Evolution says

some of us, for reasons of our own, believe the Bible and disbelieve evolution.
some of us, for reasons of our own, believe the opposite.

I'm sure a few of us believe both...or maybe neither.
so much depends on which evidence we're exposed to and how we interpret same.

it's pointless for either side to say "i'm right and you're an idiot'.

at least all (or at least most) of the participants of these threads are thinking human beings making some effort to understand the world(s) around us. as opposed to some slacker college dude playing with his wii or some airhead chick cell-phoning her way thru The Mall.

here's to all the thinkers! God (or Darwin) bless us!

reply to post by randyvs

How can evolution explain laughter?

That's a good question Randy. I'm no scientist but I'll take a stab at it. Laughter and humor in general are likely advantageous to our survival as they allow for social bonding and we humans are indeed a social species. Laughter also releases endorphins into the brain, so it can serve as a stress reducer.

Here's a link I found doing a google search for the evolution of laughter:

Evolution of Laughter

Seems its not an exclusive trait to us humans, very interesting.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Huh. I'll be. You know what Titen? That is interesting. Never let it be said that your answers arn't thorough. You do present a challege don't you?
Now put that can down, it's gonna burn your brain.


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Everyone criticizing evolution should watch this!! Brilliant series























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Funny, how he claims that they know, because their hypothesis is that they know.

But how can they know sure they "believe" (key word there) that what happens here is the same everywhere. Which may be true but can not be tested in anyway.

Looking though a telescope or even a radio telescope at object trillions of miles away and claiming you can tell it has water on it is quite a trick. Kinda like looking at a dog through binoculars at 50 miles and saying whether or not it has fleas.

Empirical evidence is not in the evolutionary hand book.

Everything is a belief a faith based belief that rivals religion.

Not one evolutionary concept has ever had empirical evidence.

Never seen stars form. Never made life from water dirt and electricity.

And to date corn plants still produce corn and lizards do not give birth to lickens

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Funny, how he claims that they know, because their hypothesis is that they know.

But how can they know sure they "believe" (key word there) that what happens here is the same everywhere. Which may be true but can not be tested in anyway.

Looking though a telescope or even a radio telescope at object trillions of miles away and claiming you can tell it has water on it is quite a trick. Kinda like looking at a dog through binoculars at 50 miles and saying whether or not it has fleas.

Empirical evidence is not in the evolutionary hand book.

Everything is a belief a faith based belief that rivals religion.

Not one evolutionary concept has ever had empirical evidence.

Never seen stars form. Never made life from water dirt and electricity.

And to date corn plants still produce corn and lizards do not give birth to lickens

You're repeating exactly the meaningless talking points the religious groups want you to repeat...mainly that evolution is a belief like religion and that it's got just as much evidence as religion. That's total hogwash, and if you'd watched all the videos, you'd know that. But the religious leaders keep on repeating it over and over and over again, no matter how wrong that statement is...and people start believing it because their "circle" repeats it often enough.

We know the spectral analysis works, and I'm happy you're amazed by the process...it is a remarkable accomplishment. Your last sentence regarding one species giving birth to another within one generation just shows your lack of knowledge regarding how evolution really works. I suggest you re-watch the videos.

The fact is, we know the universe is BILLIONS of years old, it's expanding, and if you trace the light of the stars/galaxies back in time, they can prove it started in a single point. We just don't know what happened before the big bang...just like we didn't know how many planets there where 2000 years ago. As humans learn, they'll figure things out...and we don't need fairy tales to "fill the gaps of knowledge".



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And everyone that criticizes God or the Bible should watch these. Suffer thru the intros .It's worth it.















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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

And everyone that criticizes God or the Bible should watch these.

Oh My! That video (from a DVD you have to buy...) proves everything, please guys, just trow away all the fossils and research....this video is all you need to see...case closed (/end sarcasm)

Deny ignorance...yeah right?

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Still watching, but so far not a single discovery there proves a god caused the fire. It rained sulfur that set the whole city on fire, at least that's what they claim in the video. However, they chose to further claim it was a god who created that sulfur rain...when in reality, there could be a whole set of scientific reasons.

The easiest explanation would be a meteor containing large quantities of sulfur breaking up above the city...which is a lot more likely than a god being vengeful.

Also, the whole S&G story doesn't make a lot of sense. So god decides to rain down destruction because they misbehaved...yet he chooses not to do so today. I'm pretty sure most major cities have a lot more sin (or what Christians consider sin) in them. I mean, just go to any modern city. They're full of corruption, prostitution, murder, and so on. So why doesn't god intervene in an arguably worse case than S&G?? Lazy? Doesn't really give a # anymore?

Anyway, like I said...still watching. I'll let you know if anything changes my opinion in the video

PS: The guys who made the video should really watch the "Scientific Method" video I posted

EDIT:

Just saw you also posted a Noah's ark video. REALLY??? Do I have to point out why the whole concept of that story's flawed? 2 of each kind? Suuuuuuure, all in 1 ship...do you have any idea how many species there are? Yearly hundreds die out, and we discover hundreds new ones. There is NO WAY he was able to stuff 2 of each kind in a wooden ship as the story claims.

Their whole logic is faulty! Even if there was a flood, finding remnants of an old wooden ship in the approximate are where they believe the story happened doesn't prove that this was the only savior ship, or that 2 of each kind were on there as the story claims.

Randy, please, watch that "scientific method" video I posted earlier...

Seriously Randy, comon'...you can do better

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Wow you're really a funny person. Have you ever thought of being a clown. Worthless posts seem to be your specialty.

Mrxyz

Seriously Randy, comon'...you can do better

No I really can't do better than God Mr. Nor would I ever try. Sorry.

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Also, the whole S&G story doesn't make a lot of sense. So god decides to rain down destruction because they misbehaved...yet he chooses not to do so today. I'm pretty sure most major cities have a lot more sin (or what Christians consider sin) in them. I mean, just go to any modern city. They're full of corruption, prostitution, murder, and so on. So why doesn't god intervene in an arguably worse case than S&G?? Lazy? Doesn't really give a # anymore?

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Come on Mr. I know you are capable of understanding these things. I will pay you the compliment if I must. You are an intelligent person obviously.
No doubt no arguement. K?

Now.
Who knows how long Sodom and Gomarah existed before God brought his judgement against them. If you know the story, the angels of God stop by
to see Abraham on their way to Lots house. God waited on lot to leave. Why? They were the only rghiteous left there in. The angel told
Abraham he would not destroy the cities if he could find even ten righteous men. There is a time for everything. Even Gods judgement.

I will watch all your vids tonight as I have to run right now . My word.

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I'm confused as to why sometimes in the Bible God decides to save the righteous/innocent - as in Lot, Enoch, Noah - and other times he does terrible things to them - Job, the first born of Egypt.

Also, this is meant to be the same God from the New Testament, the one who will forgive you and all you have to do is believe in Jesus and ask. But the best plan he come up with for dealing with sinners in the old Testament seems either to smite them or have the Israelites wipe them out in a bloody genocide.

Anyway the Bible has nothing to do with whether Evolution is true or not. Even if Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an ancient angry deity the fossil record and genetics still show the relationships of animals that line up into perfect phylogenetic tree. Even if we assumed the majority of Old Testament stories as true we would still know beyond a doubt that one, the Creation account, is false.

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Er, In my Bible... God didn't do anything to Job.

I enjoy reading your posts, Titen, just for your sheer veracity in defending your absolute conviction in your beliefs of NO GOD AT ALL. You are, if nothing, tenacious.

I say a prayer for you every single day, that you will be at least given a drop of Mercy at the moment of your death. And I promise you I am saying this without any sarcasm at all... As I said, I admire your strength of conviction, at least, it beats most people's lukewarm faiths. I pray for everyone.

Keep on your good fight, my friend!!

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I enjoy reading your posts, Titen, just for your sheer veracity in defending your absolute conviction in your beliefs of NO GOD AT ALL. You are, if nothing, tenacious.

I think tenacious is a good word for Titen. the man can carry his weight
that's for sure.

Titen

Anyway the Bible has nothing to do with whether Evolution is true or not. Even if Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an ancient angry deity the fossil record and genetics still show the relationships of animals that line up into perfect phylogenetic tree. Even if we assumed the majority of Old Testament stories as true we would still know beyond a doubt that one, the Creation account, is false.

I realise, that it has nothing to do with the truth about evolution. That's not the intent with the post either.
Titen I don't think you can say, you know the creation account is false.
Dosn't evolution deal with what is already there? Don't just throw me on the same boat as young earth creationists. I have never said that.
I'm not really sure how the Genesis account provides a time line. I figure
Noah to have been on this earth around ten thousand years ago but I really haven't a clue.

I have to watch the vids now. My words on it.

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reply to post by MrXYZ




Ok First vid.
I always try to think outside the box myself.
At the end he says now we know. Know what? How far away everything is.
The fact that everything is moving away.I have an account for that in Biblical terms.
God stretches out the heavens.
So how does God and the Bible become myth and fairytales? Are they replaced by a ruler a protractor and a compass?


2nd vid
The frequent referencing to myths and fairytales, to assimilate God and the Bible while being most unprofessional is highly suggestive of bias.Not to mention insulting. Not just IMO. A difference I'm glad exists, between the vids you and I have brought to the table. Are scientists really this childish. I'm reminded of some spoiled little brat who befriends
another child just to get his lollipop. Once the brat has the lollipop, No need for the new friend.
It seems the same way with Science. Oh ya! Now we know how he did it. Who needs him anymore?
This has only been going on from the very beginning according to the Bible. We chose to go it alone, because we thought we were smart enough. All your videos are doing for me, is reinforcing everything I already believe. I can tell you why. My faith in God is way stronger then what you can imagine. No not fairytales and myths, even though I might point out there is usually much truth to them also.

I see no reason to go on.

I'm really just appauled.

reply to post by thegoodearth

God didn't do anything to Job.

Handing over permission to Satan to torment the man and kill the man's children is NOTHING?

Job 2:3

3 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."

Emphasis is mine. Source

Job 42:11 also mentions that it was the Lord who brought the evil upon Job, even if Satan is immediately responsible.

Anyway this thread is about Evolution and not the Bible so if you want to discuss the Bible further head on over to my thread on the subject or shoot me a U2U



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reply to post by randyvs

you know the creation account is false.

We do know that its false. We know the Universe and Earth were not created in the same week. We know that animals cannot be summoned into existence instantaneously. We know the Evolution happens and as best as we can tell is responsible for all the bio-diversity we see. We know that humans cannot be formed from dirt and breathed into existence and we know that women are not molded from ribs.

Yes we can know that the Creation account is false at least if taken as a literal week and using divine magic as a way to form creatures.

We cannot know for sure whether there is a God or whether that God has guided Evolution. It is possible that there is a God that guided life into existence through natural processes although there is no evidence of this it cannot be ruled out 100%.

We cannot know for sure whether there is a God or whether that God has guided Evolution. It is possible that there is a God that guided life into existence through natural processes although there is no evidence of this it cannot be ruled out 100%.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


I can only fall short of agreement with you. I agree there is much proof for your argument in favor of evolution.

I know this, that can't be refuted.
Science could be absolutly 100% right about anything and everything.
One day we all will see the irrafutable evidence, proof, truth. That Jesus
Christ is The Messiah. No brag just fact.

Other than that I concede this debate on evolution to you Titen.
May I add, no words ever tasted more fowl.
I do think it was worth it.

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I know you believe Creationists are wrong, and that it's blasphemy to the one, but, why are you concerned?
As much as the Bible indicates that we should act as one, believing in the one only, we have been gifted (by the one) with a thinking mind (well most anyway), a mind that questions everything (through design?) because it's imperative to our survival.

If God did create us, he created us as individuals, walking different paths to different destinations. Those choices should be met with consequences to each individual, be it good or bad, and not as a group.

But there in lies the problem, God of the Bible has shown numerous times of judgement of the many, for the sins of a few.
As much as that logic goes against the grain of Humanity for me, so does the notion that we need to be supportive of God by converting the non believers to conform to a specific believe, for which there are many to choose from.
There is no need to be responsible for others in their believes or lack of.

If we are to be judged, it will/should be on our own merits, there is no prerequisite to follow in life.

Originally posted by Phlynx
Here is a list of human evolutionary fossils. Notice that it does stop off after so long.

en.wikipedia.org...

"human evolutionary fossils"? sounds almost like they're fossils showing human evolution, doesnt it? but thats NOT what the link says. it states:

"The following charts give a brief overview of several notable primate fossil finds relating to human evolution. "

pretty sneaky eh?