Another 3-D crop circle, July 10, 2010

reply to post by Neo__

Wow, that's beautiful.

I'm still on the fence as to the creators of these designs. But I haven't studied the subject much. I have seen UFOs but like the circles, I don't know if UFOs are man made or extra-terrestrial - I'm leaning toward extra-terrestrial.

Either way, it's beautiful art.

reply to post by pikypiky




I had that SAME SET!! The one in the picture. (Guess I was a spoiled, only child...huh?)

Ummm....perhaps eBay?? To satisfy a childhood craving, as a an adult today??

(SO MANY things should have kept....if only we could predict....)

POINT is....unless people who read these threads have had some experience with such toys, then the "incredible" so-called 'crop-circles' must seem amazing.....and they cannot understand how basic and simple they are, to be created by Humans, using some basic geometric principles.....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Neo__

 

Once again....EVERY "crop circle" is in a field that has furrows already made, for easy access in/out by the HUMANS who tromp in to make these things!!!

Why do people notice this obviousness??

So we meet again. Virtually every field crop has furrows in it to allow for easy access in and out by human farmers.

This fact says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about who or what built the crop circle and is minutia. I'm on to your style of rhetoric.

I think the worst thing about this so-called "phenomenon" is that so many people are more than willing to sell humans short.

"There's no way people could do that..."

"Look at the symmetry! The perfection! Couldn't be done at night, no way."

"Are you suggesting that a couple drunks made a perfect geometrical design in a field, stumbling home from the pub in the middle of the night? You're insane!"

That kind of logic really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Shameful. However, I totally understand the people who instead say "Look at the evidence! Magnetic anomalies, exploded nodes, rare-earth residue... are you suggesting humans did THAT?"

The thing is, almost every claim of such things can be traced back to the Bacon Lettuce Tomato Research Team. They are infamous for producing bad science. Every claim they put forth can be, and has been, debunked by real scientists. One of the staples of good science - the ability to have independent scientists reproduce your results - is the downfall of BLT. Instead of corroborating their claims, independent studies have consistently refuted them.

The only thing that's left is that one video of a ball of light making a crop circle. But it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. From what I remember, the supposed "ball" in the video never changes apparent size even though its distance from the camera changes greatly.

That leaves, well, wishful thinking. But come on now.... the UFO phenomenon goes back to cave art 40,000 years ago. The abduction phenomenon goes back as far as the very oldest oral traditions of indigenous cultures. The crop circle phenomenon goes back to the early 70s. Why do you think that they've steadily grown in complexity over the years, and at the same time spreading outwards from England, to the point where we're just now seeing 3D circles? Surely aliens could have made these shnazzy designs back in the 70s?

Look on the bright side - crop circles are some of the greatest and most innovative artwork that humans have created in the past 40 years. It's really beautiful stuff.


[edit on 11-7-2010 by Son of Will]

reply to post by weedwhacker


If you believe these crop circles are all made by Humans then you should check out this site, The geometry of these formations are so complex that most "Humans" cannot even figure out how they are made in the first place. maybe you won't be such a sceptic anymore if you think about all the other things around you that you also don't understand how they are made. I hope the link works.
www.temporarytemples.co.uk...

reply to post by Neo__


3D movies hit the big time and crop circles are suddenly more commonly 3D.

Bored farmers are a laugh huh.

reply to post by FutureThinker


What evidence do you have for that statement? Because looking at those and knowing how crop circles are made by guys with wooden bored and string i can see exactly how they can be done.

Looks like a publicity stunt for ZUNE. lol

However nice crops circle.. well its not really a circle is it?

reply to post by weedwhacker


i don't understand, people say it's simple it's man made...i think for me there is people who can travel with spaceship and using more advanced technologies and also make things very simple... why not?

I'll believe in this.

IF you tell me why aliens come here to write stuff in fields. Are we the local graffiti wall?

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

The cause of bended nodes are ambiguous at best... besides, those pictures aren't even from this particular crop 'circle' which essentially renders your rebuttal null and void.

Finally, because we disagree with the ASSUMPTION that the circle was made by aliens, it does not make us trolls. All that tells me is that you have little to NO evidence to counter my claim.

IRM

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It might not be from this particular crop circle but is related to subject as a whole. So it's more than valid and should be part of the topic at hand.

But since it's a physical evidence that you don't know what do with it and makes your life more difficult I guess it's simply easier for you to dismiss it as ambiguous.

Don't feel bad though, you're not the only one that does that. Science in general tends to do the very same thing.

Anyways... since you're so grounded and all knowing, please enlighten me on how those bended nodes -- that certainly can't be made with the use of plank -- are only found exactly where the crop was bent to form the designs?

I won't even ask you to explain me why radiation and magnetic field anomalies are found in certain crop fields because I don't want to take too much of precious time.

I spent a lot of time in the south west of England, an iv met the so called circle makers, im an Artist and i said to them how could you who coulden draw a strait line on paper make such Artistic impressions in the dark in less than an our, all i got was a smile! by the way there just farmers kids with no Artistic training, here is a mixture of crappy Man made an beautiful ET circles,,,,,

www.disclose.tv...

I wondering if this type of phenomena could in fact happen due to so much chinese lanterns & missiles falling in the skyes this days!... ... ...
Maybe a huge concentration of chinese lanters landing in the ground can do that! who knows!... ...

For real, it's a amazing design indeed! Beatifull!

Hello

Originally posted by Son of Will
The thing is, almost every claim of such things can be traced back to the Bacon Lettuce Tomato Research Team. They are infamous for producing bad science. Every claim they put forth can be, and has been, debunked by real scientists.

I am not a scientist so I can't assess the quality of their work. But I would be very interested in seeing peer-reviewed papers from 'real scientists' which address claims by BLT. Do you have links to any papers like that? Published papers from independent studies? Thanks in advance.

The crop circle phenomenon goes back to the early 70s

You might be interested in this:

www.forteantimes.com...

Originally posted by queenannie38
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

just like it is blatantly obvious you know nothing about farming.

why comment the same general comment you've commented before? why not just abstain from saying anything at all if you've expressed your skepticism before?? it is kind of like atheists who go to every god thread to say god isn't real. what's the point? who are you trying to convince?

us or yourself?



thank you for your opinion.

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my opinion is
that crop circle is amazing, OP!
thanks.

i like those kinds of pictures whether on paper or on a field~

Owned imo. Queenannie +1


As for the crop circle, it looks incredible! Man made or not, the skill involved is insane.

Okay, here is the deal. I am telling this from first-hand experience. There are computers on combines, tractors, bulldozers, etc. that will allow you to program them to move and thus design any particular pattern one would or could dream up. No need for boards or walking around in a pasture late at night with flashlights, etc. Though some hoaxes have been done that way in the past, with modern technology this could be done with only the effort of deciding which pattern you wanted (think of the new 26,000 sewing machines which basically are computers that sew...same thing with farm equipment capable of making "crop circles."

Having said that, I have a few more comments. First of all, having lived on a farm and believing that I know the mindset of many if not all farmers, I do not believe that the majority of farmers have the energy at the end of their work day nor the mind set to get up before the crack of dawn and take out their trusty farm equipment, go over to the fields that they plant and drive around making crop circles. I dare say most of the farmers work their arse off and sleep very soundly at night. Is it possible someone plays a prank on them? Yeah, maybe.

Having studied various internet sites on crop circles, googled crop circle creator, google vidos on crop circles, etc. I personally believe one of two things is happening. I believe that there is some type of earth resonance or sound resonance that is occurring which creates these interesting pixel patterns. In other words, some type of sound or energy wave that is interacting with the crop.

Now, if one really gets into the history, etc. of crop circles, there are supposedly cases where there are designs given that have actually been used as blueprints. I find this idea intriguing. This would mean that crop circles are being used as a conduit for message exchange from extra terrestial life. My mind is not too small to grasp and contemplate that idea.

When I look at crop circles, it feels like I am looking at symbols from a different language -- like Chinese or something -- it is as if there is an intelligent design there -- I just don't quite speak that langauge.

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

known about this for dayyys, i live next to the thing

This above is an image of a very intricate crop circle.

There is loads out there just like this one.
For debunkers, explain to me:

1) How they would pull something so detailed off in the darkness of night

2) How they pull it off before the farmer notices the 20 odd people it would probably take to pull something off like this

3) How they get the image so even, seeing as they can't see an aerial view of what they're doing. if it was humans, I don't think they'd be so perfect... Just saying

Originally posted by thomas_

Anyways... since you're so grounded and all knowing, please enlighten me on how those bended nodes -- that certainly can't be made with the use of plank -- are only found exactly where the crop was bent to form the designs?

No... You appear to be all knowing! You're suggesting to me that there's a non terrestrial cause. So.. given your claim is extraordinary, thus requiring extraordinary evidence, the onus is on you.

You tell me the method by which aliens bend the nodes! No guesses.. tell me exactly how! If you don't know how they do it, then you can't claim they do.

You must:

A) Understand the entire process (biological or otherwise).
B) Know how only aliens can be connected to the process.
C) Explain why it cannot be a natural process.
D) Explain why it cannot be achieved by humans.
E) Prove the deformity has only ever been witnessed in crop circles.

Can you satisfy this criteria?

IRM

Originally posted by Student X
Hello

Originally posted by Son of Will
The thing is, almost every claim of such things can be traced back to the Bacon Lettuce Tomato Research Team. They are infamous for producing bad science. Every claim they put forth can be, and has been, debunked by real scientists.

I am not a scientist so I can't assess the quality of their work. But I would be very interested in seeing peer-reviewed papers from 'real scientists' which address claims by BLT. Do you have links to any papers like that? Published papers from independent studies? Thanks in advance.

The crop circle phenomenon goes back to the early 70s

You might be interested in this:

www.forteantimes.com...

Did you really read that link? Not ONE of the reported incidents is even remotely similar to a modern crop circle. Those are stories of witches dancing in circles, cattle trodding in circles, red and green-colored patches, things like that. At least one of them happens at night, but the entire field is cut down in that one.

The featured event is very cool sounding. Sounds like a genuine UFO sighting. But again, it's not a crop circle! The farmer had five acres of corn, and a burning cloud came over and turned the entire field into stone-like material.

I'm near certain that we've got company on this planet but crop circles are just us. This thing started in the 70s.


Check out this video of a team from the Netherlands. They show quite a bit of how a complex circle is made. It's not in English but the reporter is extremely attractive =)

[edit on 11-7-2010 by Son of Will]