Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

From of the beginning of this thread to now, I don't think anyone has realized that the OP was a trick question. There are years of documentation where witnesses claim time and time again, that their evidence was confiscated, lost in the mail, their lives were threatened etc., etc., etc.

How can there be evidence left after years of confiscation, intimidation and the livelihood, lives or families being threatened of credible witnesses being documented for decades? How many others have never told their stories, produced their evidence or lived in fear because of the fear of being labeled a nutty-nut?

Point of the OP is moot. There is no absolute evidence. It's all been "disappeared."

reply to post by SunshineLaws


I think most people got it. This thread was just a good place for everyone to post their evidence to try to convince anyone else reading it. [SNIP]
I kind of like having all of this 'evidence' in one thread too by the way. One of these days I'll get through it!

I know, it just seems to me, that every forum I have visited has one of these "Drop and Give Me Proof!" threads. Then the pouring in of the innocents scrambling for evidence. The absence of evidence is the one thread we all have in common. It sows seeds of doubt in the casual observer looking for nothing but info-tainment as well as causing implosions and loss of membership in the pool of the disenfranchised that come to forums like this looking for answers.

That's just my two-cents worth. If you agree? Give a newbie a star why don't ya?

I fully agree with the OPs opinion, nothing on the internet is proof, the best "evidence" only satisfies the "unexplained" part of UFO. Proof is something that stands up to imperical scientific analysis.

This item, so far, appears to fit that bill:

www.starchildproject.com...

A deformed skull found in a cave in Mexico in 1930 with an "alien" appearance. DNA analysis has found that half the DNA is human, but the other half has no match with any other DNA found on this planet.

The skull has been run through a battery of tests with the same results. This is the only suggesed "alien" item/entity submitted to scientific analysis that so far has not been proven to be fake, and the only item remotely approcaching proof.

So I just registered here, after discovering this site/forum yesterday. Some great threads to read, however this one sort of stood out to me because it seems there has been a ton of troll feeding going on here.

I can't speak for anyone else, but of course *I* know that everything I have ever seen regarding ufo/aliens does not equal "proof". Do I believe in the stuff? Well I'm on the fence about it. Heck, if an alien woke me up tonight by licking my cheek, that would still not be "proof" by this guy's definition, even to me! Could have been a dream, etc etc and so on.

Basically what I'm getting at here is, who are you to go on post after post declaring "That's not proof!" Way to be a Negative Nancy to all the believers here. ;-P

Furthermore, it's alarming the number of posts by members here who are actually trying to offer this fellow the "proof" that he demands of you.

Y'know the saying, don't feed the trolls? Came to mind when I found this thread... They must be quite full by now eh? ;-P

reply to post by eennoo


Mate, to continue with this kind of logic, you will find that there is no solid proof of anything. Prove to me the Earth is actually round. Prove it. Don't show me YouTube clips, don't show me NASA website showing that it is. That can all be hoaxed. Show me proof, solid proof. I bet you can't.

In other words, nothing can be proven because the medium of proof could be hoaxed itself, as could the fabric of that medium. The best anyone can do is accumulate the potential evidence and then weigh out the probability of something being true. This is how almost every legal system works.

The reason so many people believe we have been visited usually comes down to several things...
1. Mathematically, it is almost a certainty that ET life exists
2. With even our limited knowledge, we have already conceived a number of ways to exceed the speed of light
3. If 1 and 2 is correct, it is extremely likely we have been visited
4. On top of that, vehicles have been seen that do not seem to be of terrestrial origin
5. There are photos, videos, eye-witness accounts, and ex-government whistle-blowers saying they've seen extra-terrestrial beings, as well as having linked them to the craft that do not seem to be of terrestrial origin

With this, it is reasonable to say that it is LIKELY that we have been visited by ETs. There is no such thing as 100% proof of anything so don't bother asking for it. You can, however, provide clues to suggest as to whether it something is highly likely or unlikely to be true.

As for evidence, we can provide plenty, but that is all. On the same token, we can only provide evidence to you that the Earth is in fact round, but we cannot prove it.

Remember, mathematically we should be being visited. There also happens to be photos and videos of it happening. There also happens to be confirmations that it is happening from very reputable people. Smart believers are simply adding it all up.

I read up to page 4 and i got tired of this
lets give up because if he wont believe people who are credible (any one in military and or with higher security clearance, retired military members and even people who were in the events themselves) then he certainly wont believe a random person posting on a website

let me just say if some one on here can give u solid proof that they do exist and they are from another planet then trust me they wouldn't be on ats, they would be trying to get the info out into the world as hard as they can and as hard as it may be for them ( oh wait never mind thousands of people are already doing that)

but when these story's do come out from people and more evidence is brought up then you'll still keep denying it. If you have to wait for some one on tv or some one else to give you proof till you accept it then congratulations your part of the BIG PLAN that the gov has. I'm pretty sure if they reported on the news that humans no longer need oxygen 20% of the population will attempt to hold their breath


why do humans think were so special anyways, mankind will not believe anything can be done until we ourselves accomplish the feat
logically its pretty dumb.(If we cant do it no one can :flame

The reason why demanding irrefutable proof holds merit is because it isn't possible to prove a negative. It is a logical fallacy.

If I say I have an invisible faerie in my back yard, how could anyone prove me wrong? It's invisible, so you can't take pictures. In fact, because it is a faerie and nobody has ever verified their existence in order to quantify what faeries can and cannot do, I can give it whatever lame power or ability I want. I could even say it could stop existing and re-appear based on whether or not it wants to be found by people.

Can you see how similar this sounds in regard to the idea of ETs zipping around in technologically superior spaceships? Or the stories of abductees? The people telling the stories can make up whatever they want, and we'd honestly have no way of possibly disproving them. It's the perfect hydra of ignorance - lop one head off, and another one just pops up in its place.

This is why the burden of proof ALWAYS rests on the side making the most incredible or supernatural claim. And this is also why third-person anecdotes, stories and "confessions" are the worst possible substitutions for evidence. The truth is, they aren't even evidence to begin with.

The court of science isn't anything like the court of law. It demands one-hundred percent, verifiable proof. So far, there isn't any.

Are UFOs real? Obviously, they are.
Are they piloted by space-faring alien races? Nope. No proof of it so far.
Are there other intelligent species of life throughout the universe? Most likely, but no proof of that either unfortunately.

I guess this is why folks are labeled as "believers" and not "knowers."

Originally posted by Adept_Zero
The reason why demanding irrefutable proof holds merit is because it isn't possible to prove a negative. It is a logical fallacy.

If I say I have an invisible faerie in my back yard, how could anyone prove me wrong? It's invisible, so you can't take pictures. In fact, because it is a faerie and nobody has ever verified their existence in order to quantify what faeries can and cannot do, I can give it whatever lame power or ability I want. I could even say it could stop existing and re-appear based on whether or not it wants to be found by people.

Can you see how similar this sounds in regard to the idea of ETs zipping around in technologically superior spaceships? Or the stories of abductees? The people telling the stories can make up whatever they want, and we'd honestly have no way of possibly disproving them. It's the perfect hydra of ignorance - lop one head off, and another one just pops up in its place.

This is why the burden of proof ALWAYS rests on the side making the most incredible or supernatural claim. And this is also why third-person anecdotes, stories and "confessions" are the worst possible substitutions for evidence. The truth is, they aren't even evidence to begin with.

The court of science isn't anything like the court of law. It demands one-hundred percent, verifiable proof. So far, there isn't any.

Are UFOs real? Obviously, they are.
Are they piloted by space-faring alien races? Nope. No proof of it so far.
Are there other intelligent species of life throughout the universe? Most likely, but no proof of that either unfortunately.

I guess this is why folks are labeled as "believers" and not "knowers."

yay your post is for the win!! lol
but yeah i still agree
geez idk i agree with everyone =D

It's a bit of a downer that sites like ATS and Wikileaks and countless others have failed to provide stunning, naked proof that visitation has indeed happened. Proof beyond reproach. However, what makes this site fun is the drive by the sheer numbers of believers, skeptics and non-believers to chip away at the issue by dissecting any and every possibility, no matter what. There are so many people on this site who are quite well educated and learned in areas of study ranging from the mundane to the arguably bizarre. There is a commonality that binds us, I believe. It is much like searching for the cure for an "incurable" disease or anything that moves us to bring about an understanding about that which is such a mystery.

There are a great many mysteries that have yet to be understood, and even more that have been uncovered, whether paranormal or not.

If we don't debate it here, then what would happen? Maybe, just maybe the stunning, naked proof would go unrecognized, undocumented, unsung.

I, for one, visit this site in the HOPES that someone has stumbled across (or whistleblows) something so extraordinary, so life changing that it forever turns conventional understanding on its head. Granted, if such a thing were to happen, it would doubtless stay confined to just this forum.

One day, perhaps. That's why we keep looking. That's why we insist on asking the tough questions. I'd say, good on the OP for posing the tough question. Good on those who perpetuate the everlasting question of "are we alone?"

Well...are we?

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For as far as that goes, I am looking for proof that a million dollars exists too. I have never seen a million dollars, and have never seen a photo of a million dollars, so where is the proof that it exists? May people are looking for God too, and many people believe in god, yet, there is not a shred of proof that God exists. You will have your proof soon enough, friend, wait for it. and stop bellyaching about it.

It seems to me that proof all comes down to the individual. Some people need a government to tell them ETs exist "disclosure"? others need a sighting or personal experience. Whatever, only problem is which catagory do you fit into, then go get it for yourself and only yourself, because thats all that really matters. when each one of us gets there then we can change the world perception or maybe thats already happening. They the ets are doing a good job arent they. I myself am a contactee i have photos and dozens of witnesses to ufo sightings, with photos, and literally ETs but im not goona post any of that because whats the point i dont need to hear it. No matter what anyone out there gets for proof. EX: Jesus alien god thing could come down, lift up New York city for ten days and still everyone will have a problem with it. next day we all go to the mall while the government creates its cover story, and the pope declaires hell baptize the aliens lol, endless fun! So i got to the point, the coffees good! sit back and watch the show. PS the bigger the ego you have the longer your stay in the mental ward when the ETs come knocking. How many poeple do you no that are in there for that very reason. LOL. Lifes little curve ball!

Originally posted by Maarhuis
It seems to me that proof all comes down to the individual.

No, unfortunately it isn't as friendly as that. There's only one truth.

Trying to keep everyone happy by saying "we're ALL right!" doesn't work in this case, because either intelligent aliens are visiting Earth or they are not.

I find it pretty humorous that this topic is still going.

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people with pics of ufos and videos dont ALL belong to this site...........you fool

No one can't deny the Battle of L.A story that happened in 1942.

How about Harry Trueman, when asked by a reporter if the meeting he was in they discussed "Fling saucers" he said "not this time, though we offten discuss it" The mayor of Arizona seing the "arizona lights" the ex director of the FAA, Pilots, police , Lawyers, all kinds of credable people. If UFO's were not real then why would there be a chapter on them in the first responders handbook published by the GPO and given to all the fire cheifs
READ THIS www.hiddenmysteries.net...
HERE is a better link http://j_kidd.tripod.com/b/190.html
OldDragger if you were around in 1492 you would probably be down at the port yelling at Christopher Columbus that he was going to sail off the edge of the earth

Perhaps someone with more knowledge could post the pics I am referring to. It is a photo series taken by people on a boat (fisherman) off the coast of South America in the late 50's or early 60's, San something or other. As far as I remember, the original negative was sent for analysis and they determined no alteration of it. It's not the greatest photo but it has never been debunked either.

The series "I know what I saw" on the History or Discovery Channel had tons of very credible people on it. The thing was none of the people ever seemed to be making money on their claims, like some on the UFO circuit. The one that I remembered the most was a incident taken place on the Illinois / Missouri border by multiple people, policeman and police departments. Too many credible witnesses and up close descriptions to dismiss.

Your right,the internets just full of completely fake b.s.,that's why i just love the moment i find authentic evidence.
Im telling you right now,I have found government documents authenticating the existence of aliens.
Now i'm also going to tell you,noone in their right mind would tell you the gov. branch or the evidence,that would just lead to head hunters coming in your direction.

But,yea sir. If your willing to take a strangers word for it. I HAVE FOUND SECRET DOCUMENTS,FROM ONE OF THE HIGHEST BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT,TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE ONLY OFFICIAL ALIEN ENCOUNTERS.

AND IM TALKING YOU CAN COUNT THOSE ENCOUNTERS ON ONE HAND.

Are you Assange?

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