Bizzare daytime footage of an object emitting smaller orbs

reply to post by Mark_7_4



Yes, that was done by using a still as a background and adding the little lights in another layer.

You will notice there is not the slightest shape change to the edges of the clouds throughout. Even on a calm day there would slight changes. Notice the tiny little bits along the edge do not change. I doubt they spent more than a few minutes on that one. The camera movement is easy to fake and in this case you can tell the camera movements are not real or natural.

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On topic -

The airplanes are getting old.

wow, that's some of the most interesting footage I've seen in a long time (unlike a certain 25 odd page thread of people arguing over a helicopter!).

Really interesting stuff. My first thought for the daylight video was something that looked like ejecta from a moving object, as at one point it seemed to be streaming off the object, however it didn't seem to be moving away so not sure.

The night time shots of the objects moving/morphing between a single and dual light plus the smaller lights coming off it are extremely interesting. I have no explanation I can even think of that it could be. Especially given the movement patterns and the fact that they appear stationery for so long before moving off and changing into the two light configuration.

Very interesting and good find!

And I've not heard of Alison Kruse before, but to be fair if she is a know hoaxer, or features many ufo related images/videos that doesn't mean everything related to her is necessarily a hoax. 99% of the stuff on ATS relating to ufos is either a hoax or easily explained (also regarded a hoax sometimes). That shouldn't mean that the other 1% is automatically considered a fake. The whole point is that they are UNIDENTIFIED flying objects, so if we can all identify 99% than that means we're getting somewhere

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Simple. You tell me the last time you saw an airplane split into multiple orbs?

When skydivers jumped out.

reply to post by crezo


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The night time shots of the objects moving/morphing between a single and dual light plus the smaller lights coming off it are extremely interesting.

Gee, iis it really this easy to fool ordinary people, with crap hoax videos of AIRPLANES?!?

Airplanes, departing (mostly) from an airport several miles away.

GO OUT to a large nearby airport, camp out at night, align yourself in the right spot, and take your own videos!!! You'll get similar results!



It is simply amazing, to me, the gullibiilty exhibited here. I fear for the future of our species if this represents a new trend in Humanity......

reply to post by Mordeen

This is a privately owned website. There is no requirement that "free speech" be allowed. In fact, if you read the T&C there is no guarantee of "free speech". Deal with it.

BTW, there has been no censorship of this video. Neither the thread nor the video has been removed. The video is being discussed, is it not? Feel free to continue discussing it.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Simple. You tell me the last time you saw an airplane split into multiple orbs?

When skydivers jumped out.

Seriously, would you like to try again? Because your answer sounded pretty desperate. I'm not even going to debate why those aren't skydivers for obvious reasons.

This is classic.

When the airplanes in the videos turn to land, and show what they really are PLANES, these hoaxsters say the UFO's are disguising themselves as airplanes!!!


or


Maybe the UFO's are actually Airplanes disguising themselves as UFO's!!!


Wait.....

Very dissapointed, you usually come up with some decent stuff DD. I'm fairly shocked YOU posted obvious airplane footage

reply to post by weedwhacker


Then lets discuss skydivers jumping out of a plane regarding the daylight footage on June 12th.

reply to post by Nola213


Again, may I re-direct you to what the crux of this discussion was about: THE FIRST CLIP-Where there is a seemingly different object in the DAYTIME footage, which is not our average garden day variety of usual clips posted, nor is it footage captured by the individual that all of the debunkers are focusing upon to derail this footage. Pay attention to the FIRST clip of the daytime footage please. Peace.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by Nola213

 

Again, may I re-direct you to what the crux of this discussion was about: THE FIRST CLIP-Where there is a seemingly different object in the DAYTIME footage, which is not our average garden day variety of usual clips posted, nor is it footage captured by the individual that all of the debunkers are focusing upon to derail this footage. Pay attention to the FIRST clip of the daytime footage please. Peace.

They won't touch it. Ufology 1 - debunkers 0

[edit on 15-7-2010 by FlySolo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
All threads regarding the author of the YT video are moved to HOAX. Please read this for more info. This is not reflection of the OP.

How is this thread related to this women? And why are you warning that this(?) may be relegated to the hoax-bin? I don't understand the connection!

Is this her video? If so........why, how and where are you saying she (Alice) is using lasers?

You people pick up threads/conversations as if everyone knows what you're talking about.

All I know is, I watched the OP video and [[[bam]]]]....all of a sudden this became this deranged and dangerous person' footage!

I totally don't understand the parallel. Can you enlighten us who are in the dark? But please, I don't want your opinion. I want to see EXACTLY where she's faking these videos with airplanes and....using lasers.

Thanks

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by FlySolo
Simple. You tell me the last time you saw an airplane split into multiple orbs?

When skydivers jumped out.

Seriously, would you like to try again? Because your answer sounded pretty desperate. I'm not even going to debate why those aren't skydivers for obvious reasons.

What obvious reasons?

I''m not sure they are skydivers but I don't see any obvious reasons to rule that out, they fall down like skydivers would.

Do you think that they aren't because they look like "orbs" and you don't see 2 arms and 2 legs?

At that resolution almost anything can look like an orb from a great enough distance.

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by freighttrain


By the way, why can't I "flag" this thread?

Because over zealous mods moved it to the hoax forum based on the fact this clip was posted on a known hoaxer or naive person's website. this is enough to make the claim of it being a hoax

I don't understand.... why is that the debunker decide on what aspect of the subject to focus on to make their case...?! So why focus on "WHO" posted this video (the original supposed hoaxer), then to focus on the "CONTENT" ?! What's DD posted here is NOT about the person posting this, it is about the content (the first clip).

Why so many debunker's think they have to make OPs thread a HOAX simply because of who it represents.... FOCUS on the content! Maybe the MOD and DEBUNKER'S should focus on explaining the first clip, then jump to the conclusion that it MUST be a hoax, because the persons website is questionable?!

What a sad way of debating such subject... might as well move the entire UFO thread in the HOAX section because eventually these videos will be presented, or found by some questionable characters.... sad to see this is how we judge things on ATS, rather then DISCUSS the content of the video....

[edit on 15-7-2010 by freighttrain]

reply to post by One Moment


Please go to the link that is provided and you will not be surprised as to what is the reason why. You will make the connection after you go there.

posted this in the other thread


Watch this from 1:34 on and take into account the extreemly crappy quality of the home VHS cam used to film the "ufo"


watch from 3:40 on

[edit on 15-7-2010 by zaiger]

Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by FlySolo

Originally posted by freighttrain


By the way, why can't I "flag" this thread?

Because over zealous mods moved it to the hoax forum based on the fact this clip was posted on a known hoaxer or naive person's website. this is enough to make the claim of it being a hoax

I don't understand.... why is that the debunker decide on what aspect of the subject to focus on to make their case...?! So why focus on "WHO" posted this video (the original supposed hoaxer), then to focus on the "CONTENT" ?! What's DD posted here is NOT about the person posting this, it is about the content (the first clip).

Why so many debunker's think they have to make OPs thread a HOAX simply because of who it represents.... FOCUS on the content! Maybe the MOD and DEBUNKER'S should focus on explaining the first clip, then jump to the conclusion that it MUST be a hoax, because the persons website is questionable?!

What a sad way of debating such subject... might as well move the entire UFO thread in the HOAX section because eventually these videos will be presented, or found by some questionable characters.... sad to see this is how we judge things on ATS, rather then DISCUSS the content of the video....

[edit on 15-7-2010 by freighttrain]

That is my sentiment exactly. I don't know what one has to do with the other. In fact, I am confused as to the first (the ORIGINAL) video, being this Alice's video?

I don't get it at all.

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by One Moment

 

Please go to the link that is provided and you will not be surprised as to what is the reason why. You will make the connect

The link GreenEye the Mod provided? I don't feel like trudging through and attempt to separate the wheat (debunkers) from the chaff (the thread).

Is there a pivotal and indisputable video showing that she is knowingly video-taping airplanes? Or.........is that YOUR opinion?

And where does the 'dangerous lasar' come into the picture?

But first, please tell me, how is this thread linked to Alice? (not that it'll dissuade me for I don't even know who this person is)

reply to post by One Moment


Sorry you may have misunderstood my post I agree with you. I was saying to see it because the posters on there are also the same ones that are here calling it a hoax because of the name that it is connected with. I just thought it was interesting that without even a chance to get comments any thread with that name or even being remotely connected to her is automatic hoax material. Sorry I did clarify my post a little more.

reply to post by One Moment


I would say that it should have the chance for others to give their opinions before it is sent off to die a slow death in the hoax cemetary. This is a great site but sometimes it lets a few who decide things are a hoax be the final say so on certain topics. This is not any personal attack on anyone on ATS I just think they should have to bring some hard facts to he table other than its a hoax because a name(that has hoaxed in the past) is on the video. I don't know for sure what she has to do with this video but I wouldn't jump and call it a hoax without some hard facts. Hey we are all wrong sometimes but there needs to at least be good evidence from the otherside of the fence.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Mordeen

 

This is a privately owned website. There is no requirement that "free speech" be allowed. In fact, if you read the T&C there is no guarantee of "free speech". Deal with it.

Chill, Phage. My post was intended to get people to stop bellyaching about censorship and move on. You restated my point, though I thought I had made it pretty clear.

As for my comment about Mod's agendas, if that offends anyone, well, deal with it. Mods have agendas, whether fair or foul, and their privileges as mods allow them to further those agendas with or without the support of the membership. As long as posters understand that, then many pointless, bickering posts can be avoided. . .kinda like yours and mine on the very subject.

I think the mods here are pretty good at being objective and fair. Better than most on the net. And I think the "agenda" of most here is a positive one.

-Mordeen

reply to post by Mordeen


Well said. And you are right the mods on here are some of the best I have seen on the net and do a good job at letting threads run their course, but I guess all I can say is were all human at least I think we are. I guess we all have our own agendas at some point in time.