The Heiwa Challenge

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
No, I didn't. I live in the UK, and no one really cares about your history here.

Well in that case it would be my pleasure to inform you of a little of it, whether you care to actually read this or not.

The first people that came here and made it, landed in 1607, had to rough hard winters, starvation, hostile encounters with militant Native American tribes (though admittedly the colonists brought some of it on themselves, trying to convert them to Christianity and treating them as "savages"), and ultimately they had to learn to live off the land, independent of England and anyone else.

In the later 1600's the first rebellion occurred in Virginia. Nathaniel Bacon raised a 500-man army and went to Jamestown to demand the governor allow him to attack Native Americans living on treaty-protected land who had been leading raids onto colonists' property. The governor refused, even at gunpoint, as Bacon had his men point their arms at the governor. They then pointed their weapons at the burgesses and gained permission from them, and left. Bacon would later be recalled to England and punished for this.

About a hundred years later the Virginia Colony is pretty well off. England is now Great Britain. Local trade and economy is strong and independent of Great Britain, and King George decides to start levying heavy taxes against colonial trade along with other unpopular measures, some of them taken on his behalf by appointed governors, such as Dunsmore, the last British governor of Virginia. He pisses off a lot of gun-toting people who don't need him or his rule in the least. He pissed off the WRONG people in other words. A man named Patrick Henry famously upset a bunch of royal kiss-asses at a convention by yelling "Give me liberty or give me DEATH!" (on the "Don't Tread on Me" minuteman flag native to Virginia and in my avatar). Henry then raised a volunteer militia of pissed-off Virginians and marched on the colonial palace in Williamsburg, where the governor had already fled like the coward that he was. From that point on, without firing a bullet and before the revolution was started, Virginia ruled itself with the elected House of Burgesses.

When the King finally got around to sending troops to regain control of the colonies, the first army approaching Virginia from North Carolina was repulsed and had to reform before it even got to the border, from pissed off North Carolinians consistently coming out onto their porches and firing into the British lines as they marched past. They would fire and run, and the British were ill-prepared to defend against these guerrilla skirmishes in their formal lines. So this was the start of the revolutionary war here. And in general all the King did was piss more and more people off as he roamed the colonies shooting people and burning towns down, so he eventually gave up on the idea of forcing us all to give a damn for Britain again.

Virginia remained an independent state until the adoption of the Federal Constitution in 1781. Virginia was one of the last states to sign the Constitution and had a number of vocal opponents against signing it, preferring to maintain state sovereignty. Patrick Henry was one of the anti-federalists. Virginia only relucted to sign the Constitution after the Bill of Rights was added with the 10th amendment ensuring that any power not explicitly granted to the Fed was left for the state or its people themselves.

So to continue... In 1859 a Virginian named John Brown led an unsuccessful revolt against slavery at Harper's Ferry by seizing a federal armory. His heart was in the right place, but the slaves he was counting on to join his forces were reluctant to leave their plantations so he was screwed. Colonel Robert E. Lee was dispatched to end Brown's raid and Brown and his sons were killed in the ensuing, short-lived fight.

Two years later in 1861 the federal government called on Virginia to form its armies in several locations to prepare to invade South Carolina for seceding and opening fire on feds at Fort Sumter. Upon receiving this order, Virginia held a popular vote, and the majority of people voted to secede from the union, as it had overstepped its Constitutional boundaries. Instead of forming federal armies as the US government had ordered, Virginians began destroying all the railroad lines that led from the North into the South instead. This is another great example of the spirit of the people who live here. Robert E. Lee turned down an offer to command the federal army, siding with his home state of Virginia instead and becoming one of the most celebrated and successful generals in history. Lee commanded an army that was almost always severely out-numbered, out-gunned and out-supplied, and yet consistently led it to victory for the better part of 4 long years. After enormous union losses at the battle of Cold Harbor, Ulysses Grant finally gave up frontal assaults on "impregnable" defensive positions around Richmond and performed a siege around Lee's army for 9 months instead. After the long siege, Grant's well-supplied and healthy army began forming for another large assault when Lee decided it was finally time for negotiating terms of surrender. Many of his officers still wanted to continue the war with guerrilla warfare, but Lee convinced them against this.

Think that was the last large rebellion of pissed off people in Virginia?... Nope. In the early 1900s there were 2 coal miner rebellions, though West Virginia saw the worst of those. At one point around 1930 somewhere around 7,000 armed, abused and pissed-off coal miners marched on Charleston demanding actions be taken against the coal companies who held total monopolies of entire towns in the poor coal-mining regions. They had already raided the company's towns and shot and killed their hired security forces. When they marched on Charleston, state troopers were issued to demand they disband. When one of the state troopers was also shot and killed, the governor declared a state of emergency and called for federal troops, which eventually dissuaded the miners with negotiations and after some skirmishes that involved machine gun exchanges and even federal planes.

To this day these last events are little mentioned or talked about because of the effect they have, reminding locals that the power IS in our hands and we CAN, SHOULD, and ultimately WILL do something about it when we are systematically abused and our natural rights are infringed upon by any scum bag you choose, for whatever scum bag reason you like.

None of these rebellions happened overnight, none of them were without long periods of angry gestation of government actions, and none of them were expected by authorities. Bacon's rebellion was unprecedented. The Revolutionary War was unprecedented. Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry was unprecedented. The War of Northern Aggression was unprecedented, and Lincoln originally predicted that war would only last 6 weeks and consist of minor skirmishes! And the coal miner rebellions were unprecedented, and remain the largest insurrections since the Civil War to this day.

So the bottom line is when you start increasing frustration between people in these states and their authorities, there is a long historical precedent when we say we really aren't bluffing. It is a tradition and strongly instilled in our culture to be rebellious.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
No, I didn't. I live in the UK, and no one really cares about your history here.

I know there are in fact British historians who know all about American history and love it. Your old Winston Churchill was a big fan in fact. You're just sore because your country is socialist, they put cameras on every street down town, took away all your weapons and invariably make all your decisions for you as if it were your Nanny. That's what's never going to happen here, without one hell of a fight.

Most people think of America as a bloated, slightly wacko country whose global hegemony is drawing to a close. Of Americans themselves, most consider you to be generally well meaning but fearfully ignorant.

Coming from one of the UK's finest anonymous internet users, I'm sorry to say you're not even scratching the surface of hurting my pride. Hell, I could probably bitch better about this country and the stupid people living here than you could. But I don't think even your own country, or any other, is excused of ignorant people living there, and also calling the shots. Regardless of what you think most others think, hopefully you realize that to the large majority of people on these forums, you offer yourself as a good example of British ignorance. Because something like >90% of the people on these forums already consider your views ignorant by the poll thread you know. And I'm one of those, and I don't need to explain to myself what kind of stupidity one would need to swallow everything they told you about 9/11 on TV that morning hook line and sinker.

This all happens to play out in real life and tens if not hundreds of thousands of men have already died at our fathers' hands, and you know they passed their guns down to us.

And their genes.

Right. And so we have a lot less crooked teeth than most British today too.

Even Family Guy noticed as much.

I don't have a state or a zip code. I don't even really know what the latter is.

Postal code that's grown to be used by a lot of other services.

But let me get this straight - you're asking me to post my address, and if I don't then I must be frightened of you? There's about a hundred reasons why I wouldn't put my address up here, and none of them has anything to do with being scared of blustering fools.

My, my, my. I never once even implied you should be frightened of me, but that goes a good ways to showing me what is going through your mind. You were accusing me of being a "keyboard warrior," which I can only assume is supposed to mean I'm a coward who hides behind my keyboard when confronted with a real-world challenge, unlike yourself. So, since you're not a hypocrite, surely you wouldn't care to post your physical address, since you're not a "keyboard warrior," right? You're a Real Life Warrior, right? I'm just asking is all.

Here in the US we still keep guns in our houses so we can tell people where we live and still sleep soundly. I had a neighbor not too long ago shot a man dead point blank with a shotgun trying to break into his house at night. That's about how it usually goes here. Like the other poster said, I guess I can understand your fear Mr. Keyboard Warrior, being a poor defenseless Brit and all. Well you always have the police to come to your aid 30 minutes later.

TLDR. Apart from the end.

I continually marvel at how your bosses have convinced you that stuff like health care is actually a bad idea. The US working class swallows this stuff and thinks it makes them somehow free, all because of some myths about guns and cowboys and redcoats.

Quite apart from seeing through the matrix, you're actually accepting a line which benefits your paymasters. Way to go.

I've changed my mind though. I'll U2U my address and maybe if you manage to shoot enough Raccoons you'll be able to afford a ticket on the big iron bird to the UK. That way you can come over here and kill me.

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Great response as usual, and mature as ever I see. Too long, didn't read. Gotcha. But I told you I was typing it anyway. Someone who can read a little quicker may get a kick out of it.

I notice you also choose to continue to read a death threat into my posts even after I made it painfully clear what I was actually illustrating. I don't actually want your address, and the fact that you're afraid to post it online shows how much of a "warrior" you are, to be chastising anyone else for cowardice.

And here I was really hoping for a good comeback about the whole British people having awful teeth thing.

Let's see... what does any of this have to do with 9/11 again?

Oh yeah, the closest we were to just discussing 9/11, you asked what if "we" (sic) don't have another investigation? And I told you plainly what would eventually come of it, and that's when you took your opportunity to start calling people cowards even though we've already seen what's hanging between your own legs, unfortunately.

Whenever you feel like getting back onto 9/11, unless you just accept the fact that you don't know what actually happened and you're cool with that, which is fine with me since you're British anyway, you could start showing all the hard evidence you base all your WTC opinions on. Or actually try the challenge in the OP, but you probably never had any intention of that since we all know it's impossible to "recreate" the government theory.

reply to post by Heiwa

A. Of course! Cannot crush anything if it slides off!

I'll take that as "no, I don't know what you mean by point load".

B. Almost identical or identical.

You may want to drop the word "identical" you can't be "almost identical". It is an absolute. Similar would be the word you are looking for.

C. According NIST, the US National Institute of Support of Terrorism upper part C applied energy on lower part A that A could not absorb and global collapse followed = C crushed A. Only terrorists believe it ... with support of NIST!

Ok, again the language thing. Collapse is not the same as crushed. Collapse means basically to fall down. Crush means to compress. If I collapse from the heat, I fall down. If I am crushed then I am dead.

Now did the impact of "C" cause "A" to collapse or did the impact of "C" crush "A". Two completely different concepts.

Please don't think you are influenceing anyone by calling them terrorist or Holocaust deniers.

reply to post by OverrunThePerimeter

Still you. Tons of people heard explosions all over the buildings, remember? Explosives make explosions, remember? What do you think we're supposed to have, put the bombs back together from dust? durrrr

Some people near ground zero heard loud sudden noises. As a an adult in the real world I know certain basic "life facts", one of which is that there are a lot of sources for loud sudden noises besides explosives. Particularly when one of the worlds largest buildings is burning and falling apart. You'll have to do much, much better than that.

Collapse is not the same as crushed. Collapse means basically to fall down. Crush means to compress. If I collapse from the heat, I fall down. If I am crushed then I am dead.

Now did the impact of "C" cause "A" to collapse or did the impact of "C" crush "A". Two completely different concepts.

Please don't think you are influenceing anyone by calling them terrorist or Holocaust deniers.

According my dictionary collapse means break to pieces, crush means press so there is breaking and compress means press together (e.g. break something into smaller pieces).

In the Heiwa Challenge you only have to describe a structure where top C destroys bottom A by gravity; by collapse, by compress, by one-way crush-down or any combination of them or similar or identical methods.

Good luck. Nobody has so far claimed the prize Euro 10 000:- !!!! Have a go! Don't waste your time here! Go for my money!

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Originally posted by hooper
Some people near ground zero heard loud sudden noises. As a an adult in the real world I know certain basic "life facts", one of which is that there are a lot of sources for loud sudden noises besides explosives.

As another adult who knows certain "basic life facts," saying "it could have been something else" is a lame ass excuse for not knowing what was actually causing them all.

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Nice to see you admit that you don't what caused the loud sudden noises either.

Its an empty box. You need to explain what you put in there, not me.

If you choose to put "explosives" in there then don't be suprised that someone just might ask you for a little detail, for instance, how do you relate explosions from apparently different direction and different volumes at highly irregular intervals to something like controlled demolition?

reply to post by Heiwa

According my dictionary collapse means break to pieces, crush means press so there is breaking and compress means press together (e.g. break something into smaller pieces).

In the Heiwa Challenge you only have to describe a structure where top C destroys bottom A by gravity; by collapse, by compress, by one-way crush-down or any combination of them or similar or identical methods.

Well, since you're putting 10000 euros on the line I would suggest that you get somebody that is a little more familiar with the English language to review your challenge.

Collapse does not mean "break to pieces" That may be something that results from a collapse but collapse means to fall suddenly. There are other meanings as well, but that is the relevant one here.

This is why the challenge is futile and irrelevant. You are the sole judge and therefore any ambiguity in the language of your challenge will always be held in your favor. Its irrelevant because it has no relation to what happened to the twin towers on 9/11.

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I have a distinct feeling you are a looser. A good for nothing nobody. Just what we find at the bottom of a trash can. Rotten garbage!

God bless you too.

Originally posted by Heiwa

Originally posted by hooper
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I have a distinct feeling you are a looser. A good for nothing nobody. Just what we find at the bottom of a trash can. Rotten garbage!

God bless you too.

Hm, OT, you are rotten garbage. Just shut up and go away.

To quote A. Linclon, June 1858 address to Congress:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Originally posted by hooper

Originally posted by Heiwa

Originally posted by hooper
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I have a distinct feeling you are a looser. A good for nothing nobody. Just what we find at the bottom of a trash can. Rotten garbage!

God bless you too.

Hm, OT, you are rotten garbage. Just shut up and go away.

To quote A. Linclon, June 1858 address to Congress:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

Indeed, to you and them Truth is the Enemy…

Remember that Karl Rove condescendingly told the White House press corps with his signature smirking lip that they were part of the ‘Reality-based’ (Truth-based) community, whereas he was a member of the Power-based community “which creates reality,” and that they’d never be able to catch up with ‘us’ because by the time the Reality-based side had figured out what happened with X event the Power-based side had created, the Power-based side would have created dozens more events for them
to study for decades.

People like you and them aren’t just evil – they’re proud to be evil. Nevertheless, they will be defeated, and in great part by what the Truth movement is doing, especially by not giving up. The two things they can’t survive are, in fact, the Truth…and ridicule. I have figured out a way to combine the two with my Challenge! You can't beat that.

reply to post by Heiwa

Indeed, to you and them Truth is the Enemy…

So where is this terrible truth? In your challenge? In the dozens of "smoking guns" that have turned into stunning dead ends when given anything more than perfunctionary review? Is this the "truth" that I resist?

Remember that Karl Rove condescendingly told the White House press corps with his signature smirking lip that they were part of the ‘Reality-based’ (Truth-based) community, whereas he was a member of the Power-based community “which creates reality,” and that they’d never be able to catch up with ‘us’ because by the time the Reality-based side had figured out what happened with X event the Power-based side had created, the Power-based side would have created dozens more events for them to study for decades.

Actually it was an unamed senior aide in the Bush administration and it was not an address to the press corp but a comment made to a NY Times reporter, Ron Suskind.:

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

People like you and them aren’t just evil – they’re proud to be evil.

So, now I am a proud evil piece of garbage because I challenged the validity and applicability of your so-called challenge. I'm not the first and probably not the last.

Nevertheless, they will be defeated, and in great part by what the Truth movement is doing, especially by not giving up. The two things they can’t survive are, in fact, the Truth…and ridicule. I have figured out a way to combine the two with my Challenge! You can't beat that.

Yes, I have to admit when I see your "challenge" a word just like ridicule does come to mind.

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reply to post by Heiwa

How can you believe such trash? 19 islamists with carpet cutters flying planes? Into towers ...

So, do you hold that there were no planes or that there were planes but they were guided by other than the hijackers?

And of course, as we all know, Muslims are not capable of flying planes.

Ladies and Gentlemen.

...and I am, by all appearances, using the term loosely...



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