An Excellent Alternative To A Hand Gun

I think I'll stick with firearms. If I have a problem which requires using deadly force, I'm not going to settle for less-lethal. If I'm in fear for my life and have a firearm within reach, you can bet I'll use that, just as I'd use anything else I could get my hands on if I didn't have my weapon with me. Just because someone can't see you doesn't mean they're not a threat.

The wasp spray was first made famous in the movie "Extremities" which was based on a play by William Mastrimone.

Here is an excerpt from the movie featuring some defense moves by using things at hand.

Originally posted by mars1
Well over here in UK are overlords will not let us have gun's but i think wasp spray is also a bad idea over here.

You see if someone attacks us and we spray them even to defend ourselves we would end up been sued.

Bad guy's win in UK strange but true.

Thankyou

No they don't.

As a UK gun-owner and user I can tell you it's very easy to get a shotgun.
I also know a gun owner who stood his ground against a burglar (while armed with a shotgun) and after the said criminal bolted nothing was done against the gun-owner.

Thanks for all the comments and flames etc.!

Now let me clarify a couple of things. I am all for owning guns. I would if I thought it was not a safety issue.To the person that made comments about a special needs child being a safe cracker. He doesn't have to be a genius at figuring out the locking device to get to that gun.

You honestly think he is going to take the time to crack a safe? You are kidding right? As one poster said it would become a huge challenge, and for that moment a lifetime goal to see how cool that gun really is. Trust me if he didn't get in that safe on the first try by the 15th in the middle of the morning or if i go to the mail box he eventually will by that time I will have run out of hiding places.

As far as as wasp spray, wasp spray is not going to kill him. I can risk that, he is not retarded, just does not understand cause and effect.

Reply to g146541

anyone who would use anything but lethal force against a criminal with an intent to do your harm is an idiot.

I can assure you I am no idiot. After being the victim of a brutal surprise attack myself, I am alive today because I did not use lethal force. You can read about here.......www.abovetopsecret.com...
believe me I would have no problem blowing some guys head off.

The entire point of this thread was to offer something else if for someone reason you cannot own a gun.

Take it for what it is just a suggestion. An opportunity to buy you a little more time, to get out of the house, or get to your gun, and I'm not stopping with one spray.

When I say my son would find away, I am speaking from experience.

Thank you,
Pax

reply to post by paxnatus


Yeah your story looks like you got blindsided, a dog can greatly reduce the chance of this happening, even a yipper dog can be a good early warning system.
Not all folks are gun folks and I understand this, I do not like it but still the same I understand.
Now a bit of insight about me I am a male chauvinistic but not so much of a pig, I actually listen to my wife and more than once she has swayed my opinion.
But she knows if it comes down to it I will ultimately do what I think is best.
Thankfully, we usually conspire well.
Keeping my condition in mind I am of the mindset that a majority of women can be a punching bag for a majority of men guys.
With that in mind I like the idea of a firearm for women as it levels the playing field, t makes my 130lb 5foot nothing wife bigger than an NFL lineman.
That coupled with the dogs I feel pretty good about her if I’m not around.
We gots 3 big doggies who loves momma.
The only reasoning I can think of for anyone not wanting a firearm is they would be or believe that they are a passive person, which is fine as long as you can come to terms with the complications this may bring.
Personally it is not my choice but, then again it’s not my choice.
So if no guns, the best choice is get a dog or 4 the bigger the better get some mace and a baseball bat and some handcuffs just in case you are able to stop hitting the dirtbag that tries to harm you.
Good luck though.

reply to post by g146541


I appreciate your reply. I agree with you as far as the dog. I have a German Shepherd/McKenzie Timber wolf mix. A gentle giant to the people we know and whom we trust. He is "momma's dog".

I do not think you are a male chauvinist, even my husband thinks the use of wasp spray is ridiculous, lol. We just agree to disagree.

Perhaps as my son gets older and begins to understand we will get a gun. Personally I hope that day gets here sooner than later. As of now we have baseball bats, and a Police night stick. It would certainly do the trick. I for one do not want to have to get that close.

Think about college Coeds living on their own. For the girls, it is at least an idea.

Sincerely,
Pax

i'd like a dog with a gun.
.but if you can have shot gun -by all means get one.
the H+R single shot goes for about 100 bucks in the usa.
standard 12 ga buckshot sends out 9 -30cal balls
i like #4 buck too-
at least you have something to say about what goes on.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
Buy a gun and put a trigger lock on it and then put it in a safe. Life is dangerous especially when you let fear rule you. I hope you dont take this the wrong way.

Well, I hope you have a lot of advance warning then. Open the safe, get the key to the trigger lock, remove lock, chamber a round. OK, now I'm ready. Although I don't have one I've seen handgun safes that open with your thumbprint. They can mount in a wall. That might be a faster way to arm yourself in case of need.

If you are under stress you're going to flub everything because of adrenaline rushing through your body. Let me tell you a short story:

I've been attacked when walking my dog by other meaner dogs who felt I and my dog invaded their territory, a public street. So I got myself some good mace, 10% pepper gel, and practiced, i.e.: I went over in my mind's eye what to do a hundred times. Pull my dog back on his leash with my left hand, get the mace from my pocket, point steady at attacking dog, fire. Over and over and over again because I knew the adrenaline would be flowing.

Sure enough, it happened again and I did exactly the above without thinking--other than the resolve to do it. I got that sucker square in the eyes. I felt kind of sorry for him, but I did not start the confrontation. The owner wasn't very happy with me, but I stood my ground and told him I;d settle it in court if he wanted to. He didn't.

Point is that just 'getting a firearm' or 'getting some mace' is just the first step in protecting yourself. You have to be competent in using your weapon of choice.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
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Buy a gun and put a trigger lock on it and then put it in a safe. Life is dangerous especially when you let fear rule you. I hope you dont take this the wrong way.

Better yet, buy a gun, load it, and carry it on your person (get a permit if required). That way you'll always have control of the weapon, and you'll be ready for the bad guys who AREN'T willing to wait while you unlock your safe and remove the trigger lock before continuing their nefarious deeds, as well as the ones who are.

Or not....

reply to post by getreadyalready


Roflmao. During my Marine Corps time spent and done. I had to endure NBC training every 6 months. While in the gas chamber we we had to give a thumbs up or vocal acknowledgment of no gas intrusion. In real life, all of the masks..no not really...most of the masks leaked. We became tolerant to the effects ..mostly.
We were extremely hostile to noobs that admitted that his mask leaked! Why?
Because they try to fix it there on the spot and the rest of us had to endure much longer.
It was the Long booger train out the door.
That noob would never again admit that his mask didn't fit right. His swollen face wasn't due to gas.
Yea. CS creates tears and snot. If you have been exposed to it, You will have no problem ripping the mask off of the user or worse!

My record snot after CS was seven and half feet!

Oh, the tear gas in the chamber thing. been there, done that. However, that chamber gas is wimpy, really. I got tear gassed during a, umm, large gathering of people, and had no respect for it. I had never been gassed and ran through a cloud. BIG Mistake. I was in serious trouble. Every mucus membrane in my body just opened up and flowed. Once you smell tear gas once, you will never forget it.

So then I'm in the service and they tell us to go into the chamber and take our masks off! Yup, that's tear gas all right, but an extremely low concentration. My thought at the time was, if these guys think this is how an actual tear gas attack works, then they are going to be in for a BIG surprise. I really think this was a disservice to us. It was like exposing us to blanks instead of live fire. Fake.

I wouldn't advise people to do this, there are apparently legal repercussions for using wasp spray:

"The Law

One of the pesticides in wasp spray is pyrethin, a neurotoxin. Federal law prohibits its use for anything other than its intended purpose, to kill wasps- maybe bees too, but you may want to consult a lawyer first about that. In some jurisdictions it is against the penal code to use any defensive spray but 2% oleoresin capsicum."

Apparently its not very effective, either.

A medical summary states it "may cause transient irritation in eyes. May cause irritation and defatting of skin. Inhalation may cause nausea, nervousness, symptoms of anesthesia. High concentrations may cause headaches, giddiness, nervousness or blurred vision".

A gentleman claims he was spraying a wasp nest and accidentally received a "good splash" in his face and one eye. He wrote, "I panicked and started to run to a source of water, only to find there was no adverse reaction at all, no more than being squirted with a water pistol".

Wasp Spray vs. Pepper Spray

However, if wasp spray was the only thing I had handy, I might try it (after my guns of course). Shoot to kill, defend yourself. Aim for the head or the chest, because with today's f#ed up legal system, the assailant will probably successfully sue you for shooting him in the leg.

My karate instructor told me something once that always stuck with me:

"Its better to be tried by twelve than carried by six."

I have thought of using wasp spray for a defensive application before. I did not consider the spray by itself as effective as when used with a BIC lighter to ignite the stream forming an impromptu flame thrower. Just do not do this near your drapes or other highly flammable furnishings.

I dont have any kids so i set my .45 loaded in my nightstand when i go to sleep. When i wake up i lock it back in the safe before i leave for work. Been doing that for the past 3 month every day. I dont know why i do it but it makes me sleep ALOT easyer at night.

When i do have kids i will be doing the same thing but have a small compact fingerprint safe in my night stand. it only runs about $200. And at the moment my child become self aware. (really know the meaning of life and death) i will be teaching them gun safety. But as of right now i have no need for a safe like that.

OP i read about your story on being attacked. im speechless at the moment. i dont know how you keep your cool in a time like that. i know it was some time ago but i will be praying for you tonight and asking to help heal any lasting memorys of this event.

Before i started dating my GF (now dating for 22 months now) she told me about a year ago that she was druged and raped in vegas just a few weeks before we started dating. I got off the phone with her after and cryed in the bathroom for an hour. I dont understand how something like this can happen to someone you love and how people are so evil. I will Kill anyone that invades my house and thretens me or my loved ones!

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reply to post by paxnatus


An excellent alternative to a handgun is one of the following but not limited to:

a) rifle
b) shotgun
c) submachinegun
d) machinegun
e) sword
f) phased plasma rifle in a 40-watt range

Its good to keep your options open and having a wasp spray is a start. But don't think having that spray can will solve all of your problems. Always have backup plans of backup plans:

a) gun
b) wasp spray
c) knife
d) taser
e) baseball bat

The list can go on and on. But you get the point. Always have a plan B, C, D,... to Z.

reply to post by guppy


LOL! The Jackie Chan school of Martial Arts. ANYTHING can be a weapon.

Whenever I am faced with any situation, or bump in the night, I run through all the potential weapons in my head. It could be a large glass picture on a wall, or a flowerpot with a pointy decoration, or car key, or a bottle of hairspray. Anything that provides a surprise, a distraction, and hopefully a lot of pain!

@ Camaro

I have 2 small kids a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and I still do exactly what you describe. I open my safe at night, and I put my shotgun next to my bed. The kids know to not touch the guns, and I am within arms reach of it. I lock up the shotgun first thing in the morning, and the .380 goes inside my belt and off to work I go!

The xenon light on the shotgun makes a very, very good flashlight by the way! The 500,000 candlepower, and the distinctive sound of a pump action shotgun makes a wonderful deterrent. If I hit that light in a dark room, it becomes daylight to me, and disorientingly bright to them. It doesn't matter if it is a bear or a burglar, they are going to freeze instantly, or turn tail and run!

When you are approached by someone who has made unlawful entry into your home, whether that's a rapist, a serial killer or a crazed drug addict who wants to take your money and kill you, one of you may well end up dead. You owe it to your children and loved ones, and to yourself to make sure it is the perp. Shoot him. Shoot him so that your family won't be attending your funeral, and so that the perp won't rape or kill someone elses mother the next week. Wasp spray will just piss them off. In many cases, you only have to flash the weapon. If you are relying on the police, good luck. They'll arrive after the damage is done. Buy and handgun, get some safety training. Nothing to be afraid of.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by guppy

 

LOL! The Jackie Chan school of Martial Arts. ANYTHING can be a weapon.

Whenever I am faced with any situation, or bump in the night, I run through all the potential weapons in my head. It could be a large glass picture on a wall, or a flowerpot with a pointy decoration, or car key, or a bottle of hairspray. Anything that provides a surprise, a distraction, and hopefully a lot of pain!

@ Camaro

I have 2 small kids a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and I still do exactly what you describe. I open my safe at night, and I put my shotgun next to my bed. The kids know to not touch the guns, and I am within arms reach of it. I lock up the shotgun first thing in the morning, and the .380 goes inside my belt and off to work I go!

The xenon light on the shotgun makes a very, very good flashlight by the way! The 500,000 candlepower, and the distinctive sound of a pump action shotgun makes a wonderful deterrent. If I hit that light in a dark room, it becomes daylight to me, and disorientingly bright to them. It doesn't matter if it is a bear or a burglar, they are going to freeze instantly, or turn tail and run!

I know the power of those flashlights! I do airsoft battles with police and swat personel in one of the largest indoor airsoft buildings in the US were they practice tactics. When im flushing out a building and i turn the corner and get hit with that light i cant see a dang thing. of cource i get shoot up because i cant see where the guy is but ill tell you those lights are powerful. i want to get one for my gun now i think about it.

sorry for spelling

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by guppy

 

LOL! The Jackie Chan school of Martial Arts. ANYTHING can be a weapon.

Whenever I am faced with any situation, or bump in the night, I run through all the potential weapons in my head. It could be a large glass picture on a wall, or a flowerpot with a pointy decoration, or car key, or a bottle of hairspray. Anything that provides a surprise, a distraction, and hopefully a lot of pain!

@ Camaro

I have 2 small kids a 4 year old and a 2 year old, and I still do exactly what you describe. I open my safe at night, and I put my shotgun next to my bed. The kids know to not touch the guns, and I am within arms reach of it. I lock up the shotgun first thing in the morning, and the .380 goes inside my belt and off to work I go!

The xenon light on the shotgun makes a very, very good flashlight by the way! The 500,000 candlepower, and the distinctive sound of a pump action shotgun makes a wonderful deterrent. If I hit that light in a dark room, it becomes daylight to me, and disorientingly bright to them. It doesn't matter if it is a bear or a burglar, they are going to freeze instantly, or turn tail and run!

Sir, please make sure you gun is locked. As I child I knew not to handle the accessible guns. Do you think that stopped me? I put a big hole in the wall by accident. Once we borrowed my friend's dad's Owen gun. Thank god it jammed.

OK so the wasp spray may not be the best idea,but if you do wish to go down that road,another item although a bit heavier(which is better)may do the trick.

I am talking mini/midi size fire extinguishers-dry powder being the best option IMO.

These can be placed around the home and car etc,with no police worries,these babies will put out regular,chemical,and electric fires with the added bonus of invader blinding if needed-plus they are solid,and can be used as a handheld basher if the evil ones get too close-but no one does with that powder in your eyes...

I had a bit blow back in my eyes when testing mini powder extinguisher and it was far from nice I could not see properly for 15 mins,had to keep water swilling.-a full on blast would be enough to disable most people for a short while IMO.

And its hard to get that powder out of your eyes,and one bit is enough to wreak your day.
It itches.

That would be my choice in terms of pressurised spray jobbies.