Gurkha ordered back to UK after beheading dead Taliban fighter

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by spy66

 

The Gurkha's are one of the greatest fighting units in the world and have immense dignity and pride.

Be assured, The Taliban would not hesitate doing the same or worse to The Gurkha given half a chance.
He did what was asked of him & showed great initiative.

PC do goodery has no place in a theatre of war.

The Gurkha concerned can hold his head high safe in the knowledge that he has served this country, his regiment and his people with honour.

If this was asked of him. Why was he sent home?

Could it be because this is exactly what is no asked of a professional soldier?

Yeah. They sent him home on a well deserved holiday for a job well done. I Don'T Think So. This soldier is done as a Gurkha.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

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I'll bet you a pound to a penny that he isn't finished as a Gurkha and once the self-righteous, PC driven furore dies down he will be back serving with his unit.

He was asked to provide I.D. what better way to do so?
The Taliban 'soldier' was the enemy and was trying to kill him.

What exactly is the problem?

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
I'm absolutely fuming that this soldier was punished. He ws asked to provide proof that the man had been killed, he was under fire and had no choice but to do what he did.

This bit here says it all.

Army sources said that the soldier, who is in his early 20s, initially told investigators that he unsheathed his kukri – the symbolic weapon of the Gurkhas – after running out of ammunition.

Enough said.

Ahhh look - here we have the idiots from the -

- "Anglo-Saxon" lovers
- Anti-Political Correctness brigade (English Democrats, EDL etc - all fascist morons)
- The "Why CANT i offend the Muslims? I enjoy it!" group.
- BLAH BLAH WHITE POWER BLAH BLAH ENGLISH NATIONAL IDENTITY BLAH BLAH CHRISTIAN VALUES BLAH BLAH.

In other news...

A gurkha followed his orders, under extreme circumstances. He should be given a promotion, not punished.

This has NOTHING to do with not offending Muslims, or being politically correct. This has EVERYTHING to do with a corrupt war, with corrupt orders issued by a corrupt government and command chain.

I feel pity for this poor soldier, put into the grinder with orders like these, and given no recourse or protection from inappropriate public scrutiny.

Shame the crazy nationalists have jumped on this with their disgusting racist, religious fundamentalist and fascist views.

Parallex.

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Erm... Which views?

Who brought up the EDL or nationalism????

reply to post by spy66


My Grandfather retired as a Major in the 8th Gurkha rifles in 1948. He and his men fought hard in the jungles of Burma, and I can assure you that many Japanese heads were taken by his men.

It's nothing new, the Gurkahs have always practiced this, and their reputation as the most feared soldiers on the battlfield is built by their courage, honour and sacrifice.....and of course the blade they use.

What I find disgusting is that that Army and the people who he fights to keep safe have turned their backs on him.

Nobody batted an eye when the Japs were losing their heads in the Burmese jungles!!!!!

So he did it for identification? How stupid are those who would believe this! And is there any proof the man was dead beforehand?
More like it was pure bloodlust.
So what if the Taliban do it. We can't sink to their level. And if this was in the heat of battle, how come he even had the time? Was he not neglecting his comrades?
Or did everyone politely stop fighting so he could sit down and methodically saw off someone's head?



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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Hawkwind.
I'm absolutely fuming that this soldier was punished. He ws asked to provide proof that the man had been killed, he was under fire and had no choice but to do what he did.

This bit here says it all.

Army sources said that the soldier, who is in his early 20s, initially told investigators that he unsheathed his kukri – the symbolic weapon of the Gurkhas – after running out of ammunition.

Enough said.

Well they still sent him home. I guess that blade dont mean shiit when it comes to the morality of its use.

He cant hide behind some blade to justify his actions. The same goes for your opinion, just wait and see how far it will get you.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Parallex

 

Erm... Which views?

Who brought up the EDL or nationalism????

Come on, don't be coy, you know what I'm on about.

Parallex.

Originally posted by Parallex

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Parallex

 

Erm... Which views?

Who brought up the EDL or nationalism????

Come on, don't be coy, you know what I'm on about.

Parallex.

No i'm not... As far as i was concerned this thread was dealing with people either arguing against the Gurkha beheading the dead Taliban or for him... Discussing morality.

When did nationalism come up?

Seriously.

Originally posted by spy66
He cant hide behind some blade to justify his actions. The same goes for your opinion, just wait and see how far it will get you.

I'm older than you and my opinions have done just fine thus far.
Let's get back on topic and try not to take anything personally or get uptight.

We will see a dog and pony show trial. If anybody actually read the article, It clearly states UK forces have after previous battles returned missing Taliban body parts before. They should just return the head and call it even. The article is obviously biased. Making claims that he has shamed his regiment. BS!

Those are fellow Gurkhas!

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Originally posted by Hawkwind.


A message to our soldiers, if you're out there on the battlefield fighting for your life with blood and guts all around you whilst under enemy fire, be careful not to offend the Muslims or you may get into big trouble, amazing isn't it? Once again I find myself sickened by the pc brigade and I now have nothing but contempt for this brave soldiers superiors for not protecting him.

Smoke, Fire. Etc.

Parallex.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
The article is obviously biased. Making claims that he has shamed his regiment. BS!

It is biased - it's the Daily Fail the article has come from.

That paper is responsible for much of the increase in bigotry, fear and generally small-minded fascism that we have here in the UK.

Parallex.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by spy66
He cant hide behind some blade to justify his actions. The same goes for your opinion, just wait and see how far it will get you.

I'm older than you and my opinions have done just fine thus far.




Those are fellow Gurkhas!

Its not what i meant. Your opinion wont change the fact that he is done being a Gurkha. This soldier has been debriefed as well by his superiors, and i guess his side of the story didn't fall well with them either. If they supported the importance you all sympathise in, he would never have been sent home like this. They would have argued his action on his behalf without doubt.

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No offence though Parallex - but it's not illegal or wrong or bad to be patriotic or nationalistic. You might not agree with the opinion, but to start calling people idiots for being so - proves to me you are as equally bigotted in your opinions.

I'm guessing you may be UAF friendly? In my opinion they're as bad or worse than their opponents the EDL.

Both the EDL and UAF are full of trouble makers and i find both groups to harbour hatred and create division, whether it's the right wing skinhead EDL or the hypocritical pro-sharia UAF member.

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Anyway back on topic: A Taliban member got beheaded by a man who was out of ammo. The armchair generals and the PC brigade are making judgements from the comfort and safety of their computer chairs and you are the one who is bringing nationalism into this debate.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Parallex

 

No offence though Parallex - but it's not illegal or wrong or bad to be patriotic or nationalistic. You might not agree with the opinion, but to start calling people idiots for being so - proves to me you are as equally bigotted in your opinions.

Ok, a sensible answer deserves a sensible rebuttal. I agree with your opinion, and I do harbor 'some' nationalist viewpoints on certain topics. However, most of the nationalist population in the UK let alone ATS comprises fascist, racist scumbags.

I'm guessing you may be UAF friendly? In my opinion they're as bad or worse than their opponents the EDL.

I despise the UAF for their ridiculous approach to fighting Fascism (EDL).

Both the EDL and UAF are full of trouble makers and i find both groups to harbour hatred and create division, whether it's the right wing skinhead EDL or the hypocritical pro-sharia UAF member.

Agreed. Not so different.

Anyway back on topic: A Taliban member got beheaded by a man who was out of ammo. The armchair generals and the PC brigade are making judgements from the comfort and safety of their computer chairs and you are the one who is bringing nationalism into this debate.

The nationalist agenda is extremely relevant to this topic. The Daily Mail incites Nationalist fervor - specifically along the race-hate and bigotry lines. Anyone who supports their sentiments in their articles is doing so blindly, and in support of fascist propaganda. The Gurkha issue itself is irrelevant - it's the political and media capital that's being made out of it that is newsworthy. Who's guilty? The Fascist nationalists and fundies - that's who.

Parallex.

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reply to post by spy66

Explanation: Uhm???

Its still wrong to behead a dead man.

Some times it called an Autopsy!

Personal Disclosure: I recently watched a FAKE forensic drama TV show and they [the Drs/morticians] totally trepaned the top of the dead victims skull and removed his brain...now if thats not beheading I dont know what else would qualify since that example is the most EXTREME beheading I can actually imagine being done to anybody who was still alive!!!

P.S. If I was the Johnny Ghurka ...thats what I would claim..I would say I engaged and killed the enemy and then having run out of ammo and being protected under the cover fire by my fellow soldiers, I performed a battlefiend medical procedure called a forensic autopsy to confirm both the targets death and identity..the action was quickly performed by killing two birds with one swipe of my traditional fighting knife [designed exactly for that proceedure on live victims I note as well ] and the returning of the large chunk of DNA sample for further analysis and confirmation of correct target elimination...see wrap it up all in medical and technical Jargon and wallah hey presto chango... One Iron Clad Alibi!

Edited buggy emoticon and to add in and the word Jargon. soz

Edited a from into by..changes the whole context....and now I'm not being shot at! Yes I'm Drunk...wanna fight about it???
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From what I've read before Gurkha's cutting the heads off of enemy soldiers in warfare is nothing new.

However I hardly consider the situation in Afghanistan to be a "war" in the conventional sense.

Plus he was trying to prove the man was dead. Yes it's a very grisly act. Was there really no other way?

If he was cutting the head off for the hell of it then I'd have a major problem with it, but if he cut it off as a last resort for identification reasons then so be it.

But I wouldn't want such a thing to become common practice. As another user said, we're supposed to have the moral high ground and NOT be doing the kinds of things the Taliban have allegedly done, i.e. cutting heads off.

Originally posted by Kram09
Plus he was trying to prove the man was dead. Yes it's a very grisly act. Was there really no other way?

If he was cutting the head off for the hell of it then I'd have a major problem with it, but if he cut it off as a last resort for identification reasons then so be it.

You and I rarely see eye to eye on many topics but, Here we have common ground.

Many have asked if a photo would have sufficed. What was he supposed to do? Stop and drop everything in the middle of a firefight and run his ass down to the local Quickymart and buy a disposable camera?

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Kram09
Plus he was trying to prove the man was dead. Yes it's a very grisly act. Was there really no other way?

If he was cutting the head off for the hell of it then I'd have a major problem with it, but if he cut it off as a last resort for identification reasons then so be it.

You and I rarely see eye to eye on many topics but, Here we have common ground.

Many have asked if a photo would have sufficed. What was he supposed to do? Stop and drop everything in the middle of a firefight and run his ass down to the local Quickymart and buy a disposable camera?

Not at all. But if they were told to bring home evidence and it was a high priority to do so, Planing to do that without the body would be a major part of the planning process. Remember these soldier are professionals.

Professionals always bring the right tools to get the job done professionally, not like this.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]