F-22 VS Su-30...... who would win?

The f-22 is best close and far. With its new EMP radar, how tha faock are they going to get by?

The raptor is best close and far, with its EMP radar, how tha fock is a enemy going to live?

Both would be almost impossible 2 shoot down with SAMs because of stealth capabilties the same would need a radar lock which you cant get on either jets.

What range dose the F-22 have to be in to fire its AIM 120D's. The F-22 is only as good as the weapons it uses.

The F-22 has not been tested against the new Russian IBRIS-E radar yet.
The Russian SU's can carry AA missiles that has a longer range then a AIM 120 D. What IF the SU's can detect the F-22 in time to shoot its AA missiles before the F-22 can fire its AIM 120d's.

Well its patriotic to believe that your own weapons are the best. So you will have two parts with different opinions anyway.

I have also heard that the Russians also challenged the F-22 in a AA combat. But the Americans declined from doing it.

Let the propaganda live lol

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Excuse me for asking, but why are this 2 aircraft even being compared? One is a 4th generation aircraft, the other is a 5th generation aircraft. Totally incorrect comparison. You need something to compare the F-22 to? Wait till the Pak-Fa arrives. Until then, we do not have a 5th generation aircraft, so therefore we do not have anything to match the F-22.

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I know!! but its quit odd that we do compare a new fighter to an older one. The SU and MIG is a mater of fact a threat to the F-22 even if it is a 4th generation fighter because of its radar and long range AA strike capabilities.

The F-22 dosent have long range strike capability unless it carries its BVR AA's outside it's frame. But then it becomes less stealthy.




[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

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The F-22 can carry six AMRAAM-D missiles while entering the fight at Mach 2 and 65,000 feet. It has the best radar and EW sensor suite ever devised, while being being extremely stealthy. Strike refers to air to ground, in that it can carry 2 AMRAAM, 2 AIM9, and 2 1000lb bombs.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Only missile that outperforms the AIM-120D is the RAMJET R-77, it exists only on paper; I may as well compare it to the JDRADM. Sensor on the AMRAAM is likely better too. Long range missiles such as the R-37 and the KS-172 have an RCS of a barn door. Use radar to detect it, take appropriate action. Too, the KS-172 is pretty much a paper missile. I'd like to see an Irbis-E detect the F-22 at 150 kilometres, let alone 300...

No Flanker variant even comes remotely close to the F-22. The F-22 is simply better at everything except external payload, maintainence and cost. Anything else is simply wishful, fantasy based, thinking.

[edit on 6/2/2009 by C0bzz]

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Well it would have been quite odd if the F-22 wasn't better then the SU 35 and the MIG.

Lets wait and see what the Russians and Chinese build as their 5th generation first. Then you can start to compare things.

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R-77 missile is not on paper, it is in service and comparable to AIM-120 AMRAAM. It is the plane that we don't have..YET. Pak-Fa will be shown this year and will be going into service soon. So is the T-95.

Edit to add link on R-77:

images.google.ru...

[edit on 6-2-2009 by Russian soldier]

The F-22 would win in a straight up BVR fight. Dogfight would be a tough one to call though

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The Ramjet version of the R-77, called R-77M1, is a paper missile.

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The ones we have in service are already good enough. Plus, when Pak-Fa comes out, there will be even newer missiles just for it.