Did God use the Big Bang to create cosmic matter?

Sometimes both Christians and atheists agree that this could not have taken place. I ask why not?

Genesis 1:1 has never been quantified with a time line, what happened in that time period is relatively unknown, except for the whole universe being set up including a planet called earth, but unable to support life because it was not yet equipped to do it yet.

The bible tells us God has the power to channel his energy into matter, in this case physical cosmic matter, this would have happened approximately 14-20 billion years ago. From our human perspective this process may have looked very chaotic in nature, yet it was the formation of the physical universe. All the atomic matter in the universe starts out starless and galaxyless, yet over time they form up of there own accord, as God's puts natural math and science to work in ways we can't understand right know.

Indeed what science observes as a big bang of the universe starting out, is in fact God starting to create matter.

So to me the "big bang" is compatible with the creation account in Genesis.

There's a verse in the Quran that has very similar characters to the big bang happening.
www.answering-christianity.com...

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.

What if "god" Was the big bang? And what if this wasnt first or last big bang?

reply to post by reesie45


That would be interesting. Who knows what came first and what will happen after us.

you are not using bad logic, in terms of theology. and if this is what you want to believe happened, go for it!

soooo, are you looking for support to your theory? or someone to say it could be? i guess i dont know what you are getting at, other than telling us what you believe. and maybe thats what youre doing.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
There's a verse in the Quran that has very similar characters to the big bang happening.
www.answering-christianity.com...

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.

Here are some more sites with the Big Bang and the Big Crunch in the Quran.
www.mukto-mona.com...

www.alislam.org...

www.hyahya.org...

www.islamreligion.com...

www.quranmiracles.com...

Some links have more simple English words, While others are in more detail and have lots of pictures.

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by reesie45

 

That would be interesting. Who knows what came first and what will happen after us.

Yes because that would mean, if there was more than one big bang, that There are alot of "gods". Infinite gods if you will.

reply to post by reesie45


There was an article I was reading online. It mentioned that you can put one million universes on a one gigabyte hard drive

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by reesie45

 

There was an article I was reading online. It mentioned that you can put one million universes on a one gigabyte hard drive

In this case, we are a computer program.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Is it possible that there is a God who used the Big Bang to create the Universe? Sure. Hypothetically almost anything is possible. But saying its possible doesn't make it likely.

Honestly I'm happy admitting I don't know what happened before the Singularity. I don't want all the answers to everything because a lot of the fun comes from the question itself, the mystery makes life more worthwhile. If we knew EVERYTHING it would be lame.

So is it possible there is a God who created the Universe? Sure. Is there any evidence to suggest this? Not really. So I will just shrug my shoulders and remain in the default position (atheism).

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Nothing at all was Created by or through the big bang!

Everything has been Created through The "WORD"

I'll try and explain a little if I may...

Here is a drawing of the "Partition Map" of the Soul showing "The Man Child" in the Centre.

This Drawing is 100 % accurate, and involves NO “Guess Work”...





This "Partition Map" is used in the "Processing System" of the Soul... and involves Geometric Processing.

Your brain is a "Decoder/Encoder" Translating the "Strings of Glyphs" appearing in the Octagons of The Man Child in front of you (Spirit or LIFE) as it rotates at a very high speed .

Your brain decodes the "Inner" Component and you see this universe apparently in 3D but in reality is a very Sophisticated Story, being read by the Mind (Consciousness or LIFE) translated into a 3D form of experiences involving Form or in other words interactive Art or Pictures also involving the 5 senses involved in the programs.

You can find the Generations of the "Souls" found in this Partition Map.

"The Generations of Souls" are found in the form of other "Partition Maps" (Cloned) within “The First Born Soul”.

Each Square, contains another Complete “Partition Map, and in each of its "Partitions" can be found another Complete “Partition Map”.

Every Soul contains the same "Partition Map" (Cloned).

There are so many Souls contained in “The First Born Soul it is impossible to count them.

Also contained within each Soul, can be found access to the Libraries of the All...

There are so many Universes and other Worlds contained in these Libraries, it is also Impossible to count these too.

All is Accessed through "Program Books", Contained within Each Soul.

The reason why Scientists can't find the beginning, is they don't realise that All is produced through the Communication of The True Mind (LIFE) through the Soul. i.e. via the "Word".

The word "WORD" implies "Communication" this is in the form of huge “Strings of Glyphs” contained in a Stack in each Octagon, some of which the human Language/s (written) was taken from, but do Not portray the Original content that the Soul recognises.

I can in Fact, show the Language used by the Soul/s and the "Processing System" of the Soul in detail, involving more than 50,000 Drawings which I have in the form of Documentation.

I can also provide Proof in the form of a number of simple experiments, which allow you to see the workings of the Soul.

As well as historical record, of many of the Geometric Components and Language of the Soul, displayed in Buildings both modern and Ancient such as Government buildings, Palaces, Public buildings, Temples, Cathedrals, Mosques, churches, Monasteries, Arcades, in the form of Mosaics and other Art (Decoration) in most Countries on Earth.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

Great question... but you should ask "Did God need to use the Big Bang to create the universe?"
I you have a "being" outside of space and time as we know it, who has power to create, destroy, direct everything in ways that we can't understand any more then an ant can understand the construction of an atomic bomb.
A being which was not created nor relies on any other or anything. Is self existing alway was and always will be.
Did He need to use the "Big Bang"?
NO!
Did He use the BIG Bang?
From a Christian point of view...
Microwave back ground radiation throughout the universe
The fact that galaxies are expanding
There is scientific proof that Christians have presented..

Excuse my continual use of Youtube videos

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

 

Nothing at all was Created by or through the big bang!

Everything has been Created through The "WORD"

I'll try and explain a little if I may...

Here is a drawing of the "Partition Map" of the Soul showing "The Man Child" in the Centre.

What are we looking at here?
lease explain


This Drawing is 100 % accurate, and involves NO “Guess Work”...





This "Partition Map" is used in the "Processing System" of the Soul... and involves Geometric Processing.

Your brain is a "Decoder/Encoder" Translating the "Strings of Glyphs" appearing in the Octagons of The Man Child in front of you (Spirit or LIFE) as it rotates at a very high speed .

Your brain decodes the "Inner" Component and you see this universe apparently in 3D but in reality is a very Sophisticated Story, being read by the Mind (Consciousness or LIFE) translated into a 3D form of experiences involving Form or in other words interactive Art or Pictures also involving the 5 senses involved in the programs.

You can find the Generations of the "Souls" found in this Partition Map.

"The Generations of Souls" are found in the form of other "Partition Maps" (Cloned) within “The First Born Soul”.

Each Square, contains another Complete “Partition Map, and in each of its "Partitions" can be found another Complete “Partition Map”.

Every Soul contains the same "Partition Map" (Cloned).

There are so many Souls contained in “The First Born Soul it is impossible to count them.

Also contained within each Soul, can be found access to the Libraries of the All...

There are so many Universes and other Worlds contained in these Libraries, it is also Impossible to count these too.

All is Accessed through "Program Books", Contained within Each Soul.

The reason why Scientists can't find the beginning, is they don't realise that All is produced through the Communication of The True Mind (LIFE) through the Soul. i.e. via the "Word".

The word "WORD" implies "Communication" this is in the form of huge “Strings of Glyphs” contained in a Stack in each Octagon, some of which the human Language/s (written) was taken from, but do Not portray the Original content that the Soul recognises.

I can in Fact, show the Language used by the Soul/s and the "Processing System" of the Soul in detail, involving more than 50,000 Drawings which I have in the form of Documentation.

I can also provide Proof in the form of a number of simple experiments, which allow you to see the workings of the Soul.

As well as historical record, of many of the Geometric Components and Language of the Soul, displayed in Buildings both modern and Ancient such as Government buildings, Palaces, Public buildings, Temples, Cathedrals, Mosques, churches, Monasteries, Arcades, in the form of Mosaics and other Art (Decoration) in most Countries on Earth.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by The Matrix Traveller]

What are we looking at here?
Am I missing something?

[edit on 21-7-2010 by ccsct203]

reply to post by ccsct203


You are Looking at a Drawing of The "Partition Map" of the Soul used in its "Processing System" which manifests what you experience.... in the Soul.

Your Copy of this Little Universe and the Species you have chosen to experience this through, all takes place within your Soul.
And Not outside your Soul as many would have you believe.

The Processing involved, is in the "Partition Map".

I have documented most of what has been found through R&D involving over 50,000 (Fifty Thousand) Geometric Drawings explaining step by step everything from the beginning.

This includes The "Processing System" of The Soul, how it was formed, as well as its Program Language.

Here is a drawing of the "Partition Map" of the Soul showing "The Man Child" in the Centre.

This Drawing is 100 % accurate, and involves NO “Guess Work”...

Another diamond in the rough post from The Matrix Traveler.
Pay no attention, his posts only make sense to him.

As for the topic, religions claim that their deities do things all the time. To make this claim is no different than claiming that your god guides the process of evolution.

Well the Christians that say this whole event happened in 1 literal 24 hour earth day, are wrong, most people with the right combination of brain cells and faith can see this.

It's not an issue of "well God can do anything". He simply is not limited by our human concepts of time.

Simple logic, if light from stars billions of light years away takes billions of years to get here, it is pretty simple to figure out the universe wasn't created in six literal days 6000 years ago. That's why young earth creationists are laughed at, and justifiably so.



[edit on 21-7-2010 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by PieKeeper


Are you declaring you are of Low Intelligence ???

You Surprise me..

I thought you had more Intelligence ???

Or do you just fear yourself ???

Originally posted by PieKeeper

Here is a drawing of the "Partition Map" of the Soul showing "The Man Child" in the Centre.

This Drawing is 100 % accurate, and involves NO “Guess Work”...

Another diamond in the rough post from The Matrix Traveler.

Pay no attention, his posts only make sense to him.

This is very interesting Pie Keeper.

I am very greatful that you have taken the time to let everyone know
which posts are not worth reading.

Clearly, if YOU can not comprehend information,
it would not make sense to ANY others.
Thanks for the heads up!

I am curious though...
Why do you call the Matrix Tavelers posts a "diamond in the rough"?

You do know that a diamond in the rough is a daimond
that has not been altered or changed by humans? Interesting.

I am very interested to hear your knowledge on this topic PK

reply to post by Blue_Jay33

my new theory combines the "have to leave paradise" of adam and eve and the "beginning" of material existence.



[edit on 22-7-2010 by icepack]

Originally posted by reesie45
What if "god" Was the big bang? And what if this wasnt first or last big bang?

Some would say we are living in the breath of god. Perhaps he had a big sneeze in that case...