Was there sightings of this?
3) Why is there no other sightings on the exact same night of the video being shot, and why are other sightings I have found near to the date only mentioned one or two lights as opposed to the numerous in the video?
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
I cant help but think of the other threads that have been posted about all the orange lights over England lately. Something is going on for sure.
Indeed. Something to be looking into that's for certain.
Originally posted by Regensturm
Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
I cant help but think of the other threads that have been posted about all the orange lights over England lately. Something is going on for sure.
Indeed. Something to be looking into that's for certain.
I really hate to sound negative, but i'll refer back to what I said about pesky neighbours and their chinese lanterns. Once upon a time you only ever seen these at the odd hippy festival (like solfest up the road from me), and they were beautiful and mind blowing (especially after drinking one of those funny mushroom tasting tea's that the hippies offered, lol)
Now they seem to be getting released regularly, which is really gonna hamper research into genuine sightings.
Originally posted by woogleuk
I really hate to sound negative, but i'll refer back to what I said about pesky neighbours
and their chinese lanterns. Once upon a time you only ever seen these at the odd hippy
festival (like solfest up the road from me), and they were beautiful and mind blowing
(especially after drinking one of those funny mushroom tasting tea's that the hippies
offered, lol)
Now they seem to be getting released regularly, which is really gonna hamper research
into genuine sightings.
You mean like this incident reported by the BBC last year?
Check the report and look... same location. Coincidence?
Reported by the BBC on August 30, 2009
PAPER LANTERNS SPARK UFO REPORT
Police inquiries revealed that lanterns had been set off in a Gateshead park
Reports of bright orange lights over the night sky on Tyneside were sparked by
illuminated paper lanterns being released in a park, police said.
Witnesses reported seeing clusters of lights speeding through the sky from the
Gateshead area on Saturday night.
The complete report here.
reply to post by free_spirit
Fantastic video to back up my findings and other flare supporting stuff other members have put forward , well done.
The speed of the Otterburn ones can still be easily put down to wind, and it does seem windy that night on the video. In fact it's been windy and raining a lot up here in the north the last few weeks
[edit on 29/7/10 by woogleuk]
Fantastic video to back up my findings and other flare supporting stuff other members have put forward , well done.
The speed of the Otterburn ones can still be easily put down to wind, and it does seem windy that night on the video. In fact it's been windy and raining a lot up here in the north the last few weeks
[edit on 29/7/10 by woogleuk]
hey guys, so glad i found this thread. I had the pleasure of seeing one of these on 27 - 7 - 2010 (Tuesday) I am from the north east, this is what i
seen.
We were on our way back from newcastle on the A19 road heading towards sunderland. Round about 9:45pm I just so happened to glance out of the window (the car window was half open) i saw what seemed to be a floating orange light, now at first i thought this was just some reflection in the window from the other side of the car like when you see a street lamp reflecting etc. however when i raised my head and actually looked out of the window (beyond the glass) there it was clear as day. It was orange very small, judging by perspective and scale this was flying very low and moving quite fast, but at a decent enough speed for me to track it for about 30 seconds, it was not a plane, or a hellicopter. I pointed it out to my friend who was driving and he seen it also. It has really baffled me. if anyone could shed some light on this that would be awesome.
Peace
P.S. the light was seen over the Pennywell area of Sunderland
We were on our way back from newcastle on the A19 road heading towards sunderland. Round about 9:45pm I just so happened to glance out of the window (the car window was half open) i saw what seemed to be a floating orange light, now at first i thought this was just some reflection in the window from the other side of the car like when you see a street lamp reflecting etc. however when i raised my head and actually looked out of the window (beyond the glass) there it was clear as day. It was orange very small, judging by perspective and scale this was flying very low and moving quite fast, but at a decent enough speed for me to track it for about 30 seconds, it was not a plane, or a hellicopter. I pointed it out to my friend who was driving and he seen it also. It has really baffled me. if anyone could shed some light on this that would be awesome.
Peace
P.S. the light was seen over the Pennywell area of Sunderland
Originally posted by markyboy890
hey guys, so glad i found this thread. I had the pleasure of seeing one of these on 27 - 7 - 2010 (Tuesday) I am from the north east, this is what i seen.
We were on our way back from newcastle on the A19 road heading towards sunderland. Round about 9:45pm I just so happened to glance out of the window (the car window was half open) i saw what seemed to be a floating orange light, now at first i thought this was just some reflection in the window from the other side of the car like when you see a street lamp reflecting etc. however when i raised my head and actually looked out of the window (beyond the glass) there it was clear as day. It was orange very small, judging by perspective and scale this was flying very low and moving quite fast, but at a decent enough speed for me to track it for about 30 seconds, it was not a plane, or a hellicopter. I pointed it out to my friend who was driving and he seen it also. It has really baffled me. if anyone could shed some light on this that would be awesome.
Peace
P.S. the light was seen over the Pennywell area of Sunderland
Hi marky
Try search the site for orange/red orb UFOs, im sure there are some threads about on these type of UFOs that have been sighted all over the world start of this year in the millions,
This thread/sighting is nothing but military flares sorry to say, and does not fit your description either, i have seen many of the orange orb UFOs this year and only this year, very low above me and from distance, this video is as close as i can find to fitting what i see and maybe you.
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