CLOSE-UP VIDEO: Pilot filming plane spraying into the air

if this is a refueling military plane, is there any chance this is a emergency fuel dump practice drill?

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Maybe...maybe not

is most likey an disfo agent, he wont admit it, but you can tell by the threads and posts he makes or posts on them.

Whew, i'm glad Neformore is here as a moderator with such a condensending tone to let us know how stupid we are for believing such radical and crazy things such as "chemtrails" exist..

How dare us come to a conspiracy website and think such things when it's so obvious by the data that was given to us about that video that it was "saturated air" etc..

Oh wait, there was no data and it's just his opinion much like everybody else has their own opinions..

Originally posted by Copernicus

This video filmed by a pilot yesterday shows clear evidence of a plane spraying something into the air above the clouds, apparently over Canada. There are many more videos on his youtube site.

What do you think is being sprayed?



[edit on 18-7-2010 by Copernicus]

Yes, but if this operation were so secret, why would the pilot carry out this spraying knowing that another plane was close by watching him? Unless he did not know that stuff was coming out......

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


I wouldn't say disinfo agent necessarily...that's too vague. Maybe someone who simply believes very strongly. However, off the top of my head, I don't recall the usual chemtrail debunkers addressing weather modification operations and the possible correlations. All I seem to recall is the "they're just persistent contrails" discussion point, and to be honest, I don't pay a lot of attention to that point.

Any old threads about this specific thing from them we can read? Correlation of chemtrail incidents to weather modification operations?

reply to post by ~Lucidity

they do, they spray dry ice and silver iodide into clouds.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by Copernicus

 

Fortunately, a "chemtrail" is a paranoid delusion.

Unfortunately, irrational people keep ignoring scientific evidence & logical thinking, thereby unnecessarily scaring people who are susceptible to such ideas.

There is no such thing as a "chemtrail".

Scientific evidence and logical thinking is unfortunately missing in your response.

Thanks for trying to "help" me though. I appreciate your concern about other people who may be susceptible to such ideas, but I believe they can think for themselves and have no need for someone else to tell them what to think.



[edit on 18-7-2010 by Copernicus]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
#1) how does this random pilot get to fly right behind a KC-10 like this??

#2) is this type of flight maneuver even legal? seems really dangerous to follow that close

#3) who shot this video?

#4) who was the pilot of the craft following the KC10?

This may help us figure out the video better.

1) Most likely a zoom is being used. The sometimes shaky picture indicates it.

2) See answer 1.

3) Anonymous. His real name is not on youtube. He probably doesnt feel like getting fired from his job.

4). See answer 3.



[edit on 18-7-2010 by Copernicus]

Can i add my veiws on this. I believe all this chemtrail stuff is a load of cock n bull. The amount of planes which have left trails over my house and town in constantly frequent, ive just looked outside and can already see four seperate trails. But i havent fell sick and ive lived in the same house for over 24 years, there hasnt been any strange illnesses in my town or surrounding areas.

Now im no specialist but if u sprayed somethin in the air at say 35,000 feet surely the jet stream and air movement higher up would make these so called chemicals drift off for many many miles. If planes were to pump out chemicals, would it not be hard to control where the chemicals will go and which way they will travel .. if you see what im gettin at

Nothing in chemtrails...yeah riiiight...photos

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S&F

Originally posted by Copernicus

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by Copernicus

 

Scientific evidence and logical thinking is unfortunately missing in your response.

Thanks for trying to "help" me though. I appreciate your concern about other people who may be susceptible to such ideas, but I believe they can think for themselves and have no need for someone else to tell them what to think.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by Copernicus]

Well said... I can't help but notice as of late that so many on here beg for people to think for them.. They can't wait for certain people to fly in to a thread with a WHOOOSH, cape flapping in the wind and start regurgitating the same canned answers that you can get off of any google search.

I thought most people arrived at this site through because they were indeed "free thinkers" and thought outside of the box. It seems as if that's not the case and instead many of them stroke the ego of "professional debunkers" (as your motto so eloquently puts it!) instead and allow them to think FOR them.

To me, that is no different then going and watching MSM... why is it so hard to use your human intuition and think for yourself..

reply to post by Ouroborus2012


Don't you know by now that people like MMN are here to think FOR us? That's right, their word is gospel. They are the kings of conviction in the land of Know-it-All.

Movin' on.

It seems the government/military already have damage-control patrol out there (seeing it's very hard to deny). They claim they're spraying chaff for some type of experimental anti-radar crap.

Whatever. But don't worry folks, MaybeMaybeNot says this is all paranoia so, let's party down!





[edit on 18-7-2010 by One Moment]

Originally posted by Ouroborus2012
I can't help but notice as of late that so many on here beg for people to think for them.. They can't wait for certain people to fly in to a thread with a WHOOOSH, cape flapping in the wind and start regurgitating the same canned answers that you can get off of any google search.

Yes, and once these people have dispensed their patronizing pearls of wisdom they fly off again, after putting the poster in his / her place with their definitive answer or opinion on the subject.

Kinda looks to me like they are intentionally ditching fuel, if they have to land much sooner than planned for whatever reason, usually a problem with the aircraft they have to ditch the fuel to make it safe to land, it's quite a regular occurrence.

reply to post by Copernicus




I was trying to comprehend the Italian subtitles, and then English speaking voices started laughing and saying they're 'glad they're above the spray...or they'd be dead'. It sounded as if one said: 'don't film NOW...' as though the pilot had a beer in hand.

They were laughing and joking...but what if THEY were being 'filmed'. You know, license plate number, driver's license, passenger ID....


It causes me to wonder about rules of air travel, on board radar (is it possible the pilots of the sprayer craft were oblivious to being shadowed, etc?), and a host of other things. I suppose research is needed in order to get the full effect of the experience.

Flight control: "Your flight plan, sir?"
Pilot: "I'm just gonna do whatever that plane does..."

I doubt that it's real. Has to be a dub on a flight training film.

As to disinfo agents...I found myself pondering some words I'd read, namely the ones phrased to ensure that chemtrails are NEVER to be recognized, if only be means of stating that they NEVER were a valid concern or subject. There's something so sweeping, ridicule filled, in the syntax of the platitudes. It is as if the sentences are a red carpet rolled out for the future in which no one dare say 'chem trail'.

It is a wide subject, to be sure. But no matter what the true course of these real or imagined things are, one day they will be a reality. To lump these chemtrail threads into the 'looney bin' is as bad as disinfo. I am especially watchful when I see the same posters wasting their time saying what a joke it all is. Why bother? There are hundreds of things I have little interest in. I don't waste my time going on their blogs and spouting that it's all garbage.



[edit on 18-7-2010 by davidmann]

[edit on 18-7-2010 by davidmann]

The sheer amount of vapor can not be coming from inside the plane. It almost looks like a steady stream of liquid. I'm calling this one almost debunked.

Originally posted by Now_Then
Kinda looks to me like they are intentionally ditching fuel, if they have to land much sooner than planned for whatever reason, usually a problem with the aircraft they have to ditch the fuel to make it safe to land, it's quite a regular occurrence.

Let's not confuse venting fuel with dumping fuel. Dumping fuel is a premeditated act on the pilot's part. Venting fuel is usually automatic. Fuel expands and contracts depending on the altitude, temperature, all sorts of other factors. So the volume of fuel can exceed the fuel tanks capacity. So the excess if vented into vent tanks. Ram air pushes the vented fuel out of the aircraft through vent ports.

Dumping fuel uses valves to open up the fuel tank which then pushes the fuel into the vent tank for dumping. Dump valves are usually at the bottom of the tank. Vent valves are at the top of the tank.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by Come Clean]

Originally posted by ThePeaceMaker
Can i add my veiws on this. I believe all this chemtrail stuff is a load of cock n bull. The amount of planes which have left trails over my house and town in constantly frequent, ive just looked outside and can already see four seperate trails. But i havent fell sick and ive lived in the same house for over 24 years, there hasnt been any strange illnesses in my town or surrounding areas.

Now im no specialist but if u sprayed somethin in the air at say 35,000 feet surely the jet stream and air movement higher up would make these so called chemicals drift off for many many miles. If planes were to pump out chemicals, would it not be hard to control where the chemicals will go and which way they will travel .. if you see what im gettin at

I was just thinking something along these lines. How do they control where it goes? Do the people spraying chemtrails not care about themselves, their families or their friends? It doesn't make sense to spray something that is dangerous.

Do they spray stuff...I don't know. But how dangerous could it be if they can't control it? Unless it targets down to the genetic level. Which means it would only affect certain groups of people. Heck, if anything the minorities should be the one's freaking out about chemtrails.

[edit on 18-7-2010 by Come Clean]

My brother told me that he remembers watching a tv show on BBC1 called tomorows world it was around the mid 80s and they were speaking about the depleating of the ozone lair, and that one option to repair it was to get jet plains to spray a chemical into the sky, one of the side affects was it would whiten the sky, I have been trying to find this episode but to no avail, any way his theory is that these planes are trying to fix the ozone lair and that maybe the chemicals are harmful to some people and the PTB think better the death of a few hundred thousand than the deaths of millions,

reply to post by Come Clean


Well this paragraph from wiki seems pretty appropriate in that I assumed it to be a fuel dump.

Many movies and TV news stories mistakenly assume that all aircraft can dump fuel, when in fact most cannot. In certain atmospheric conditions where the moisture content of the air is high, 737s (and other aircraft) flying at low altitudes sometimes leave a moisture trail that can come off the top of the wing, wingtips, or trailing edge flaps. Moisture trails coming off the trailing edge flaps can appear especially odd, since the moisture is being "spun" by aerodynamic forces. It is possible that some people observe these moisture trails and may think this is fuel being dumped; however, this is just water vapor, not fuel.