1919 � Communist Rules for Revolution : We are there now in 2004!

This is a real document, not propaganda, not someones opinion. It is scary to think the reality is we are there now. Read each one and think of current events and laws that have been passed relating to the below items. I hope this is a wake up call to some of you.

If you find one that is not currently in place, point it out.

Do a search on google and you will find several links to this document.


1919 � Communist Rules for Revolution

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These nine rules were seized in a raid in Dusseldorf Germany, in 1919. The files were marked, �Communist Rules for Revolution�.

1. Corrupt the young: get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.

2. Get control of all means of publicity. Get peoples� minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays and other trivialities.

3. Divide people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.

4. Destroy the peoples� faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and . (speak against, condemnatory utterances)

5. Always preach ;true democracy; but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.

6. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit; produce fear of inflation, rising prices and general discontent.

7. Foment strikes in vital industries; encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward these disorders.

8. By special argument cause a breakdown of the old moral virtues; honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.

9. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext with a view of confiscation of them and leaving the population helpless.


NeedTruth

that is very interesting stuff
as you said, it is a wake up call

Yeah I already posted this here

Its pretty interesting stuff. Did you here about it on Prison Planet ?

What's your point, that some of these have happened? Breakdown of moral character, lack of temperance, sexual appetites? I've got news for you, these things have been inherent in man's culture long before the communists were around and will be around for a long time to come.

Originally posted by NeedTruth
This is a real document, not propaganda, not someones opinion.

Actually, it�s a hoax. The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels contains the true revolutionary platform of the Communist Party.
The whole idea behind Communism is that the wealthy elite rule the world and treat the rest of us as slaves. Therefore, the Communists believed the masses would rise up, overthrow their oppressors, and establish a new society in the form of a large commune. In theory, this would eliminate business and capitalism, and create a society of perfect equality, where everyone had food to eat, and shelter over their heads.
The Communists certainly wouldn�t publish a statement directing Party members to �corrupt the young�, since they believe that all corruption is derived from capitalism and social injustice.

During WWI, the Communists were growing strong in Germany, with a huge working class base. The Communist Party joined hands with the Socialist Workers Party, became a majority, and made the wealthy capitalist aristocrats pee in their pants. Thus the propaganda campaign waged against them.

During the Weimar years, the Communist Workers Front (which consisted of the Sparticists, Socialist Union, and Red Labor factions) were elected to majority seats in Reichstag. This prompted Hitler, the newly appointed Chancellor, to burn the Reichstag building down, and frame the Communists. He then used the trumped-up charge against them to outlaw all opposition, leftist, and liberal parties, and continued this anti-socialist propaganda.

It is interesting to note that originally, the Nazi Party was moderately socialist. This all changed when Hitler and his goons took control of it, gained the financial support of the right wing, and turned it into an ultra-conservative, fascist movement.

Fiat Lvx.

This is my first post in this forum, and I think that's quite scary when you think about it. There are many things today which are relevent to that document, while it might seem false, it holds alot of truth seeing as how TV networks are able to have so many terrible reality channels (bachlorette) which get people intuned into that sort of thing. As for making people lose faith in natural leaders in government... I'm not too sure about that, and I doubt that is true.

Before anyone gets influenced by this, does anyone have any sources? To be ignorant is to let oneself get influenced by something that has no source, no truth in it.

When was this document written? By who? What purpose? Those who support this "document", are they on the extreme right?

Originally posted by RX84
Those who support this "document", are they on the extreme right?

I�m assuming the answer is �yes.� Consider the comments about our �natural leaders�. That is pure right wing, fascist hogwash. The only legitimate leaders are those who have been democratically elected by universal suffrage.
The concept of �natural leaders� is nothing more than a continuation of the middle ages� propaganda concerning the �divine right of kings�. These people claimed that their authority derived from God, and thus the people�s duty was to obey them. Fascists and neo-conservatives have merely modified this BS to suit themselves.
Take as an example the current bozo who occupies the White House. He is certainly not a philosopher, nor a political scientist, nor even an ethictician. He is a failed businessman who believes he has a �divine right� to rule over us just because he was born rich, and because his daddy was president. Some aides in the White House are beginning to call Bush and Ashcroft �the Blues Brothers� because they believe they�re on �a mission from God�.

Even though this sounds ridiculous to most of us, these people apparently take it very seriously, and is one of the reasons they can be extremely dangerous to those who cherish the blessings of liberty.

Fiat Lvx.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by NeedTruth
This is a real document, not propaganda, not someones opinion.

Actually, it�s a hoax. The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels contains the true revolutionary platform of the Communist Party.
The whole idea behind Communism is that the wealthy elite rule the world and treat the rest of us as slaves. Therefore, the Communists believed the masses would rise up, overthrow their oppressors, and establish a new society in the form of a large commune. In theory, this would eliminate business and capitalism, and create a society of perfect equality, where everyone had food to eat, and shelter over their heads.
The Communists certainly wouldn�t publish a statement directing Party members to �corrupt the young�, since they believe that all corruption is derived from capitalism and social injustice.

Nonsense. Communism is the most tyrannical ideology ever unleashed upon humanity. It's goal is to reduce the population to little more than slaves.

Anyone who believes that communism is/was a good idea needs to be locked up in an asylum.

Originally posted by Rebelhead
Nonsense. Communism is the most tyrannical ideology ever unleashed upon humanity. It's goal is to reduce the population to little more than slaves.
Anyone who believes that communism is/was a good idea needs to be locked up in an asylum.

What I wrote was not �nonsense�...it is the philosophy of the Communist Party, as is plainly stated in their ideological documents. I said nothing about agreeing with them, or they being right...I only pointed out what they believe.

Fiat Lvx.

Anyone who believes that communism is/was a good idea needs to be locked up in an asylum.

Take it you're a yank then? Where do you get this "evil empire" stuff?

Communism is the most tyrannical ideology

I think the supression of Communism was far more tyrannical personally but there you go...

Communism is a flawed idea, yes, it is impractical, but what good has Capitalism done for Russia in the last few years? Just because something challenges your ideas of morality you can't say it's made for lunatics you ignorant twat.

Nonsense. Communism is the most tyrannical ideology ever unleashed upon humanity. It's goal is to reduce the population to little more than slaves.

Anyone who believes that communism is/was a good idea needs to be locked up in an asylum.

Bull#e. The guy you quoted is absolutely right...most propably you don't know anything about what Communism is, right ? :-)

Believe me, I do... I know what a "true communist" is, and I know what a stalinist is, the ones who controlled the Soviet Union. Lenin's and Marx's ideas may have been right, but the ones who worked for them quickly became corrupted, and so, the people thought they were right, that this was what's good for the people.

Ask me, I'd say we're still controlled. We've always been. Not by one or by a small group. Look at society today. This democracy isn't getting anywhere. Corporations are what we call countries now. Internet are the new telephone. Buying stuff is the way of worshipping. Money is your God. That, is reality.

People are corrupted in fascism, in capitalism, so why shouldn't they be so in communism?

Maybe life on earth is a punishment...

oh please, that is propaganda that is trying to make all communist look like totalitarians. as stated previously if you want "rules" for communism the closest your going to get is the communist manifesto.

the USSR was not communist

no country was ever communist

Originally posted by NeedTruth
This is a real document, not propaganda, not someones opinion.

So, a real document can't be progpaganda or someone's opinion?

While I can't verify the document indicated by the OP, I can vouch for the inherent truths outlined in it.

One of the most fascinating works along this line was R.M. Whiney's "Reds in America."
This 1924 work details seized documents, and evidence gathered during a raid of a Communist Party meeting in Bridgman Michigan in 1924. I live only a few miles from this location, and that is what drew my interest to the subject.

One of the most interesting bits of documentary evidence found was a program that was to be implemented to use the Negro's inherent hatred for White America, and turn that hatred into to a force to overthrow the Capitalistic Government of the U.S.

It was detailed in depth in Whitney's book and was simply called "The Negro Program".
Here is an excerpt from "The Negro Program".

REDS IN AMERICA
By R. M. Whitney (NY: Beckwith Press, 1924), pp. 189-205


CHAPTER TWELVE

THE NEGRO PROGRAM

FUTURE PLANS OF COMMUNISTS

The Communists' earliest program in the United States included the use of the negro masses in its campaign to bring about the overthrow of the Government of this country by violence. This program recognized that the negroes had many grievances, that race hatred was strong among them, and that they were easily inflamed to violence. Accordingly it was decided to use them in the great conspiracy. The Left Wing Socialists and the I. W. W., from which came the nucleus of the Communist party of America, had drawn no color line and had urged the negroes repeatedly to meet violence with violence, to "fight back," and to demand their "rights" of the Government and of individual whites with threats of uprisings unless these "rights" were granted. Thus it was that the negro program became one of the prime vicious plans of the Communists.

During the first year of organized activity by the Communists in the United States a great deal of attention was paid to the negro question. A number of educated negroes, most of them from Harvard, were found sufficiently discontented and sufficiently unbalanced to make good Communists. They were enlisted in the work and from that time on have been preaching violence on every occasion. The race riots of 1919 came at the height of this radicalism among the negroes who were secretly supported and urged to greater violence by white Communists and the radical negro leaders. The Communists made capital of these riots and the coincident racial feeling which was aroused. Soon after this, however, the Communist leaders turned to other features of the conspiracy against the Government, and the interest of the mass of negroes waned. But more recently the Communist leaders, acting under instructions from Moscow, have again turned their attention to this question, and their activities have resulted in renewed Communist expression by the negroes, through their radical press and in committee work among them.

R.M. Whitney was one of the prominent Associated Press reporters of his time, and had written several works exposing Communism in America.
I obtained an original copy of his 1924 work, and sure enough it is all there.
Including the origin of The ACLU and the development of the Labor Organizations such as the AFL-CIO.

It was stated that Russia would be the last country to ever become communist by Karl or Marx, i forget which one. Apparently communism is the end of a path that starts with capitalism and goes through socialism. Russia wouldnt work as a communist country as it had never been capitalist in the first place. Those goals are most probably propaganda. Communism is a system which when used properly will supposedly make everyone equal, dont judge based on what happened in Russia.

I think its also important to point out some ideas on "equality" and just what Marx had in mind. I think he was meaning that basic human rights such as food, clothing, and health would be available for all. And at the same time the poor, as we know them, would have the same oppertunities to be educated and become successfull, as the rich have always had.

Corrupt, power hungry, and plain stupid...that's politics.