A video for "monkeys"

Howdy.

Not sure what's got everyone so fired up, but in the interests of civility, and decorum...

Let's have a little of both. We can do without the harsh judgements on the gullibility, or lack of same on the part of members.

In short?

Knock it off!!

reply to post by traditionaldrummer

Convergent evolution www.sciencedaily.com...

In evolutionary biology, convergent evolution is the process whereby organisms not closely related (not monophyletic), independently evolve similar traits as a result of having to adapt to similar environments or ecological niches.

ballistic panspermia
www.daviddarling.info...

ballistic panspermia With the discovery of meteorites on Earth which almost certainly came from the Moon and Mars, it has become relevant to ask whether prebiotic chemicals and even primitive life have been routinely transported between different worlds of this and other planetary systems. The significance of certain features and substances found within the SNC meteorite, ALH 84001, remain a matter of debate (see martian "fossils" controversy). However, it is clear that if rocks from other worlds have arrived here, then the possibility exists of terrestrial material having been transported elsewhere. As Wallis and Wickramasinghe say in a 1995 paper:1 The mass of escaping ejecta from the presumed 10-km object that caused the 180-km Chicxulub crater ... amounted to ~300 Mm3, of which one third may have been rock and 10% higher-speed ejecta that could have transited directly to Mars... The survival and replication of microorganisms once they are released at destination would depend on the local conditions that prevail. Although viability on the present-day martian surface is problematical, Earth-to-Mars transfers of life were feasible during an earlier 'wet' phase of the planet, prior to 3.5 Ga ago. The martian atmosphere was also denser at that epoch ... thus serving to decelerate meteorites, as on the present-day Earth. Since the reverse transfer can occur in a similar manner, early life evolution of the two planets may well have been linked. Exchange of material between the Earth and Mars would have been especially common during the first 800 million years of the Solar System's existence, that is, between 4.6 and 3.8 billion years ago (see Earth, early history), when major impacts with asteroids and comets were frequent. If simple organisms arose on either world during this time – and there is tentative evidence of terrestrial microbial life dating back 3.85 billion years – they may have been transferred inside ejected rocks to the neighboring planet and formed a colony on arrival (see cosmic collisions, biological effects). There are even plausible reasons to suspect that life may have evolved first on Mars and then, via ballistic panspermia, spread to the Earth (see Mars, life). Or, there may have been a regular cross-fertilization of microorganisms between the two worlds. Conceivably, Venus, too, was involved in the transference of life when its surface conditions were more clement than they are today. One consequence of the possibility of such cross-fertilization is that if life, or evidence of past life, were found on Mars, it would not immediately imply independent biological evolution
.Wallis, M. K., and Wickramasinghe, C. R. "Role of Major Terrestrial Cratering Events in Dispersing Life in the Solar System," Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 130, 69 (1995).

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reply to post by rusethorcain

Do you have to drag out the obscenities and get so nasty?

Do you have to be so uneducated and make uneducated comments? Gee, I guess we both have a choice to change and neither of us are doing so!

If there is life on other planets it is already theorized many of those species would also be bi-pedal humanoids.

Theorized by whom? Please also make note that bipedal (yes, it's one word) humanoid does not mean it's of the same genetic instructions as life on this planet. Again, please learn more about biology. There are numerous factors and variables that would lead to bipedalism in species from other worlds, but they would not share the same genetic instructions as life on this planet.

And it is already widely accepted organic life here came from microbes in meteors and asteroids from other planets. Transpermia.

It's an unproven hypothesis and one that is note accepted at all as being fundamentally true. Transpermia is not even slated to be tested until next year. The foremost current popular hypothesis for the origin of life on this planet is Evolutionary Theory.

Try to keep up...something besides the old blood pressure!

Heed your own advice and get yourself an education while you're at it, please.

reply to post by traditionaldrummer

Most of the scientists and astrophysicists seem to indicate it's extremely unlikely that intelligent life on other planets would come in the form of a bipedal hominid.

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't they recalculate the drake equation and determined at most there would only be two intelligent species in this galaxy, us being one of them (although I would argue against that )?

Hell, there is no logical reason to assume that an intelligent species *must* be bipedal or look similar to the primate species of Earth! Stupid uneducated narcissists!

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

 

Convergent evolution www.sciencedaily.com...

In evolutionary biology, convergent evolution is the process whereby organisms not closely related (not monophyletic), independently evolve similar traits as a result of having to adapt to similar environments or ecological niches.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by rusethorcain]

That is undeniably true and it works well given that the numerous species involved developed on the same planet that contains these environments and niches. Life separated by worlds apart would not develop the same exact genetic instructions and look the same as each other.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
Convergent evolution

This has nothing to do with intelligent life emerging as bipedal hominids on other planets.

ballistic panspermia

This has nothing to do with alien life splicing ape DNA with their own.

Originally posted by sirnex

Hell, there is no logical reason to assume that an intelligent species *must* be bipedal or look similar to the primate species of Earth!

Definitely not and in fact, even on this planet bipedalism is relatively rare.

When people cite humanoid aliens it's simply another example of men inventing gods in their own image; humans once again anthropomorphizing the universe.

Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by traditionaldrummer

 

Most of the scientists and astrophysicists seem to indicate it's extremely unlikely that intelligent life on other planets would come in the form of a bipedal hominid.

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't they recalculate the drake equation and determined at most there would only be two intelligent species in this galaxy, us being one of them (although I would argue against that

)?

Hell, there is no logical reason to assume that an intelligent species *must* be bipedal or look similar to the primate species of Earth! Stupid uneducated narcissists!

Stupid uneducated narcissists!

God Complex / Narcissistic personality disorder
www.urbandictionary.com...

A psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism, inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy.

reply to post by rusethorcain


LOL ...

Learn more about narcissism. It's more involved than your pathetic attempt to pull a simple dictionary definition that defines the term in it's most simplistic meaning. The psychological attribute of narcissism is more involved in meaning and consists of various forms.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Definitely not and in fact, even on this planet bipedalism is relatively rare.

When people cite humanoid aliens it's simply another example of men inventing gods in their own image; humans once again anthropomorphizing the universe.

I find it funny, they see the 'human' part in humanoid and automatically assume a bipedal human species from another world. Why are these people so afraid of simple biology and rudimentary education?

Reply to post by deccal

A video for "monkeys" I enjoyed it a lot. I hope you will too. Sometimes we have to "think" very hard about our origins, which we always already. Of course, it is a right question to ask "in what sense it will help me to accept that i am a monkey?" Yes, we have to go further, we are creating a new reality, but sometimes we just don't forget that we are nothing but fraking MONKEYS. www.dailymotion.com...

Loved the video deccal - Here are a few more ways we are similar to chimps and they are similar to us!
www.independent.co.uk...
Chimpanzees 'launch murderous sprees to expand their territories'

Gangs of chimpanzees kill individuals from neighbouring groups in order to expand their territory and seize new food resources, according to a new study of the animals' notoriously aggressive behaviour in the wild.

www.mnn.com...
Chimpanzees found making sex toys

It turns out that humans aren't the only animals that occasionally need a little help in the bedroom. According to the New York Times, researchers have discovered wild chimpanzees spicing up their love lives by creating sex toys. That's right: sex toys.

news.bbc.co.uk...
Chimpanzees 'hunt using spears'

Chimpanzees in Senegal have been observed making and using wooden spears to hunt other primates, according to a study in the journal Current Biology. Researchers documented 22 cases of chimps fashioning tools to jab at smaller primates sheltering in cavities of hollow branches or tree trunks.

rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org...
Contagious yawning in chimpanzees

Six adult female chimpanzees were shown video scenes of chimpanzees repeatedly yawning or of chimpanzees showing open-mouth facial expressions that were not yawns. Two out of the six females showed significantly higher frequencies of yawning in response to yawn videos; no chimpanzees showed the inverse. Three infant chimpanzees that accompanied their mothers did not yawn at all. These data are highly reminiscent of the contagious yawning effects reported for humans. Contagious yawning is thought to be based on the capacity for empathy. Contagious yawning in chimpanzees provides further evidence that these apes may possess advanced self-awareness and empathic abilities.

blogs.nature.com...
Homicide: Chimpanzee Turf Wars - June 22, 2010

A decade of vicious, internecine battles between chimps has been documented in a new paper in Current Biology. Twenty-one chimps were killed or fatally wounded in Kibale National Park, Uganda, over this time period by a group of male chimps from a large community in a region of the park called Ngogo. As many as 13 of the victims may have belonged to a single neighbouring group, representing an extremely high rate of mortality due to intergroup violence, exceeding median rates of mortality due to intergroup violence reported for humans in agricultural and hunter-gatherer populations and compared to the median rate suffered by individuals in 9 well-studied chimp communities. The motive appears to be territory. John Mitani from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and his colleagues spent 10 years observing the 150 Ngogo chimps. They even watched 18 of the killings (the other three were inferred from carcasses and faeces containing chimp remains). Most of the time, male chimps behave like rowdy, loud frat boys, but once every 10 to 14 days, they act like cooperative adults and wage war.

www.mnn.com...
New evidence shows chimps face death like humans

Chimpanzees were previously thought to process death in a detached, animalistic fashion. But new evidence shows the animals mourn death much like humans do, revealing an awareness of death that is much more developed than previously thought. Discovery News reports on two recently published studies showing the details of how chimps process the death of companions and offspring.

And this was interesting too.
www.grg.org...

The real challenge then will be finding the changes that played a major role in the evolution of chimps and humans since the two lineages split, [5 - 8] million years ago. Nothing obvious has leapt out of the initial analysis. “From this study, there’s no silver bullet of what makes chimps chimps and humans humans,” says Evan Eichler of the University of Washington at Seattle.
A preliminary examination of these changes has revealed that, confusingly, most of the changes between humans and chimps seem to affect genes unrelated to language, intelligence, or any of the special things that we associate with humanity. Rather, most of the changes involve genes affecting our immune and reproductive systems. This actually makes sense, some researchers say, because these are among the fastest-evolving parts of the genome in many animals. Immune systems evolve rapidly because of evolutionary arms races between animals and the pathogens that attack them. The two sexes also undergo arms races of a sort in sexual organisms, leading to speedy reproductive system evolution.

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reply to post by rusethorcain


*sigh* ...

What do you have against getting an education? Do you find it difficult to conduct basic research into a term you don't know much about? Do you enjoy making pathetic uneducated arguments that are literally devoid of any meaningful information?

I understand this come's off as insulting and I understand that you would take offense to others pointing out your lack of knowledge on the subjects your discussing. Yet you have to understand, there are two people who *do* know a bit more about these topics and you obviously don't.

You sit there and arrogantly continue and erroneously attempt to defend your inaccurate opinion of these topics. You can watch all the video's you want and read all the fringe books you want, it will never amount to any real applicable knowledge on the origins of life on this planet. Simply waltzing around life pretending to have a clue doesn't inherently mean you really do have a clue. Not learning biology doesn't make your opinions of humanity and it's origins correct in any way, shape, or form.

When you hear something or read something, your first step should not be blind acceptance. You should have the innate drive and desire to learn every aspect about the topic as well as the terminology and science behind everything involved. You simply refuse to do so out of pure arrogant laziness.

In all seriousness, please... learn something about biology and given your recent comment, research the psychology behind narcissism. It's rather interesting and amazing that there are so many degrees and forms of this behavioral trait.

FOR THE SECOND TIME, AND LAST...

I'm going to ask for the snarky little commentary to stop. I won't be asking again.

Warnings will follow. Persists after that? Post bans.

If you can't discuss this topic without the little digs, don't post. Civility is required.

reply to post by rusethorcain

This states a good case for the chimp origin.

Chimpanzees 'launch murderous sprees to expand their territories'
Gangs of chimpanzees kill individuals from neighbouring groups in order to expand their territory and seize new food resources, according to a new study of the animals' notoriously aggressive behaviour in the wild.

The article has nothing to do with the origins of Chimpanzees.

Chimpanzees found making sex toys
It turns out that humans aren't the only animals that occasionally need a little help in the bedroom. According to the New York Times, researchers have discovered wild chimpanzees spicing up their love lives by creating sex toys. That's right: sex toys.

What point are you attempting to make? By what reasoning are you posting an article in regards to the sexual behavior of another primate? Did you know they also have chimp prostitutes?

Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by deccal

 

We're not monkey's at all, we're a member of the great apes along with Chimpanzees and Gorillas. Christ... why can't people get it right? If you don't have a tail, your not a damn monkey.

chimpanzees and gorillas have tails, too. you stupid monkey, they are just "inny" tails. like my inny belly button.


fling poo,
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If anyone had watched the original video posted by the op they would notice it has nothing to do with the origins of chimpanzees and little to do with even the specifics of evolution. It is a tongue in cheek reference to man and his monkey nature.
It aptly points out and is supported here in the thread modern man is little more than an ignorant beast plodding a future for himself armed with insecurity, static, inflexible factoids and the self awareness of monkeys.