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Originally posted by Russian
Can we have anyone else but these American bastard post here.
For example someone with an open mind?
So we can really discuss something and not just fart in the air?
Out,
Russian
Originally posted by rustiswordz
OK, Im from the UK
Some one suggested the Merkerva was russian based. Actually the merkerva was based on the cheaftain and early challenger tanks. UK tanks.
Also the American Abrahams tank used Chobham Composite Armour, made in the UK.
How do i know easy, I live 3 miles awayfrom the Chobham factory and i regularly see Abrahams tanks being driven away on the back of transporters.
Heh they have to use British armour because the US armour is crap!
the armour is shipped out to the states premade or the tanks are fitted out over here, because the armour is difficult to produce and the formula is top secret not even the yanks are allowed to know what goes into the armour.
The new Chobham mk 5 armour is reputed to be able to withstand a direct hit from a Hellfire missile, and is only avalible to British vehicles. The Abraham uses the mark 3.
In the GULF War 2 Abraham tanks were knocked out on a fairly regular basis, but the new Dorchester Armour on the British Challenger 2 was resistant to the same fire the US tanks took and the new desert filters on our tanks removed the relibillity problems of the Challenger 2 making the C2 a better tank than the Abrahams on points.
I also go for the merkerva, simply because its part British..... nuff said. LOL
Hope that helps Mr Russian.
[edit on 17-6-2004 by rustiswordz]
Originally posted by WestPoint23
The reason that the abrams armor is made there is because its cheaper to produce it in brittan than in the us and trust me the US knows the composite of the armor and since you guys have great armor according to you whats your favorite tank that great brittan has?
Originally posted by h4dd3n
The Challenger mark II is the best protected tank in NATO. And the fire control system is upgraded over the Abrams tank.
Originally posted by Russian
...but yes Abrams has its whol armour from UK.
Originally posted by E_T
I don't really think they have to import DU used in front armour.
Originally posted by Russian
Thats the newest upgrade that I dont think is even on the tanks yet.
An improvement program will eventually upgrade all M1A1 tanks with steel encased depleted uranium armor, which has a density at least two-and-a-half times greater than steel. The depleted uranium armor will raise the total weight of the Abrams tank to 65 tons, but offers vastly improved protection in the bargain.
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The Abrams has been using Depleted Uranium (DU) armor since 1988.
Originally posted by Russian
Originally posted by E_T
I don't really think they have to import DU used in front armour.
Thats the newest upgrade that I dont think is even on the tanks yet.
But I dont really know much about it.
Out,
Russian
Originally posted by Numbnutz
Yes, the Leopard is good, but i don't think it can be compared with the MK4 and the Abrams...Apples and Oranges.......
[edit on 18-6-2004 by Numbnutz]
The tank has had DU on its armor since it was first produced in the late 70's that shows how much you know about it.
Originally posted by Kriskaos
Hmm interesting heres a bit of history
The M1A1/2 Abrams main battle tank is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). The first M1 tank was produced in 1978, the M1A1 in 1985 and the M1A2 in 1986. 3,273 M1 tanks were produced for the US Army. 4,796
The M1A1 tank incorporates steel encased depleted uranium armour. Armour bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.
M1A1 HAD DU ARMOR.
in the late 80's
source www.army-technology.com...